This thread is an open (minded) investigation into the subject. In other words, don't turn it into a smug/sarcy 'you're wrong - i'm right' dick measuring contest. "The height in feet (1,776ft) is symbolic"... Very...
I'll get back to you on this one. Seems we may have found something to talk about that we may actually agree on. A little.
Long history of widow's sons in my family Nursey. I wanted to know a little too much before I was willing to be led around blindfolded with a noose around my neck. I found out all I needed to know, and have spoke openly against the Mason's for a long time. It has cost me dearly. The cult of Freemasonry is an evil assault on the souls of men. The part that makes me so angry is that 98% of the people who proudly hide their generative principle behind a lambskin have no clue what is really going on around them. More later. My blood boileth.
So far, we agree. But what are your reasons? Because if we were in full agreement, i would expect your political views to be in line with my own.
I am not really answering your question - just rambling. (please avoid the obvious comeback that would say something like, " as you always do.") The first two columns of the new "Freedom Towers" are the modern day equivalent of a cornerstone laying. Freemasons have laid the cornerstones for a multitude of projects. There is no question in my mind of the symbolism. Did you notice that the length vs the girth matches the proportions of the Washington Monument? Mason's are big on Phallic symbols, hence I am sure there was much hoopla when these symbols were "erected" It sounds like a stretch to say that, unless you do a little research and find it happens over and over again. One of the commands in the initiation right is for the hapless and bewildered initiate to "stand erect." I've seen it. I know for sure. The history of Phallic worship goes back forever - In the book of Daniel 3:1 (Bible) a statue of gold was "erected" that was built on a 10-1 scale - 9 feet base, 90 feet tall. History points that this "image" was a huge erect penis. Interesting that the Washington Monument is 550 feet tall and has a 55 foot base. The repeated numbers do have meaning. I would bet the freedom columns have the same proportions. Freemasonry is dangerous for more reasons that I can list here. I'll write more when I calm down. In the mean time, here is the great secret of Masonry - told only to the highest levels of those "who look only for "more light." The great secret? Well the great secret is that there is no secret. The illumination that is promised at the end of journey is really just another series of unanswered questions. Freemasonry is the biggest elitest scam on earth - deceiving millions to fund and perform the whims of a few.
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...the dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice, Nursey and Barry agreeing - mass hysteria. Goodbye, cruel world! :'(
We do this for a day or two every year around Christmas. Same respect that Red Barron gave to Snopy when he heard the bells below. http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/snoopys.htm
The Khazars (before they converted to Judaism) were into phallus worship. And a supreme masonic courthouse was recently built in Jerusalem funded by the Rothschilds. Just saying. Do you really think all that power has been harnassed throughout the centuries for nothing? That ultimately, it just evaporates off into the ethers? Aren't you perhaps only seeing the network/structure up to the cut off point...i.e. you are forgetting to to include the 'crystal capstone' of the pyramid in your view. The 'All Seeing Eye' at the pinnacle of power where the super elite masons...eg. the Rothschild's and other money worshipping, well, Lucifarians!? get up to no good.
This is probably where we drift apart in opinion, but Christmas is over, so .... I personally believe that an Evil Force of some kind - call it or him Satan, The Devil, Lucifer, or whatever. I don't believe that he has a pitchfork and horns, or even a body for that matter. "He" is most likely a spiritual being or an opposing force to "Good." He may be the collective mind of man or something, I don't know. It is this force that drives the minds of many powerful people. Since this spiritual force has only one plan, yet many players, it looks like there is a grand conspiracy between men such as the Rothchild's et al. The truth is, THEY are also pawns. There is only one real player, and he is not a human. My point is this - if you ended Freemasonry, or exposed the hidden efforts of the elite, it won't change anything. Others men or other orders would rise to fill the void. The Bible says it this way - " For we don't wrestle with flesh and blood, but with principalities, and powers, and spiritual wickedness in high places."
Actually, Christmas isn't over yet, and it may surprise you to hear that i tend to agree. But i think it is the force which drives the minds of ALL the most powerful people, with the odd exception maybe.
Have you ever considerded that to be a "powerful person", you must be the type of person that is "pawn material?" In other words, Narcissistic, elitist, egocentric, grandiose, supremist, etc..
That's what i meant in another thread about 'the people who want power the most are the very ones who shouldn't have it'.
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So the Illuminutty is just a 'pyramid' scheme of epic proportions? Damn I thought they really knew why we were here and our purpose, but were keeping it from us. As in something that was actually illuminating once somebody reaches high enough.
Are you (sarcastically) referring to this? The highest levels of the lower portion of the pyramid, anyway. The capstone region, which floats above this part and which represents gold instead of stone* will be another matter. The gold capstone of the pyramid with the all seeing eye is the area of elite power or illumination, the stone area which makes up most of the pyramid representing the blind subservience of the slaves - masons - who make up or build the structure. But who are the 'few'? *Pyramid of Cheops to Get Gold Capstone for 2000 Celebration
some strange number facts.. 911 is a prime, it is also made up of 3 consecutive primes(293 + 307 + 311). there were 911 days between 9/11 (the event) and the madrid bombings which happened on the 11th march 2004 (311) do the numbers 293 or 307 refer to any significant dates? The next prime number after 311 is 313.. The difference between 293 and 307 is 14 the difference between 307 and 311 is 4 the difference between 311 and 313 is 2 14+4+2 = 20 & 9 + 11 = 20 Also 311+911 = 1222 1222 is not prime, but there is a prime at 1223 Acording to Mayan prophecies/predicitons, the Long Count will end around 21 december. (1221) So there you go, 10 minutes of 'research', Perhaps there maybe some other fascinating links, not sure if this really means anything either, but ah well.