Why I love the NRA

Discussion in 'More Serious Topics' started by phatboy, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. phatboy

    phatboy New Member

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    While I have made my feelings about guns clear on here in the past, I do believe it is every citizens right to choose for themselves. The right to bear arms is what afforded this country tha ability to break away from the tyranny of Britain. If our government should move against us, it also provides us the means to replace said government.

    NRA and Hillary agree??

    :)
     
  2. Joeslogic

    Joeslogic Active Member

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    Two "Red Herrings" the democrats are using

    To distract from their failures involving the mortgage crisis and the resultant market slump.

    (which BTW is gonna bounce potentially wildly erratically due to the infusion of 700 billion into the market of which the dummies that lost their homes will not see)

    Wall Street Journal Oct 8 2008

    Bill v. Barack on Banks
    Clinton instructs Obama on finance and Phil Gramm.

    **** The left is looking for legislation that they can call "de-regulation" to blame the crisis on. ****

    A running cliché of the political left and the press corps these days is that our current financial problems all flow from Congress's 1999 decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 that separated commercial and investment banking. Barack Obama has been selling this line every day. Bill Clinton signed that "deregulation" bill into law, and he knows better.

    In BusinessWeek.com, Maria Bartiromo reports that she asked the former President last week whether he regretted signing that legislation. Mr. Clinton's reply: "No, because it wasn't a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter.

    "But I have really thought about this a lot. I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill."

    One of the writers of that legislation was then-Senator Phil Gramm, who is now advising John McCain, and who Mr. Obama described last week as "the architect in the United States Senate of the deregulatory steps that helped cause this mess." Ms. Bartiromo asked Mr. Clinton if he felt Mr. Gramm had sold him "a bill of goods"?

    Mr. Clinton: "Not on this bill I don't think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can't possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence.

    "But I can't blame [the Republicans]. This wasn't something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for [commercial banks] to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment."

    We agree that Mr. Clinton isn't wrong about everything. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed the Senate on a 90-8 vote, including 38 Democrats and such notable Obama supporters as Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle -- oh, and Joe Biden. Mr. Schumer was especially fulsome in his endorsement.

    As for the sins of "deregulation" more broadly, this is a political fairy tale. The least regulated of our financial institutions -- hedge funds -- have posed the least systemic risks in the current panic. The big investment banks that got into the most trouble could have made the same mortgage investments before 1999 as they did afterwards. One of their problems was that Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns weren't diversified enough. They prospered for years through direct lending and high leverage via the likes of asset-backed securities without accepting commercial deposits. But when the panic hit, this meant they lacked an adequate capital cushion to absorb losses.

    Meanwhile, commercial banks that had heavier capital requirements were struggling to compete with the Wall Street giants throughout the 1990s. Some of the deposit-taking banks that were allowed to diversify after 1999, such as J.P. Morgan and Bank of America, are now in a stronger position to withstand the current turmoil. They have been able to help stabilize the financial system through acquisitions of Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Merrill Lynch and Countrywide Financial.

    Mr. Obama's "deregulation" trope may be good politics, but it's bad history and is dangerous if he really believes it. The U.S. is going to need a stable, innovative financial system after this panic ends, and we won't get that if Mr. Obama and his media chorus think the answer is to return to Depression-era rules amid global financial competition. Perhaps the Senator should ask the former President for a briefing.

    THIS IS THE MOST STANDUP THING I HAVE EVER SEEN BILL CLINTON DO.
    I have to give him credit

    -Secondly-

    Credit Default Contracts

    They have been around for hundreds of years they are not insurance policies perse they are simply put complicated contracts.

    Billions of dollars worth of these were sold on the markets and taken out by mortgage investors to cover the investors ass.

    There was a huge gargantuan spike in the use of these in the past few years. The Democrats are trying to blame these on Republicans and lack of regulation. The fact of the matter is these contracts many of which are not worth the paper they were written on are not the product of Republican lack of regulation. They are rather the product of mortgage investors being strong-armed by the government to make bad mortgages.

    Before when people put 5 , 10 , or 20% down on a home (at 20 % they no longer were forced to buy mortgage insurance) and were required to have a credit rating in the 650 range before they were considered for a loan. There simply was little to no risk involved and no need to have these contracts.

    Think of the CDS contracts surge and the Community Reinvestment Act mystery simply like the question of "Which came first the chicken or the egg" you know one superseded the other. You know one is a product of the other.

    We know Carter started the CRA in the late 70's and it was strengthened in the 90's. The surge in CDS contracts started ~2007 when attempts to reign in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were blocked by the new Democrat congress and investors started seeing the writing on the wall.
     
  3. Joeslogic

    Joeslogic Active Member

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    Sorry Phat

    Oops sorry Phat I was meaning to start a new thread not to hijack yours.

    And I lost rights to edit post a while back.
     

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