Rock the vote, or at least smoke the vote rock.

And on a final note, I am not a democrat or a republican or any party(there really is not much of a difference between any of them) which allows me to not be blinded by any "team". I just see what the rest of the world is seeing. They are laughing at us, and for good reason. Or are you going to tell me that everyone else on this planet is wrong?? My money is defintly not on the 51% of this country that voted Bush.I just don't get how people like you can deny that 90% of the population of this planet(including the USA) KNOWS better, knows that Bush and co. are a horrible group of people looking out for their best interests, not yours, not mine and definitly not the rest of the planets. 'Sick Em' you are obvioulsy a very book smart person, no one is denying that...so how on earth can you be so blind to the truth?? My email is listed on my profile if you want to have a civilized discussion on the subject. But I doubt you do.

 

I couldn't be bothered reading Emetic's long corporate asslicking post. Here's some info your 'fair and balanced' mainstream news 'surprisingly' doesn't seem to have picked up on...

Vote Fraud 2004 Round Up
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:27 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Stolen Election?
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:23 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Turns out one County in Ohio, equipped with Diebold electronic voting machines, reported NEGATIVE 25,000 votes.

Machine Error Gives Bush Thousands of Extra Ohio Votes
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:22 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:16 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Voting Group Finds Irregularities In Southern States
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:16 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

BBV: Our position is that fraud took place.
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:15 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Voting irregularities found in 7 Southern States
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:06 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Stolen Election 2004
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:00 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
In Election 2000, the Bush regime stole the election and got away with it. Now, in Election 2004, there is new evidence that Bush and the Republicans have stolen the 2004 election by electronic voting fraud in states with E-Voting without paper trails, scrubbing the voter rolls of Democratic voters, and destruction of paper ballots in heavily Democratic areas.

NOBODY ALLOWED TO WITNESS OHIO VOTE TALLY
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:59 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns.

CBS Shows Tie In TEXAS...Bush wins by 31 points???
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:00 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Outrage in Ohio: Angry residents storm State House in response to massive voter suppression and corruption
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:58 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
This is not going to go away, people.

Election problems due to a software glitch
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:51 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Computer Glitch Gives Bush 3,893 Extra Votes
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:22 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Error Will Not Change Election Outcome
Here we see the evolution of the spin from the stolen election. On Wednesday the news was full of puff pieces about how wonderful the electronic voting machines worked. Then, as more and more hard facts emerged the spin changed to how only sore losers dared suggest there were problems with the electronic voting systems. Now, as even more problems surface, the spin changes again to drudgingly admitting that there were indeed problems, but really, they were minor, and no one error would really affect the outcome.
Except that we are not talking about just one or two "errors" but hundreds that we know about, implying thousands more that we do not, and a clear statistical indication in the actuals versus exit polls which shows a clear skewing of the vote towards Bush in those states using paperless/audit less electronic voting machines.

The bottom line is that the errors do not need to demonstrably change the outcome. The errors already discredit the entire election.

Broward machines count backward
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:08 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Bad numbers showed up only in running tallies through the day, not the final one. Final tallies were reached by cross-checking machine totals, and officials are confident they are accurate.
How? There is no audit trail on those machines. Those officials have absolutely no way to demonstrate that the final tallies are at all accurate.

Computer Loses More Than 4,000 Early Votes
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:56 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
If a precinct looks to go towards your opponent, just make sure they get the smaller memory cards!

Software flaw found in Florida vote machines
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:54 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone ... down.

A Full Investigation is Required
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:42 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Because neither the polls nor the demographics appear to statistically explain the 8 million vote (16%) surge for Mr. Bush in this election, the 2004 Presidential race can not be declared final, free or fair without such studies.

Should America Trust the Results of the Election?
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:21 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this election just yet.
Note the link between "fraud" and "tin foil hat". Well, it won't work. FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!

[image]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_exit_poll.jpg[/image]
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:01 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The evidence is clear. In states with paper ballots and audit trails, the exit polls did indeed predict the results. In states using electronic voting machines, the results from the voting machines were skewed towards Bush.

In one precinct, Bush’s tally was supersized by a computer glitch
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:48 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A computer error involving one voting-machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.
"It was a glitch. Really. Just a glitch. That's all it was. Honest. Really. A glitch. Honest."

The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:46 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Vote Fraud in Ohio?
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:12 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Now that the data is beginning to trickle in from the November 2nd election, many across the nation are raising an eyebrow to results that do not seem to mesh with reality.

Did Kerry Concede Too Soon?
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:07 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Why did a voting machine in Republican Gahanna, Ohio report 4,258 votes for George W. Bush when only 638 people cast votes at the New Life Church polling site?

Maryland e-voting controversy continues in presidential race
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:05 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A voter advocacy group monitoring the use of electronic voting machines in Maryland reports a number of software glitches occurred during yesterday’s presidential election, but state election officials said the allegations were baseless.
The burden of proof is on the government that claims authority from an election to prove the election was honest and fair. Absent such proof, We The People are not obligated to obey that government's dictates or to pay their bills, let alone to die in their wars.

Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong?
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:55 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The hot story in the blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all – it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

HOW A PRIVATE COMPANY COUNTS OUR VOTES ON ELECTION NIGHT
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:53 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

They are stealing Minnesota
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:50 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Glitches Mar San Francisco Balloting
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:45 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

AN ELECTION MOST FOUL
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:40 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
While televised chatterers debate whether Kerry carried enough angels on his lapel pin, serious questions about the integrity of the 2004 presidential election are, for the moment at least, being ignored.

The stolen election of 2004: welcome back to hell
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:34 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Using a variety of criminal methods that they have perfected over the past four years, the George W. Bush-Dick Cheney-Karl Rove syndicate stole another election, and extended their illegal occupation of the White House. Experienced, informed and unblinking observers were not fooled by any aspect of this utterly predictable goose-step towards full dictatorship.

Too many voting ’irregularities’ to be coincidence
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:31 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Right now there is no hard proof, but the circumstantial evidence is a mile high. Looking at all of these ’irregularities’ it’s hard to imagine how one could conclude that this election was clean.
On the contrary, I consider the clear bias towards Bush in those states using electronic voting to be sufficient proof to discredit the election.

Important Notice to Readers of the SenderBerl Website
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:29 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
SenderBerl is going to give you an important and grave responsibility. We are going to beg you to contact every Senator, Congressmen (in the hope that some honest ones remain), every newspaper, every Internet site, and anyone else you deem relevant to tell them how to prove the election fraud.

WRH: A STOLEN NATION
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:09 AM PST
Category: CURRENT EVENTS
It's only three days since the election and already evidence of vote fraud is coming in faster than anyone can keep track of.

America is screwed: Election stolen again
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:04 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
"Diebold: We GAURENTEE the results!"

election analysis, numbers suggest vote fraud
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:00 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

More election theft stories
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:46 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

KERRY WON- EXIT POLLS WERE RIGHT- AND NOW DEMOCRACY IS EXITING OUR COUNTRY
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:32 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Democrats want election machine firm thrown out
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:30 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
I'm a Republican, and I want those machines out, too. And I am making a point of saying this because this story is yet again a very clever piece of propaganda to sell the idea that only the Democrats are claiming there was vote fraud.

4 accused of voting two times in Palm Beach County: South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:19 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The mainstream media are clearly worried about the vote fraud issue. While this appears to be a story that opposes vote fraud, in reality this is another clever propaganda piece in that it implies the scale of vote fraud was relatively minor, only 4 votes after all! Too many people have complained for the mainstream media to go on pretending there was not a problem, so expect a barrage of stories dismissing the problems as "accidents" and insisting that the total amount of vote fraud could in no way have changed the outcome of the election. But with no audit trails on the electronic voting machines, how can they know, let alone prove that assumption?


N.C. Computer Loses More Than 4,500 Votes


Grand Theft Election
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:47 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD


Sour Grapes, Or Electoral Fraud?
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:35 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
If you believe that George Bush won last nights election "fair and square" then forget about reading this article. If you know however that tens of thousands of people who lined up for up to four hours at a time in Ohio and Florida to have their vote counted, were not standing there to endorse the aggression and suicidal policies of the current administration then read on.

Election Was Rigged and Stolen Where is the Outrage? When Will the Biggest Demonstrations in US History Happen?
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:24 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

VOTERGATE - THE WEBSITE
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:19 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
[font color=white size=2]This is the official web site foir the documentary film "Votergate". This is a documentary you need to watch. It is every bit as important as "Fahrenheit 9-11".[/font]

FRAUD!! in Ghanna Ohio.
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:19 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
More "irregularities" surface. More votes were cast than there were registered voters.

Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:13 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Within parts of the U.S. progressive community there is already widespread concern that electronic voting fraud may provide an explanation for the astonishing 8 million vote gain made by George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential U.S. election.


CITIZENS FOR LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT (www.legitgov.org) Launches Investigation Into Discrepancies of 2004 'Election'
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:07 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

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Thank you Nursey.

 

My pleasure, Schmed.

 

Out of curiosity, what would be my selective reading at the implied worst?

You bet your ass you feel anger - a lot of it. It comes thru quite clearly in just about every post in this thread. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't bullshit us by trying to play it off with a condescending sneer.

 

I ran out of anger a few days ago, now I'm just exhausted and disheartend. And if you are going to quote me , do it right and not bit's and pieces put together to make me sound how you want to. A little trick you learned from the fox network I'm sure..and that is part of what I mean by "selective reading". I have to go now and enjoy the weather here, it's not productive talking to a brick wall after all . Though I am curious on your thoughts about how most of the planet percieves this situation...be back later to talk some more..over and out.

 

In quoting you, I just cut the extraneous for brevity. I don't think I changed the context, tone or meaning in doing so.

I don't watch Fox News, believe it or not. And I've voted both sides of the fence.

I don't know this Nursey poster, nor why she thinks I'm some other person (my avatar...emetic... yeah, I see that connection, but...), and especially not how she can arrive at "corporate asslicking" from what I've said here. I started off generally addressing strategy and style more than ideology and persons (can't help some references to the latter). Rather intriguing bunch of links she dropped (and MY post was long??). Will check some out when I get around to extended leisure reading . Am aware that concerns and issues over e-voting have existed for some time prior to the election. If it turns out there's anything to it, there'll definitely be some shit.

As for what 90% of the rest of the world thinks, and possibilities for further civilized discussion, etc - the cards are already dealt. Until and unless a misdeal is called, all bets are still on & there really only remains to see how they play out from here.

 

"I don't know this Nursey poster, nor why she thinks I'm some other person (my avatar...emetic... yeah, I see that connection, but...)" [/]

Well, that would be telling! And 'she'? I'm a guy.

"and especially not how she can arrive at "corporate asslicking" from what I've said here."

Well, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i skimmed, the jist of your post is pretty much that the obscenely rich, with their disproportionately miniscule tax contributions are supporting your country...not draining it. And that the poorest people are all happy to live like that...
So who is it that goes to the frontlines to die for Halliburton again, and why?

 

i am well aware of the voting "glitches" i live in FL and have been voting here for 5 years. other than being educated about it, what can i actually do about it? riot? write letters to my congressmen who won due to the voting glitches? i mean what the fuck? like i said somewhere else- i could be living a much worse lifestyle somewhere else. unless i were to devote all my time to politics i cant accomplish a fucking thing. and for the most part, i like it here. how this mess actually impacts my day to day living is not very big. so far....

 

American Sunset

 

General Schm...errr...Smedley Butler: WAR IS A RACKET

 

ok get this shit, considering the situation we are in i would rather have some one with war experience then some rich dick who fucked around in the faturnity that does the most parteing in a school a select few could ever afford to go to. im not dem or repub i choose whom i think would be best and i lost my confidence in this fuck nut who cant ride a gyroscopicaly balanced scooter. much less a bike. what gives me confindence that he can run a country much less whipe his ass with out the assistance of hoards of aids? last time i checked those who own their own buisiness can claim practiacally what ever they want as tax write off. how do i know? cause my pops works for one like that, wrote off his porche as a company expence. its obviously not a company car, how many client can you pick up with a 2 seater? as for tax break the rich have it alot easier than they used to and i doubt that they pay 35% of the taxes while the companies they run pay only 18%, and the lower 50% pay 5%, sounds about as right as the vote numbers in Ohio. companies are busy paying minimum wage to low income families in slum, with a family of 4 ( 2 kids 2 adults) both making an income they would need atleast an income of about 60k to pay for housing and the needs such as food transportion health care ect, and thats just making it. at an average of 2040 total hours a year with one week off at say 7 dollars an hour a person will make a gross income of $14280. so how many of those jobs do you need to just make it? then my reason of askin about the over time rules was to see where the adjustments were. then some place wont even offer 40 hours a week just cause they dont wanna pay benifits. leading into health care, who can honestly not complain about the prices of medication. we pay the most for fuckin pills. my grandmother pays a shit load for fuckin pills, over a $100 for a set of 30 pills. and thats just one medication, she has about 4 just like that then a couple less than $100. with an income from SS of 1000 a month thats pretty steep. it seem that those companies that the upper class are running sure do like the cut them legs from fuckin under you.
considering the quandery we are in its relevent to have some one to have war experience, especial in a place where we are not wanted nore really needed. as for the dole shit, i wanst old enough to vote or care.
bush alowed the companies to outsource.
i know what i wished for and it would be selective in its self, many of these rich bastards have never worn anything less than armani. ive been poor i know what its like. these fucks have never tasted such shit. busy blowing cash like it was candy on halloween.
poverty is about money cause if it wasnt no one would complain about getting minimum wage and no health coverage. it isnt about what kind of car or what if you have cable its covering expences. being poor is having a 1/3 or more of you income go just to housing. almost every wage is non adjusting so as the economy has its ups and downs so does a persons ability to afford basics. they dont have much disposable income at all to spend they scavange to save what they can. there is no solution to poverty other than unloading shit load of cash. but even that is a dumb idea.

 

Hey Doc, did you vote for Clinton? Well, if I remember correctly the draft dodger fell down some stairs at a friends house. I find that more pathetic than a guy falling off a scooter, that with a dead battery will fall over.

 

even more so that falling off a bike? oh wait they prolly took off the training wheels for a photo op to no avail. plus i wasnt old enough to vote for clinton. bush and his staff blame the failing economy on clinton saying its his fualt and blah, but bush had the oportunity to change that but he didnt. its not like he help texas at all, we had property taxes out the ass, vehical registration taxes much higher than most, not to mention property insurance.

 

That statement doesn't reflect too well on your moral integrity, Rat. Who in their right mind would trust you now!?

 

Well, pardon my assumption based on your nick.

The gist of my post on that subject by way of example was, as I said before, criticism of the style and strategy on the part of the Dems' campaign rhetoric in general as evidenced by that topic specifically.

How do you describe the 35% - over one-third - of the total individual (not corporate) taxes collected from only 1% of the population as 'miniscule'?

If you're headed in the general direction of "the rich don't deserve what they've got" by way of "they still have so much more left over even after taxes than John & Jane Salesclerk", I don't care to argue that philosophical point any more than how many angels populate a given pinhead. If you believe that the rich - "obsenely" or otherwise - still owe more than they're already paying, that begs the question: how much more? How much is enough? Just how high can you jack the top brackets before diminishing returns kicks in? When the rates paid by the country's top earners are so high that it they move out & become tax exiles - as the Rolling Stones did in the early 70s in response to England's 90% rate?

I'm not defending the current progressive U.S. tax code. Neither am I a Flat-Tax booster a la Steve Forbes. The sources I've read on that option convince me that you and I (assuming we're somewhere in the middle-income range) wouldn't breeze by with a simple, low 15% or 17% rate as promised. Without drastically cutting the budget and expenditures, our effective rate would end up a lot higher than that - likely even more than we pay now.

I described the way individual tax collections break down right now in mathematical fact, contrasted to the common assumption or imagination.

That's as clear as I can make it.

 

I think the point a lot of people are missing is the difference between right and wrong. Fuck money, I mean that part of the whole thing is fusterating and It sickens me to see people do all the things they do to stay rich or get richer, but that isn't the point really. War is wrong period. People are being killed, real people. And I am sick to death of fucking Americans talking the way a lot of them do about war.."Fucking towelheads kill them all" etc etc.Well over 10,000 innocent people in Iraq alone have been killed due to Daisy Cutters (the most powerful non-nuclear bombs at the US's disposal) after 9/11. And guess what, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. Killing people is wrong and that just dosn't seem to sink in with people. It's this self centered "we are better than you" crap that Americans constantly spew forth that just makes me want to vomit (and not in the way I vomit when Nursey talks to me). Get it thru your thick skulls, what USA is doing is not just shitty it is plain evil. Get your fucking moral compasses realigned. People are dying, for nothing, people with children, fuck children are dying. It's really simple, good people don't do what the US is doing....

 

And let me add that it is nice to have some intelligent (if not a bit heated) conversation going on in here and I would like to thank overyone for the input. It's nice to hear different sides of the story and I do try to wrap my head around all of it and to take in others opinions. It's just hard to see some peoples point of view sometimes.

 

eather way it goes we cant just justify a war cause we think they have WMDs, it wasnt even proven and we still went. not to mention the other country that we know has WMDs and know the ppl are suffering far more than Iraq. NKorea it in the shit hole big time. if we should have went to war for anything it should have been to them. i get tired of hearing the same shit schmed said "fuck them towlheads" well them towlheads say the same thing, cept you dont see them walkin up and down your street with M4s and M16s patrolling your niehgbor hood for possible out breaks and incarnations of "terrorism". i remember reading about a tank driver who ran over some guys taxi cause he was stilling shit from a palace. consiquently it was his only job and way of income. you cant just have us running about in a land that we have no need or want to be in dishing out indisriminent justice against any and every one. the clostest things that have found to WMDs in Iraq was a bunch of old MiG-25s that couldnt run if you wanted it too.

 

Kerry's not a rich dick, too? Yale is neither cheap nor non-exclusive. Besides their Beacon Hill crib, he and Tuh-raaay-za also have a pretty impressive collection of properties around the country and world. If I recall correctly, their value exceeds that of the Bush's holdings. Whether it's really her money or his money, it's effectively their money.

I understand what your preference is regarding war experience - you've stated it several times now. Just haven't explained the reasoning behind it. Never mind.

This individual anecdote doesn't change the math.

Don't know where you got the "companies...18%" thing from - not anything I said. As for the rest, here's my source: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/timesdispatch/347999891.html?did=347999891&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=
Jun+13%2C+2003&author=A.+Barton+Hinkle&desc=KEY+POINTS+ARE+LOST+IN+RIGHTEOUS+INDIGNATION
I no longer possess the hardcopy of the entire editorial, only excerpts in a research project I did. If you still doubt, it'll only cost you $2.50 to obtain the full article - a small price to pay to call bullshit on me, don't you think?

I spend about 40% of my current income on housing. I'm not poor. I've been broke, but that's not the same thing.

Totally agree with you there.