Why Illigal aliens are dangrous.

I have myself been seeing this tattoo around my job on the stable workers MS-13. You say what the hell is that MS-13 it is a growing danger in the US. It is basically a spic gang coming out of Mexico and South America.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/


March 28 issue - The signs of a new threat in northern Virginia emerged ominously in blood-spattered urban streets and rural scrub. Two summers ago the body of a young woman who had informed against her former gang associates was found on the banks of the Shenandoah River, repeatedly stabbed and her head nearly severed. Last May in Alexandria, gang members armed with machetes hacked away at a member of the South Side Locos, slicing off some of his fingers and leaving others dangling by a shred of skin. Only a week later in Herndon, a member of the 18th Street gang was pumped full of .38-caliber bullets, while his female companion, who tried to flee, was shot in the back. The assailant, according to a witness, had a large tattoo emblazoned on his forehead. It read MS, for Mara Salvatrucha, the gang allegedly responsible for all these attacks.

At the nearby headquarters of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, agents—many of whom live in these communities—fielded the reports with mounting alarm. But Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, wasn't terrifying just northern Virginia. "They were popping up everywhere," says Chris Swecker, assistant director of the FBI's criminal investigative division. "It seemed like we were hearing more and more about MS-13." Then one day last fall, FBI Director Robert Mueller called Swecker into his office. "You have a mandate to go out and address this gang," Mueller told him. Mueller declared MS-13 the top priority of the bureau's criminal-enterprise branch—which targets organized crime—and authorized the creation of a new national task force to combat it. The task force, which includes agencies like the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), aims to take on MS-13 much as the FBI once tackled the Mafia.

Composed of mostly Salvadorans and other Central Americans—many of them undocumented—the gang has a uniquely international profile, with an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 members in 33 states in the United States (out of more than 700,000 gang members overall), and tens of thousands more in Central America. It's considered the fastest-growing, most violent and least understood of the nation's street gangs—in part because U.S. law enforcement has not been watching as closely as it might have. As authorities have focused their attention on the war against terrorism, MS-13 has proliferated. In the FBI's D.C. field office, the number of agents dedicated to gang investigations declined by 50 percent. "There was a definite shift in resources post-9/11 toward terrorism," says Michael Mason, assistant director in charge of that office. "As a result, we had fewer resources to focus on gangs," though he adds that the bureau made up for any shortfall by leveraging resources from other agencies. In recent weeks, authorities have made strides against MS-13: a gang leader accused of orchestrating a December bus bombing in Honduras that killed 28 people was arrested in Texas in February, and a recent seven-city sweep by ICE netted more than 100 reputed MS-13 members. But Robert Clifford, head of the new national task force, says "no single law-enforcement action is really going to deal the type of blow" necessary to dismantle the gang. No one is more interested in busting up MS-13 than leaders of the Latino community, who live with the fear and fallout of the gang's savage actions.

MS-13 got started in Los Angeles in the 1980s by Salvadorans fleeing a civil war. Many of the kids grew up surrounded by violence. Del Hendrixson of Bajito Onda, a gang-outreach program, remembers an MS-13 member who recounted one of his earliest memories: guarding the family's crops at the age of 4, armed with a machete, alone at night. When he and others reached the mean streets of the L.A. ghetto, Mexican gangs preyed on them. The newcomers' response: to band together in a mara, or "posse," composed of salvatruchas, or "street-tough Salvadorans" (the "13" is a gang number associated with southern California). Over time, the gang's ranks grew, adding former paramilitaries with weapons training and a taste for atrocity. MS-13 eventually adopted a variety of rackets, from extortion to drug trafficking. When law enforcement cracked down and deported planeloads of members, the deportees quickly created MS-13 outposts in El Salvador and neighboring countries like Honduras and Guatemala.

Flush with new recruits from Central America, whether fleeing the law or accompanying parents seeking work along the immigrant trail, MS-13 members have set up cliques—geographically defined subgroups—in such remote redoubts as Boise, Idaho, and Omaha, Neb. In these new settings, gang culture often morphs. "Everything gets bastardized as it leaves the center," says Wes McBride, president of the California Gang Investigators Association. While machete attacks might occur on the East Coast, they're rare on the West Coast. While car thefts and drug trafficking might be big in North Carolina, gang-on-gang violence predominates in Virginia. It's that decentralized nature of MS-13—with no clear hierarchy or structure—that makes it so vexing to authorities. "Taking out the heart of the leadership is very hard if there is no definitive leadership," says one federal law-enforcement official.

But that could be changing. According to a 2004 report by the National Drug Intelligence Center, the gang "may be increasing its coordination with MS-13 chapters in Los Angeles, Washington, D.C./Northern Virginia, and New York City, possibly signaling an attempt to build a national command structure." One potential illustration of such an effort: on New York's Long Island last year, an MS-13 honcho arrived from the West Coast "to try to organize these various cliques or sets into a more formal structure," says Robert Hart, supervisory special agent with the FBI. "That's a significant step in the development of MS-13." And in northern Virginia, U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty observes that "in some of the violent crimes, there seems to be a kind of approval process in some kind of hierarchy beyond the clique."?

If MS-13 is seeking to create a national command in the United States, it would be emulating its model in El Salvador. There, says Oscar Bonilla, director of the National Council for Public Security, the gang is "highly organized and disciplined ... with semi-clandestine structures and vertical commands." As a result, its criminal operations are all the more efficient and pervasive. The administration of President Tony Saca has responded with a super mano dura ("super hard hand") policy, reforming the penal code to facilitate gang prosecutions. "We're not dealing with Boy Scouts or bums," Saca told NEWSWEEK. "We're dealing with true assassins, rapists."

In the United States, Clifford's new national task force, which will be housed at FBI headquarters, is preparing a hard hand of its own. Serving as a national repository for MS-13 intelligence, it will help discern trends, prioritize targets and diagram whatever leadership structure might exist. There's an international dimension, too: U.S. investigators will be exchanging information—such as a gang member's movements and associates—with their counterparts in Central America. FBI agents sitting in regional U.S. embassies will serve as liaisons with local authorities, and Salvadoran advisers will come to the United States to share their MS-13 expertise. All of which amounts to "a comprehensive international attack against MS-13," says Clifford.

But some kinks remain. In the recent sweep conducted by ICE, the agency nabbed a gang member whom the FBI was intensely interested in. "This was not somebody we were ready to scoop up," says a federal law-enforcement official, who complains that ICE didn't alert other agencies of its impending raid. (An ICE spokeswoman insists that all targets were cleared with other agencies. Another ICE official grumbles that "the bureau thinks it has jurisdiction over everything.") Meanwhile, down in El Salvador, officials fear the repercussions of another batch of MS-13 deportees heading their way. "Those deportations are a time bomb," says Bonilla. "When a gang member is deported from the United States, it destroys in one month what we've achieved in a year of [gang-prevention work]." For authorities to succeed in this war, they'll need to cooperate at least as well as the gang they're trying to wipe out.

With Daren Briscoe, Daniel Klaidman and Michael Isikoff in Washington, Jennifer Ordonez in Los Angeles, Joseph Contreras in Miami and Alvaro Cruz in San Salvador

I only seeing this getting worse, I live in a fairly small town and it is already implacting here. It is going to be worse then the crips or the bloods. They will make that look like a pissing contest.

 

Yeah, gangs. Blah blah blah.

Fuck me, I'm so over this forum.

 

Chester most of the time on the gang thing I'm with you. But these guys I have done research on all day and they are dangrous.

 

Fuck yeah. There isn't a safe brick wall in all of America.

 

:lol:

 

If the government will not protect you then you just have to take it upon yourself. Of course the only small amount of protection the government could have given was to prevent them from comming in. If an MS13 gang member or anybody for that matter told you in your face he was going to kill both you and your family. What could you do about it? What could the government do about it?

 

Yeah well see thats when 911 comes in handy I know you have heard of it.

 

as in Colt. You get sneered at for saying it but it’s true. There is nothing the local officer friendly can do to protect you. It’s up to you yourself alone.

I say if you get the opportunity take them out before they take you out. But then that would be a hate crime.

Now there’s another classic case of irony. Hate crime, not all murders are a hate crime although I thought it was a pretty hateful thing to do.

 

One of the problems with living in an open society. Your poor, your weak, and your huddled masses are sometimes violent gang members. Unless we want a dramatic expansion of government police powers than things like this are going to exist. As for saying "The problem with illegal immigrants" these are gang members, hardly indicative of their people as a whole.

 

Yeah but this is what is crossing the border unchecked.

 

Amongst other things, but no argument that this is a huge problem. Maybe more of a task then the government is up to.

 

First of all let me say that I actually have a good degree of admiration for the Spanish people of Central America. Generally speaking I believe they are good people. The Dems are going to go to work on them and stir up hatred against whitey with them just like the blacks as soon as they figure out how to do it and not piss off and loose the stake they have in the Black community. Generally here in Texas were talking about Mexican people. And generally they are peaceful, law abiding, god fearing (you may take offense to that Dio but it means they have a moral base based on common sense standards) people. MS13 will probably change that image over night and common sense will be out the window. The liberals will start preaching that the Mexicans are getting an unfair bad rap. The solution to all this will be to vote for a democrat in office. And there you go the libs have the Hispanics wrapped up and stuck in their back pocket also.

And like I said the government cannot protect any one its up to the person to protect them self. The only thing the government could have done was its best effort to keep undesirables out. And undesirable means MS13 not Hispanics.

 

I have no problem with invoking god, that's all well and good. I just am a big fan of George Carlins eleventh comandment. "Though shalt keep thy religion to thyself." If your religious, that's cool, it's your life, do what you want with it. Just don't try and force it on anyone else. As far as your "liberal" conspiracy, I don't see John Kerry and Diane Feinstein pulling those cards. It's individuals, not the democrats as a whole that's pulling that. You also forget that the way the Republican party one over the south from the democrats is by opposing the civil rights movement and the forced integration of schools in the sixties. Don't hear liberals really fighting about that, now do we. The fact of the matter is that talk of a liberal conspiracy is a joke, they're not that organized.

 

Who passed the civil rights bill?

 

Johnson. After the civil rights bill was pushed through the south turned from being dyed in the wool democrats to mostly republican states. I think they view it as another example of the federal "Yankee" government overstepping it's bounds.

 

From: Ann Coulter.org

If Ann Coulter speaks there at your collage or Matt Drudge for that matter I highly advise you go. Rarely do you see anyone with the amount of wit between those two. Readily available at will.

 

Matt Drudge maybe. Ann Coulter is an idiot and a nobody. I don't know why she's given a national forum to speak. For every decent point that she has a rational opinio about she puts her foot in her mouth for 3 others. She's nothing more than a female bill O'reilly. She likes to use bully tactics and unfair formats. I've never seen her in a fair debate that she actually did well on. She's certainly a fiery character though, and I respect that at least.

 

Dig deeper Dio don't be a tool now for the system. While I'm sure the collage professors you are taught by are very liberal. The fact is it was the Dems that Filibustered the Civil rights bill and, on another note it was the Dems that wiretapped Martin Luther King.

They always want to have there cake and eat it to. Were it not for the republicans the bill would have never made it to Johnson. This it typical of what I'm talking about when I say there is an attempt to rewrite history.

 

None of that matters in context of what I'm talking about. That's not why the south turned Republican. I know is was the Republicans who passed the civil rights bill, and it was Eisenhower who enforced Brown v. Topeka Board of Education, I know the Republicans did there part. It doesn't change the fact that the South held Johnson responsible for the civil rights bill.

 

Yeah but its taking a valid point that the Blacks do not owe the Democrats for every advancement they have ever had, as they are led to believe. And it proves that the Republicans are not the great evil that the Blacks are taught to believe.

You doing what is always done in today’s liberal institutions, the rule of thumb is if you have no choice but to admit a true fact that would shed light on the point that Conservatives are not the great evil. Then at least make a counter point to hopefully make it null and void. They use the same tactic with regards to Abe Lincoln "Sure he was a republican but the partied have flopped and the republicans then are the democrats now."
Either that or that he was gay. I’m tired though and probably getting a little incoherent, better signoff.