Know Thine Enemy #2

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    Oil company report to Congress Says...



    "The territory across which the pipeline would extend is controlled by the Taliban, an Islamic movement that is not recognized as a government by most other nations."

    "From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company."

    "In spite of this, a route through Afghanistan appears to be the best option with the fewest technical obstacles."

    "It is the shortest route to the sea and has relatively favorable terrain for a pipeline. "

    "The route through Afghanistan is the one that would bring Central Asian oil closest to Asian markets and thus would be the cheapest in terms of transporting the oil."

    "This 42-inch-diameter pipeline will have a shipping capacity of one million barrels of oil per day."

    "As with the proposed Central Asia Oil Pipeline, CentGas cannot begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan government is in place. "

    "For the project to advance, it must have international financing, government-to-government agreements and government-to-consortium agreements."


    US gave silent blessing to Taliban rise to power: analysts
    Russia Wants Piece of US Afgan Oil Game
    British Wants Piece of US Afgan Oil Game
     
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    PILGER: THIS WAR IS A FARCE By John Pilger, Former Mirror chief foreign correspondent


    The war against terrorism is a fraud. After three weeks' bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan.

    Instead, one of the poorest, most stricken nations has been terrorised by the most powerful - to the point where American pilots have run out of dubious "military" targets and are now destroying mud houses, a hospital, Red Cross warehouses, lorries carrying refugees.

    Unlike the relentless pictures from New York, we are seeing almost nothing of this. Tony Blair has yet to tell us what the violent death of children - seven in one family - has to do with Osama bin Laden.

    And why are cluster bombs being used? The British public should know about these bombs, which the RAF also uses. They spray hundreds of bomblets that have only one purpose; to kill and maim people. Those that do not explode lie on the ground like landmines, waiting for people to step on them.

    If ever a weapon was designed specifically for acts of terrorism, this is it. I have seen the victims of American cluster weapons in other countries, such as the Laotian toddler who picked one up and had her right leg and face blown off. Be assured this is now happening in Afghanistan, in your name.

    None of those directly involved in the September 11 atrocity was Afghani. Most were Saudis, who apparently did their planning and training in Germany and the United States.

    The camps which the Taliban allowed bin Laden to use were emptied weeks ago. Moreover, the Taliban itself is a creation of the Americans and the British. In the 1980s, the tribal army that produced them was funded by the CIA and trained by the SAS to fight the Russians.

    The hypocrisy does not stop there. When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996, Washington said nothing. Why? Because Taliban leaders were soon on their way to Houston, Texas, to be entertained by executives of the oil company, Unocal.

    With secret US government approval, the company offered them a generous cut of the profits of the oil and gas pumped through a pipeline that the Americans wanted to build from Soviet central Asia through Afghanistan.

    A US diplomat said: "The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis did." He explained that Afghanistan would become an American oil colony, there would be huge profits for the West, no democracy and the legal persecution of women. "We can live with that," he said.

    Although the deal fell through, it remains an urgent priority of the administration of George W. Bush, which is steeped in the oil industry. Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth and enough, according to one estimate, to meet America's voracious energy needs for a generation. Only if the pipeline runs through Afghanistan can the Americans hope to control it.

    So, not surprisingly, US Secretary of State Colin Powell is now referring to "moderate" Taliban, who will join an American-sponsored "loose federation" to run Afghanistan. The "war on terrorism" is a cover for this: a means of achieving American strategic aims that lie behind the flag-waving facade of great power.

    The Royal Marines, who will do the real dirty work, will be little more than mercenaries for Washington's imperial ambitions, not to mention the extraordinary pretensions of Blair himself. Having made Britain a target for terrorism with his bellicose "shoulder to shoulder" with Bush nonsense, he is now prepared to send troops to a battlefield where the goals are so uncertain that even the Chief of the Defence Staff says the conflict "could last 50 years".

    The irresponsibility of this is breathtaking; the pressure on Pakistan alone could ignite an unprecedented crisis across the Indian sub-continent. Having reported many wars, I am always struck by the absurdity of effete politicians eager to wave farewell to young soldiers, but who themselves would not say boo to a Taliban goose.

    In the days of gunboats, our imperial leaders covered their violence in the "morality" of their actions. Blair is no different. Like them, his selective moralising omits the most basic truth. Nothing justified the killing of innocent people in America on September 11, and nothing justifies the killing of innocent people anywhere else.

    By killing innocents in Afghanistan, Blair and Bush stoop to the level of the criminal outrage in New York. Once you cluster bomb, "mistakes" and "blunders" are a pretence. Murder is murder, regardless of whether you crash a plane into a building or order and collude with it from the Oval Office and Downing Street.





    GRIEF: A father weeps over his dead son after the bombs blunder in Kabul

    If Blair was really opposed to all forms of terrorism, he would get Britain out of the arms trade. On the day of the twin towers attack, an "arms fair", selling weapons of terror (like cluster bombs and missiles) to assorted tyrants and human rights abusers, opened in London's Docklands with the full backing of the Blair government.

    Britain's biggest arms customer is the medieval Saudi regime, which beheads heretics and spawned the religious fanaticism of the Taliban.

    If he really wanted to demonstrate "the moral fibre of Britain", Blair would do everything in his power to lift the threat of violence in those parts of the world where there is great and justifiable grievance and anger.

    He would do more than make gestures; he would demand that Israel ends its illegal occupation of Palestine and withdraw to its borders prior to the 1967 war, as ordered by the Security Council, of which Britain is a permanent member.

    He would call for an end to the genocidal blockade which the UN - in reality, America and Britain - has imposed on the suffering people of Iraq for more than a decade, causing the deaths of half a million children under the age of five.

    That's more deaths of infants every month than the number killed in the World Trade Center.

    There are signs that Washington is about to extend its current "war" to Iraq; yet unknown to most of us, almost every day RAF and American aircraft already bomb Iraq. There are no headlines. There is nothing on the TV news. This terror is the longest-running Anglo-American bombing campaign since World War Two.

    The Wall Street Journal reported that the US and Britain faced a "dilemma" in Iraq, because "few targets remain". "We're down to the last outhouse," said a US official. That was two years ago, and they're still bombing. The cost to the British taxpayer? £800 million so far.

    According to an internal UN report, covering a five-month period, 41 per cent of the casualties are civilians. In northern Iraq, I met a woman whose husband and four children were among the deaths listed in the report. He was a shepherd, who was tending his sheep with his elderly father and his children when two planes attacked them, each making a sweep. It was an open valley; there were no military targets nearby.

    "I want to see the pilot who did this," said the widow at the graveside of her entire family. For them, there was no service in St Paul's Cathedral with the Queen in attendance; no rock concert with Paul McCartney.

    The tragedy of the Iraqis, and the Palestinians, and the Afghanis is a truth that is the very opposite of their caricatures in much of the Western media.

    Far from being the terrorists of the world, the overwhelming majority of the Islamic peoples of the Middle East and south Asia have been its victims - victims largely of the West's exploitation of precious natural resources in or near their countries.

    There is no war on terrorism. If there was, the Royal Marines and the SAS would be storming the beaches of Florida, where more CIA-funded terrorists, ex-Latin American dictators and torturers, are given refuge than anywhere on earth.

    There is, however, a continuing war of the powerful against the powerless, with new excuses, new hidden agendas, new lies. Before another child dies violently, or quietly from starvation, before new fanatics are created in both the east and the west, it is time for the people of Britain to make their voices heard and to stop this fraudulent war - and to demand the kind of bold, imaginative non-violent initiatives that require real political courage.

    The other day, the parents of Greg Rodriguez, a young man who died in the World Trade Center, said this: "We read enough of the news to sense that our government is heading in the direction of violent revenge, with the prospect of sons, daughters, parents, friends in distant lands dying, suffering, and nursing further grievances against us.

    "It is not the way to go...not in our son's name."
    www.johnpilger.com
     
  4. PinkorBrown69

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    Alright! alright! Enough already! I almost regret asking now.
     
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    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,

    Following the rights movements
    You clamped on with your iron fists,
    Drugs became conveniently
    Available for all the kids.
    Following the rights movements
    You clamped on with your iron fists,
    Drugs became conveniently
    Available for all the kids.

    I buy my crack, I smack my bitch,
    right here in Hollywood,
    Nearly 2 million Americans are
    Incarcerated in the prison system,
    prison system of the U.S.

    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    (For you and me to live in)
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    (For you and me)

    Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
    You don't even flinch
    All are taxes paying for your wars
    Against the new non-rich,
    Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
    You don't even flinch
    All are taxes paying for your wars
    Against the new non-rich,

    I buy my crack, I smack my bitch,
    right here in Hollywood,
    The percentage of Americans in the prison system,
    prison system has doubled since 1985.

    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    (For you and me to live in)
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    (For you and me)
    For you and I, For you and I, For you and I.
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    For you and me,
    Oh baby, you and me.
    All research and successful drug policy show
    That treatment should be increased,
    And law inforcement decreased,
    While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences,
    All research and sucessful drug policy show
    That treatment should be increased,
    And law inforcement decreased,
    While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.

    Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world.
    Drugs are now your global policy,
    Now you police the globe,

    I buy my crack, I smack my bitch,
    right here in Hollywood,
    Drug money is used to rig elections,
    And train brutal corporate sponsored
    dictators around the world.

    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    (For you and me to live in)
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    Another prison system,
    (For you and me)
    For you and I, For you and I, For you and I.
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    They're trying to build a prison,
    For you and me,
    Oh baby, you and me.
     
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    system of a down - prison song

    name that tune #2?
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
    Alright! alright! Enough already! I almost regret asking now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    she's not arguing points spook, or answering questions.. she's just pasting things people should read..
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pimp:
    system of a down - prison song

    name that tune #2?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I thought it appropriate...
     
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    I know she'll like this...

     
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    *right click, save*
     
  11. Nursey

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    ...but why is America shrunk to a TENTH of its actual size?
     
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    cool.. apocolypse now... re-released in time for christmas
     
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    The smell of napalm always has reminded me of the holidays. {wistful...}
     
  14. PinkorBrown69

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    Alright Nursey... So I was angry when I wrote that... I had just witnessed one of the blackest days in the history of Man .

    And just to prove what a hypocrite I am. I went out for a drink with a Pakistani girl the other day...
    And I was pleasantly supprised to find that she didn't smell of cloying food spices, like I'd always imagined Asian women to smell... She smelt more like joss sticks!
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
    Alright Nursey... So I was angry when I wrote that... I had just witnessed one of the blackest days in the history of Man .

    And just to prove what a hypocrite I am. I went out for a drink with a Pakistani girl the other day...
    And I was pleasantly supprised to find that she didn't smell of cloying food spices, like I'd always imagined Asian women to smell... She smelt more like joss sticks!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ...did you shag her..and think our boys are over there bombing her neighbouring country-greatly destabilising the whole region-I'm over here fucking her!!!Wayyyheyyyy!!!"
     
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    my my pinky... you're a regular flag bearer for race relations

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
    And I guess I must be a little bit of a hypocrite. Because one new-years eve during the Kuwait/Iraq war, I met and spent the night with a stunning looking Iraqi woman. And as she moaned as I eased my little 'pink' thingy into her black hairy pussy... I'll allways remember thinking... This is great! As the army are over there fighting them.
    I'm over here fucking them!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
  17. PinkorBrown69

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey:
    ...did you shag her..[/i][/URL]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not yet!

    But then we not fighting Pakistan are we? ( well not at the momment! )
     
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    I read this:

    A character who may be certifiable is the surfing Colonel in charge of the air cavalry. He seems to be out of touch with reality. Kurtz advocates making friends with "the horror", which is excessive, but a regard and recognition for the reality of it would seem to be essential, especially for one continuously confronted with it. However, the Colonel is quite oblivious to it, encouraging soldiers to surf in the midst of heavy battle. Yet he seems to be very well adapted to his situation, efficacious, an inspired leader. He notes with regret that "Some day this war's going to end," but one gets the impression that he is career military and that he will always have a venue in which to play since the U.S. military is seldom idle, always finding some part of the world in which to act. In terms of the trilogy of mind, that which is most impaired is affect, or feeling.He characterizes the girl who drops a grenade in a helicopter as a "barbarian", and vengefully goes after her and kills her from the air, whereas his own actions, flying in with 'Flight of the Valkries' playing and engaging in rapid mass slaughter is civilized.He is virtually devoid of compassion, as we see when his attention is easily diverted, on hearing that Lance the famous surfer is present, from a soldier whose guts are spilling out and whose virtue he was moments before dramatically extolling. He may indeed be insane, and given that he is well adapted to his circumstance, we might wish to argue that the military which has created this circumstance must be insane. I think this is Coppola's intention. However, those at the top making executive decisions leading to such circumstances bear more responsibility than the pieces they move in the field. The issue at that level still seems to be one of moral responsibility.

    ...and was reminded of this:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:

    Fucking Arab scum. We should nuke the whole of the Middle East. And rid the world of these sadistic cunts. Did you see them dancing in the streets? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy:
    my my pinky... you're a regular flag bearer for race relations<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And I would hardly class being with three coloured women in ten years flag bearing...
     

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