All that proves is that the Greeks were great record-keepers. History is littered with examples of people taking credit for the work of others, and similar misattributions. We all came from Africa originally. I say we give them the credit!
I never bought the Africa deal, and no its not a raciest thing either. As far as the Greeks go. Yeah they brought us a lot of great things. Bad ones 2 like Greek Sex.
Whatever bitch, so you think. Great record keepers my ass, they only remember one great deluge. Their successors the Romans were good at stomping around and burning libraries and all those records. "Must...Not Let Humanity FIND OUT!!!" I take a look around the world, and I see what Plato wrote as truth. There have been many great deluges. We didn't bust out of Africa, we were placed around the world!
Now hold on now, Yes the Romans where War Mongers. But they shared the same social structure that the Greeks did. A lot of the beliefs where the same. Hell the only bad thing I can say about the Romans is they gave us Jesus. Yes do your research a Roman Emperor was the one that made Jesus a deity and basically wrote the Christen religion and he was a Pagan
So what? If I found out you just got paid I could have my friend Darnise jack your wallet and split the profits with me, and I could walk up to you and be like, "Damn dude, need to borrow some money?" and pretend to be your friend.
Besides, wasn't it a Roman soldier that walked up to Archimedes and shanked him? oOoooh, it was an accident, we didn't know... Yeah, right...
No reason to get worked up about it smurf, thats all history. Keep your eye on the prize. I think people are trying to steer you away from the end of the world. Keep them on the prize man keep them on the prize.
...or "could" it be...getting *conquered*, first by the Persians and again later by the Mongols who destroyed and decimated their culture - including their irrigation system which could not be rebuilt because so many people had been killed there was not enough manpower to rebuild the canals. No canals = no irrigation = no crops, as iraq is arid. No, because although we do have plenty to be grateful to the rest of the world for, it still doesn't detract from the main point of discussion here, which is that we draw our most important civilising influences from ancient Babylon. You seem reluctant to accept that fact. Middle Eastern culture has not fucked that up for itself. If it weren't for outside/invading influences, the middle east would not be in the state it is in now. Also, Iraq is only 'assbackwards' now after having been obliterrated by the modern day Mongols. It may surprise you to know that just prior to the first Gulf war, Iraq was fast becoming on a par with European country standards, (in some ways better even as there was no tax, completely free health care and education)...a matter of great consternation for Israel! Iraq wasn't run by 'religious zealots' ...until the U.S. got involved!
Nursey wrote: we draw our most important civilising influences from ancient Babylon. I write: Nope ! Culture is drawn worldwide. Egypt and Eurpoe and India and China. Nursey wrote: ...or "could" it be...getting *conquered*, first by the Persians and again later by the Mongols who destroyed and decimated their culture- including their irrigation system which could not be rebuilt because so many people had been killed there was not enough manpower to rebuild the canals. No canals = no irrigation = no crops, as iraq is arid. I write: Could be getting conquered, but will a strong insurgency with power based in Iran help the ancient babylonians ? Irrigation was allso destroyed in northafrica and their crops never came back. Irrigation is a factor. Reduced fertility in the soil due to massive agriculture and deforestation is another. Its to later to save the cedarforrests of Lebanon.
We are talking about the roots of western culture...which draws it's most pervading influences from ancient Babylon.
Nice quote Nursey. And largely true, but remember that turkmen and kurd shayks had taken over administrative and military duties for a few hundred years at that time, and that the sultanate, ( or is that kalifate ? ) allready was under strain. Muslem sages continue the good work in Spain for many years, ( even if Babylon is no-go ). And for Babylon being the most pervading influence. That will be REALLY difficult to quantify, and were is the qualification ?
Look at the way that tribes movewd IN to this area , bringing with them their own peculiar branch of mayhem and empire. And without the gentle influence of Egypt its hard to imagine the the math of it. Phoenicians and Cretans. Do you consider the whole fertile crescent babylonian ? In that case I would largely have to agree with you.
Joeslogic and Barry wanted to know 'what happened to the great Mesopotamian civilisation'...i provided the answer which makes most sense. They were decimated...overrun...conquered...by the Mongols. Anything else (Kurds? Turks?) is splitting hairs and clouding the issue which stands out the most. I didnt see you offer any explanation when Barry came up with 'opium', yet my answer which is based on solid fact invites all this quibbling? They invented the wheel, writing, mathematics, farming and irrigation, first code of law, the method of time keeping which you use everytime you look at a clock amongst a multitude of other things...things which influence every aspect of our lifes...what more evidence do you want? If you have trouble accepting this, i suggest you take it to the highest authorities on the matter...the professors who teach these facts at the universities across the world.
But it was largely due to the influence of the babylonians which is evident because their writing system was accepted as the lingua franca of the whole of the middle east including egypt.
Barry didn't invite any quibbling because his response sounded nice, and with a biblical quote to back it up, mmmm boy.
