Marines involved in the Haditha incident are innocent

Honestly, how often do you hear someone repeat the "rumor and innuendo"?

 

Only when a political discussion is open for debate.

 

Rumor and innuendo is apparently any information that doesn't agree with your own.

 

Apparently things are mysteriously apparent to yourself that have no basis in reality?

 

Ok Everyone the media is giving us the green light time to put on the angryface.

They are giving us the details of why we are angry in unrefutable facts.

If anyone goes against the grain, the common thread of ideal thats making us sooooooooo angry focus some of that anger on them.

Save the majority however cause its all Bushes fault.

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Where the hell are you getting this information from? I don't know what news sources you're using, but you're really starting to sound like Bill O'Reilly.

 

http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=3750_0_1_0_MJohn Murtha made the comments in question during a press conference he held last week and during his appearances on TV news shows, claiming “Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.” Murtha made his remarks regarding an incident that happened on November 19th in Haditha, Iraq.

 

http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/257660.htm

 

So your argument that they are innocent is being backed up by a report that says the Marines killed people, including women and children, who were unarmed. You then stated that all of the people killed were terrorists. Are you trying to argue that the Marines didn't kill anyone, or that the people they killed deserved to die?

 

Joe, seriously, people like you are the reason why americans are hated around the world... Congrats...

 

It would indeed be an accomplishment, waging war for such a long time without massacres and innocent dead. The dollars to the families speaks og aknowledgement, Joe. The US army has a no refund policy in combat-situations.
There was this 12 year old that was shot in the bac<k whilerunning away. They got him on a chopper and fixed him up as best in hospital, but no recompensation.
Must be a lot of preassure in wars. ( Damn thats INSIGHT ! ).........

 

i don't know why you guys still argue with joe.... any fact or source you cite he's going to dismiss as liberal propaganda while a www.NRArulezfagsdrool.com editorial piece is perfectly acceptable and to say otherwise is so ludicrous, that you must've already been brainwashed by the liberal conspiracy and should have your phone calls monitored

joey, joe..... "going against the grain" is wearing white after labor day, suggesting that it was 'okay' to massacre unarmed civilians is morally outrageous.... it's not the media that teaches us that, it's your father who slaps you for beating up a smaller kid..... it's common decency and everyday morality not the nietzchean brand of morals you're peddling

 

Don't know what books by Nietzsche you've read, but definitely not the same ones as I have. Joe is fine with forcing his morals and ideas on other people, and he's mad because the media isn't doing it for him. I think Joe is the embodiment of the statement "If you're not with me, you're against me."

 

Specific marines involved.

Murtha has already smeared the integrity of the Marine Corps. To pass judgement before a trial and before the facts is to smear tyhe integrity of the Marine Corps.

But yes loyalty to their camps is what is holding the Sunni and Shia together to the extent that they are. Loyalty and hatred. Falso propaganda like what is being used regarding Hadathia is the main ingredient used for the hatred part.

 

truthfully i;ve only taken philosophy101.... but if memeory serves nietzche said that morality was somethign invented by the weak to subdue the strength of the masters and prevent them from dominating, no?

as far as the joester goes.... ever since the article regarding beating of that 60 year old man in NO i've taken everything he says with a grain of salt

 

Just pointing out Smiles that we have not the slightest idea of what happened out there.

Don't tell me you do.

Running for an argument about weather it’s just and humane to murder "innocent" "unarmed" civilians. Is a typical technique you think that "It" indeed did occur (massacre) and have not heard the facts?

I can even easily counter that bogus argument. With the fact that none of the dead can logically be labeled as innocent. Unless that is they were run over by a humvee after running into the middle of the road flailing their arms in the air warning the soldiers to stop.

Is that what happened? Since apparently you were there.

 

yes joe they CAN be labeled as innocent because there is no evidence of their guilt.... and surely they can't all be guilty of setting off that device, if that's even what happened,

joe we're all aware that in war 'shit happens', it's inevitable, the americans, as an occupying force WILL meet resistance, how they handle this resistance is what's important, be it like the germans who killed a hundred people for every german soldier that was killed by partisans, or be it in a professional militaristic manner.... if you want to be seen as the re-builders of Iraq don't execute unarmed people and try to justify it, or at least punish those that do..... innocents will die in war, that's a fact…. but practice what you preach, either genuinely punish soldiers that kill innocents, or don't..... but don't play the "let's not and say we did" game.

 

Since we are speculating what we know as fact then I will also.

There were three vehicles traveling as they roll though this area they since something was odd although it is not of course unusual to be stared at this time there seemed to be more staring than normal from covered and concealed positions at specific locations two houses to the left and an ally forward and slightly forward and to the right. Also there was a taxi with what obviously were outsiders. That’s when the explosion hit immediately the ones who were watching went into a yodeling frenzy. Dancing around and ducking for cover and the teams hear gunfire from the same suspect locations. The terrorists have some dead children at ready and a taxi of out of town journalism students roll up ready to access the situation at hand they had been already told about and were in waite for. The Marines tell then to stop and they refuse instead run for some cover and are shot. The other team storms the house and receive resistance and bombard the house with heavy fire. (this is the reason for the blood spatters in the propaganda video.) The propaganda video by the other student that was also enroute to the location for the explicit purpose of creating propaganda.

My scenario is much more feasible sounding is it not?

 

No, really it isn't the more probable of the two scenario's. Smiles scenario is much more justified. You really think they have journalists waiting in the wings for when they plan insurgent actions?

Smiles, you have the morality idea backwards. Morality is created by the strong, the weak fall in line so that they can become like the strong, and eventually the weak bind the strong to the morality of the prior generation of strength. Then a new strongman comes along and recreates conventional morality again. It's cyclical. The true "ubermensch" followed his own morality and was "Beyond Good and Evil". The strong invent their own morality, the weak follow suit.

Joe, you're paranoid. The media is not out to destroy America, and John Murtha is not part of your so called "hate America" crowd. Quit buying into the neo-con bullshit.

 

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