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I work alot at night. I grew up around guns. I see no reason not to be able to protect myself if need be. Unfortunately there are just as many irresponsible carriers as there are responsible...

I don't carry a .45 smiles, but I am starting to chafe.

 

.357 snub is my poison.

 

*puts on trackpants*

 

Either side of the fence on gun laws is going to have problems. I think it should be individual choice though. Any government intervention is going to make things difficult, and it doesn't solve anything.

 

Yeah. And the same for nuclear warheads too, right?

 

Chester you are obviously passionate about your belief and I believe your hearts in the right place. But I am not as passive a person and do not feel that police or government have any authority to, ability to, responsibility to, or will to protect me as an individual.

Trust me I'm one of the good guys and will not use my firearm will not hurt you in any way.

 

Don't patronise me you stupid fuck. I have not come to a position on any issue, let me assure you, with any consideration of you whatsoever.

 

Chester wrote...

That's hardly a valid argument. Nuclear warheads by definition are genocidal weapons, capable of wiping out 100,000+ people per use. A gun is a valid means of deterence and defense. I actually don't own any firearms, but should someone choose to own a firearm that's up to them if they feel it is necessary to defend themselves. The government is incapable of protecting most people most of the time.

 

Must have been a mistake on your part Chesty

I was patronizing you in the "Time for the attacks on the validity of media reports" thread

Here I was simply feeling compassionate towards your well intended ignorance. And if I had any intention of trying to form your view then I would not choose a strategy of patronizing would I?

But you’re your unwarranted attack on my intentions shows a definite lack of character on your part.

 

Oh, I see. So we draw the line where, exactly? Bazookas? Tanks? Hand grenades? Conventional warheads?

 

So disagreeing with your position makes me ignorant, huh? Just the kind of self-centred viewpoint I'd unfortunately expected.

 

We're talking about personal use of firearms, not instruments of war. Give me a valid reason why someone would need a bazooka, rhetorical, and I'll draw the line behind it. I can think of many valid uses for personal firearms, and I'm not talking a Barrett .50cal. The argument doesn't invalidate my point, which is it should be personal choice whether or not you carry a firearm to defend yourself.

 

Well if we look at the second amendment to the constitution of the United States. We should consider that the founding fathers of our country having just taken arms against there own governing body that at the time being the English Monarchy certainly intended that the right to bear arms and to form an organized militia were for the benefit of rising against ones own government in the event that the government eroded into a rogue police state.

Bazookas, tanks, and hand grenades would be helpful in this respect.

But in the end cooler heads prevail. That’s what the current laws are regulating that people are not out there with bazookas. At least not legal citizens that is back in my earlier hell raising years I met a few drug dealers that bragged about and liked to show off their guns and hand grenades were fairly common although you never herd of anyone using them.

 

Look Chesty I do not understand why you’re being so testy. You righteously call me a "stupid fuck" then pretend you’re offended that I claimed you were ignorant on this point. Something by the way I would have avoided saying had I not been called a stupid fuck. Go figure that one out? It's you that’s offensive not me. But that is a tactic I always see from people with left leaning views. Their right and offended that I do not agree.

Hell I'm ignorant about a lot of things. Take any given lotto winning number for instance I cannot say I know any of them I am therefore ignorant. But then aren’t we all?

 

Hot blonds and guns got to love it here in America.

 

I'd rather see it under her chin.

 

Ok. So you are passionate about your guns. And then thats fine. Cars kill a lot of people too. If MrGrapes % cant teach you, nothing can, and then you should be "free" to go clutching firearms at sidewalks and believe that this makes you safer.
The cost is about 30 000 dead a year. If you were a civilised country, you could easily save 25 000 a year and still shoot up more people than anybody else with compulsory primary school. The problem is that your scewered morals and phony logic of protection ( That might have been correct against plainsindians and cougars, in the days ),Yes ! Your phony logic spreads through youthculture into civilised countries. And our crimerates look more and more american. Nobody likes that. Not even americans.

 

If you look at the crime rates though the most gun murders occur in areas of intense urban density. I live about 10 miles from Santa Ana, California, which for a while was the murder capital of the country. Coincidentally, Santa Ana also has the highest population density per square mile of any city in the country. Coincidence, I think not. The fact that Europes population density is going up, through immigration instead of high birth rates, could be a possible reason that shooting deaths are going up in those countries as well. Any time you have poor people more or less stacked on top of each other you're going to have crime, because people get desperate. Blaming that on guns is like blaming cars for automotive fatalities.

 

Pure and unadulterated bullshit. Inner Sydney has high population density, and while old people die in their homes unnoticed for six months at a time, we have very, very few gun deaths.

London - high density, few deaths. Tokyo - extrememly high density, practically no deaths.

Wake up.

 

Please Dio ! Do you know the size of Western-Europe at all ?
Look at London and count the dead. Find another theory.

( Sorry didnt see you Chester )

But the fact is that what you guys are saying about needing pistols and semiautomatics. Or other obscure theories. They dont fit at all !

It could be Smurfslapper-logic would have some clout:

That "somebody" had an interest in it. But how he would make the NRA go together with his international conspiracy confounds me :?