You may as well be huffing gasoline: http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic927.htm "MDMA is a member of a family of amphetamine derivatives known as MDA. Structurally, MDMA is similar to the stimulant methamphetamine and the hallucinogen mescaline. Like other amphetamines (in particular, dopamine and norepinephrine), it causes catecholamine release from presynaptic vesicles. However, MDMA also is a selective serotonergic neurotoxin that causes massive release of serotonin (ie, 5-hydroxytryptamine [5-HT]) and is postulated to inhibit its uptake. In animal models, it has been demonstrated to cause long-term destruction of 5-HT axons and axon terminals. No randomized clinical human studies exist, and one always must be cautious when extrapolating animal study data and applying it to human models. However, studies demonstrate lowered concentrations of the 5-HT metabolite 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA) in the cerebrospinal fluid of regular MDMA users. This correlates with a similar decrease reported in primates with brain damage induced by MDMA." "In 1985, published reports stated that MDMA and its demethylated metabolite 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) had long-term neurotoxic effects in laboratory animals. As a result of the study and concern over MDMA's increasing recreational use, the Drug Enforcement Agency placed MDMA in Schedule I of the Controlled Substance Act, hence declaring the drug illegal. Despite its illegal status as of 1986, the use of MDMA has continued to increase and has risen dramatically since the arrival of the "rave" phenomenon. "
I remember when that stuff hit the market in 84 or 85 and for a brief time was even available in "headshops" because there were no laws against it. I know there are adverse effects just from knowing people who abused it to the extreme. I have not kept up with any of them to know how they turned out years later. I think the body has an amazing resilience to repair itself and the medical establishment discredits itself with claims of "Long term adverse effects" and the such. Also I'm open to the idea that for the casual user its more likely that there is virtually no side effect. I just have little trust in the studies.
Show me a study that was wrong. A real study. If it's in emedicine they aren't fucking around. If it's in the Nancy reagan just say no to drugs website who knows about the quality of the inforamation. I wouldn't fuck with ectasy. Cocaine causes premature atherosclerisis and can precipitate a heart attack. I wouldn't touch that shit with a 10 foot poll.
Also we're talking PRIMATE studies here not laboratory mice. Mice with brain damage would be enough to scare me away from it.
And even after all these warnings, trying to protect us against these potential dangers. We still want to go and do it, perhaps just a unconcious rebelious instinct, one that will always be there. Why do they restrict drugs like this, but allow damaging drugs like nicotine and alcohol? Its a farce and I believe it should be pro-choice. These 'people at the top' who think they know whats best for us, all they do is kill us, instil fear and instigate wars constantly. They have created such a crappy place for us to live in, where intense competition and stepping on other peoples hopes and dreams is the only way to be successful, where nice guys finish last. They don't care about anything, its all an illusion. But in so doing this becomes the only escape for people who are not satisfied with the standard 'methods of release'; the cigerette, which is pointless and only serves to drain money and keep us addicted, sometimes, many times a day as we 'gasp' for that next ciggy. Along with alcohol and its related problems such as violence and physical and mental effects and its addiction 'acoholism'. I feel the only reason that they push drugs like these to be illegal is exactly the reason why they are popular, because on drugs, we are not doing they say or want, but what they say or want isn't always 'good' for us, as demonstrated regularly. And that is why I will always advocate, not the actions of drug-taking, but the choice at least. Even then I'm quite positive it will incur the same sentiment as t-totalers with alcohol and successful quitters, because you have the the choice to say NO too.
You sound so fukn stupid it's all most like someone made it up to be as stupid as possible. Cigerettes and alcohol are legal because the majority want them to be and they elect people to keep them legal. Alcohol in moderation isn't harmful. There are more cigerette restrictions all the time.
I could make any number of Forrest Gump references here, but what's the point? You're so fond of citing 'studies' - try this one:
Moderation means 1-2 beers or 4 oz of hard liquor per day is good for raising the HDL or good cholesterol that takes cholesterol from the arteries back to the liver. I am aware that alcohol can shrink the brain, fry the liver, kill people in any number of ways that are too numerous for me to list here for your reading pleasure. A better way to raise the HDL is just to exercise more because most people can't stop at 1 beer per day. Drinking them all at once on the weekend doesn't work either. Try to remember that I am an MD when you want to argue medical shit.
Then explain to me how "alcohol in moderation isn't harmful" when you authenticate the fact that even a small amount can shrink the brain. Spoken like a true professional, ready to leave his mark in the field. I believe what you meant to type is as follows: And while we're on the subject: Try to remember that you're full of shit.
I could have said alcohol is harmful but blah blah this amount is okay pretty much unless you want to get technical about it blah blah blah but since it's not measureable the negative effects blah blah blah. You know dumbasses that want to argue shit all day about little crap they picked up here and there without any idea of the big pictures and using that to invalidat every fucking thing proven to be true deserve whatever they get and no one has the time or cares enough even if they did to straighten their ass out. They pretty much just get what they deserve. If you want to try to pick apart some bullshit about alcohol that I'm more fucking aware of then you could ever imagine having spent innumerable hours in the hospital and studying hours on end then that is your fucking problem and enjoy your ectasy laden brain damage. I will continue to drink a few beers in moderation and laugh at your retarded ass so fk you.
There is nothing worse than some dipshit that enjoys arguing with experts about their field of expertise because they have no fucking life. I've seen it a million times in the hospital. It is always somebody with a personality disorder and no job that no one wants to be around who actually enjoys being in the hospital so they can give everyone a hard time spouting off a bunch of crap as they see themselves as the noble victim while in reality multiple people who are working in the hospital to trying to help people with real problems through no fault of their own have to waste their time arguing with dumbshits who think they are in debate class while arguing with experts who finally just say fuck this guy he's out of here.
Consider this: The common conspiracy that "Big Tobacco" as well as "Big Alcoholic beverage" interest are a shadow government of their own twisting the minds of the establishment. Having meetings in dark and smoky board rooms and exploiting the masses. If one goes back in time in five year increments all the way back to the founding of America. They cannot name me a point in any one of them that a political party had the power to overcome a super majority of the people. We live in a democracy type government a representative republic. Any party who attempted that would have gone down hard. Not because everyone smokes either. I do not smoke at all. I think it is great that people can no longer smoke in restaurants unless they are in a designated section. Thing is though it is really quite simple we want to be able to enjoy the freedom to kill ourselves if we so choose. People are more likely to die prematurely if they drive motorcycles so what should we do? Outlaw motorcycles? Hang gliding? Swimming at the beach? Riding a skateboard? Eating a cheeseburger? Being lazy and lounging around on the couch? Drinking caffeinated beverages? Look I simply want to enjoy my time hear so I will ride my motorcycle. Some times like a moth to a flame I will flirt with disaster. And if I die young (a foregone idea since I'm 40 and content to meet my maker) then so be it. I lived while I was alive. I have no real joy for smoking but if that was my pleasure then fine. Death is not the worst thing that can happen. But wearing a three day old shitty diaper while being stowed safely away on an old folks home till all of my complete estate has been totally drained hell that is not living. Think about it. Sometimes you are so damn right on Dis how can you also be so wrong.
I heard that for a man my size 2 beers a day is not harmful, and could even be healthy. So then if I don't drink any during the week, and then drink all 14 on Saturday, I'm fine, right?
I could do this all day - Dangerous Dan, M.D.* *Miniature Dick *Master of Disaster *Many Dead *Masturabtion Director *Mentally Deficient *Mass Destruction *Minute Diddler *Much Doo Doo *Major Dipwad
