Josljic (since you couldn't get mine right), you didn't even get the whole point of this thread. I believe she was talking about the stupid whores who use the fact that they have a vagina to get around in life. And my point was the women who would rather be seen as a person first get more shit for it than those who simply want to blend in with the rest of the masses. Tickling a guy's fancy? Were you born in 1913? I may be off a few years or so but you definitely seem to have that stupid fucking mentality. Running your own business doesn't make you any more of a woman. So I guess Heidi Fleiss is a stand-up broad? Where did she get her money to start the business? Busting her ass waiting tables? I dunno and I don't care. There are a lot of hard working women who don't own their own business, so go find another point there Uci.. Joeslogic, whoever the fuck you are... you're both creepy old men.
Ah Pukey chill out. If this was all about a slut that uses their vagina to get what they want or need we would be talking about Heidi, or someone so called amazingly talented like Madonna. Or that chick you seem to love Anna. You seem to be all pissy since I called you out on having a thing for serial killers. Also don't flip flop try holding your ground here. You know it was meant as a personal attack on Imp. Not that the whole angle we are talking about matters as far as Imp goes. My point is that being nice is not a character flaw. And as much as some would like to believe being a bitchy woman is not an uphill battle however quite the contrary it’s more like an asset. At least that is here in the States and I have to believe not different by any stretch in Western Europe. That being said I don't want to rain on your parade hell it's what Fugly Forums is all about. So please don't change a thing keep the outrageous commentary coming. I just wanted to comment on a different perspective. You guys... I take that back. You sound like my wife who is upset that I'm not taking her side when even if I mostly agree with her all I do is throw out a different perspective for her to see. After 17 years she has finally figured out it is an asset to have some one point out a different perspective. And if you think I'm more mature than most here then thanks for the compliment.
I don't have a thing for serial killers. My thread was genuine and you turned it into trash and I'm not bothering with a reply to that. I just loved Anna Nicole and if I wasn't so mentally impaired right now, I could really go into great detail about why Anna wasn't one of those women and why she was a very strong woman and actually someone you can look up to. You have to look past tmz to understand. You have to understand where she came from and what she ulimately became. She had a sense of humor and the woman was smart in her own Anna way. She wanted fans and she got them and she loved us all. She did great things for children and animals... she donated to charity and she was gorgeous and yes she flaunted her beauty but she could also make fun of herself and goof off and do crazy stuff. And she played it off like she didn't care. Anna Nicole was flawed. We are all flawed. Of all the 'famous' people I could ever met... Anna was the one I wanted to meet because I knew that she would have been genuine. She got caught up in a lot of shit really fast. She was a naive girl with a lot of ambition and she just wanted to be happy. That's all it ever was. I could see between the "Like my Body" woman and the real one. Most people never cared enough to try. And this thread was not started about Limpy. Her name was thrown in when Barry started running his gums. She was used as an example. Limpy has a sanctuary now. She doesn't need to be here. You're the one who had to run with it and use her 'accomplishments' to try to insult Nursey and I. Oh, you're most welcome because you know that it was not a compliment.
I sadly have had the frist hand experience of watching a generally sweet girl turn into a brainless, materialistic 'slag', brainwashed by TV and running herself into debt. My compliments about appearance only exacerbated things and all my sound logical reasoning and calm handling of arguments (she started) could not help her, it broke my heart. Before you go making a point to say there are 2 sides to an argument, yes I consider my own faults, yes I admit I must be an annoying sod. Nobody is perfect, relationships are just exchanges of selfishness and tolerance of those exchanges. An argument as defined by me, is when one person talks to the other person like shit, in this case she was the first every time. I tolerated enough to be able to at least talk nicely. In the end I got more and more depressed and upset and angry, it was literally like watching Eastenders (or any other unrealistic soap opera, the ones that just have fighting, backstabing and arguments all the time, like this is normal!?) The problem with some of these women, is they want everything and they cant have it. This is really happening, I can see it, TV and society shapes people, it takes their soul.
Cindy's beautiful son aka "Future shower toy." In every society since the dawn of time men were expected to provide and protect. Until very recently, and only in developed countries, this required physical and mental toughness, stamina, and stength. To detour a boy from the "stereotypical" roles of men by training him to be a complete patsy assed girlyman is basically preparing him to fail in the role of provider and protector. He better learn to fight, if not physically at least mentally and emotionally. Otherwise you are going to find him hiding in the closet crying while his wife (or mother) takes care of life's challenges. There is a reason most societies require a passage into manhood. For the boys that never had to "kill the lion" to prove themselves, the world is always going to be a scary place, and they will never have the guts (or balls) to stand up and run the damn show. I have never met a woman who liked a sensitive man "in touch with his feminine side" for more than a short time. They are often attracted to guys like this in the beginning, but eventually get very irritated when the wolf comes and the girlyman hides in the cave. My point - Eventually a man has to be a man. It's best just to start the preparation early.
Yeah you can say that about society in general. Look if you cannot be happy with what you have now why think getting more is going to be the key to happiness. That’s not saying that there is anything wrong with ambition, but it's the motive that drives the ambition. Being miserable because your life doesn’t mesh with TV surrealism. Reminds me of that "I'm not jr. and you ain’t SueEllen" song making fun of chicks that thought their life was supposed to be a big drama like on "Dallas" series.
I hope this (Barry's) isn't an argument for sexual stereotyping? Because having asexual looking children is not what i was suggesting at all. That is simply another extreme which should be avoided. Going actively against stereotyping is as big a mistake as stereotyping itself, just as Satanism is no answer to the flaws in modern Christianity. Both extremes should be avoided. Artificially foisting anything on your children is wrong, whether it's gender stereotypes or the extreme opposite. Or books to promote homosexuality. Or telling them that policemen are bad (even though the majority are). Children should be given the basic default, nothing less nothing more. Some try to squeeze a baby/toddler into a pigeon hole based on sex before that should even be a relevant factor. Because males need just as much nurturing and tenderness as girls, and girls need just as much encouragement to be physical, active and strong as boys. Yet some female children are clothed in fancy 'meringue cake' type dresses all the time, which are completely impractical, impeding their movement and making them more like a little ornament. I don't see anything wrong with putting a dress on a female baby from time to time. That isn't what i mean by stereotyping. I do see something wrong with dressing little girls up in fussy frocks every day, and 'training them' into being female ("now leave the cars - those are for boys. You have a little dolly to play with instead"). There isn't any need. Children should be loved, protected, and allowed to naturally unfold and grow in their own way, given as much freedom and range in experience as possible. They will naturally exhibit gender traits with time, there is no need for us to programme them.
Actually no, you don't understand what she meant by that. You don't have to actually use your vagina to get what you want for having one, the fact that you have one is enough if you are manipulative and sly. Nauseous is referring to those females who constantly play on the fact they are female to get what they want. Like this: What's the point in niceness when it's false? It's always the most goody-goody who are a bunch of hypocritical frauds.
Lying is just that lying I suppose on one hand then on the other it's splitting hairs at this point. To me a lying manipulative bitch would be a salesman or woman. Who flat out deceived a person and charmed them into making a terrible financial decision such as purchasing a car. Conceding to some males irrational understanding women in a "wink-nod" sort of tongue in cheek way on a forum with someone it is highly unlikely that you will ever meet? Just seems silly and irrational to me that's all. But I don't know why i even chimed in to the issue it was quite entertaining. Speaking of entertaining. Didn't I just post about my friend Larry on this thread?
I "can't decide is i a boy of girl"? Exactly how bad was the dribbling when you wrote that? I think it's time you saw a doctor.
Well I guess to get back on topic..... My boss is a woman, she is over a very large portion of the company I work for, not just I.T. She is an excellent boss, and out of all the department heads in the company, I am glad I got her. There are others in the company that have disdain for her, I am not sure if it is because she is their equal, or better, on the 'company pyramid' or if it's just because she has more responsibility than most others. She is straight forward, and easy to work for. She doesnt micro-manage, she lets me do my job, my way, and I make life easy on her, by her not getting calls about IT support or service. I have no issue with a female in power. Especially when she has put in the time and earns the position. The company I used to work for hired an IT director, after I left, with less education, no degree, and only 4 years military experience to head the department. She got a 15 month degree online, and manages a friend of mine with 20+ years experience and a Masters Degree. She got the job because she was a double minority and Monsanto loves the credits you get for hiring minorities, so a black woman is a double whammy. That I hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRsHA559fwc&mode=related&search= Here is a reason to give a boy a gun when he is very young.
So, in conclusion, only the basic, natural default should be presented, but not taken and fashioned into into a simplistic black and white, starchy straightjacket, foisted onto children by some insecure bigot who needs things exaggerrated to extremes in order to understand or perceive them. That sort of upbringing is very limitive and therefore damaging to children. When the child just looks like a child - neither male or female - there is a reason. Because only the pure force which is neither male or female is (at that point) visible. Once the gender starts to become more apparent, you alter your behaviour towards them accordingly, in a natural, spontaneous manner. But there is both masculine and feminine in both sexes, so sometimes a male might make you more nurturing due to their more feminine physique or emotional nature, or a female might display more masculine attributes such as boisterous behaviour. Nothing is straightforward black or white, there are myriad different combinations. General trends do arise, but they are not rigidly clearcut and entirely predictable, which is why bringing up children with a simplistic sexual stereotyping approach is out of harmony with our nature.
...in fact, this ties both this thread and the homsexuality thread together, because extremes of any sort always create a strong opposite extreme reaction. The overt, rigid stereotyping of previous generations will be responsible for a big backlash...and is probably why so many people, feeling aspects of their personality have been steamrolled or forced upon them rebel completely, finding a crude solace in the form of homosexuality or lesbianism.
