Population Control

Nursey · Dec 30, 2004

I'm interested to hear your views on both the following articles.

WORLD DEPOPULATION IS TOP NSA AGENDA: CLUB OF ROME

A Timely Repost:

The Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy by Lonnie Wolfe

Special Report EIR (Executive Intelligence Review) March 10, 1981

Investigations by EIR have uncovered a planning apparatus operating outside the control of the White House whose sole purpose is to reduce the world's population by 2 billion people through war, famine, disease and any other means necessary. This apparatus, which includes various levels of the government is determining U.S. foreign policy. In every political hotspot -- El Salvador, the so-called arc of crisis in the Persian Gulf, Latin America, Southeast Asia and in Africa- the goal of U.S. foreign policy is population reduction. The targeting agency for the operation is the National Security Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy. Its policy-planning group is in the U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs, established in 1975 by Henry Kissinger. This group drafted the Carter administration's Global 2000 document, which calls for global population reduction, and the same apparatus is conducting the civil war in El Salvador as a conscious depopulation project.

"There is a single theme behind all our work-we must reduce population levels," said Thomas Ferguson, the Latin American case officer for the State Department's Office of Population Affairs (OPA). "Either they [governments] do it our way, through nice clean methods or they will get the kind of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran, or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it "The professionals," said Ferguson, "aren't interested in lowering population for humanitarian reasons. That sounds nice. We look at resources and environmental constraints. We look at our strategic needs, and we say that this country must lower its population-or else we will have trouble.

So steps are taken. El Salvador is an example where our failure to lower population by simple means has created the basis for a national security crisis. The government of El Salvador failed to use our programs to lower their population. Now they get a civil war because of it.... There will be dislocation and food shortages. They still have too many people there."

Civil wars are somewhat drawn-out ways to reduce population, the OPA official added. "The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa or through disease like the Black Death," all of which might occur in El Salvador. Ferguson's OPA monitors populations in the Third World and maps strategies to reduce them. Its budget for FY 1980 was $190 million; for FY 198l, it will be $220 million. The Global 2000 report calls for doubling that figure. The sphere of Kissinger In 1975, OPA was brought under a reorganized State Department Bureau of Oceans, International Environmental, and Scientific Affairs-- a body created by Henry Kissinger.

The agency was assigned to carry out the directives of the NSC Ad Hoc Group. According to an NSC spokesman, Kissinger initiated both groups after discussion with leaders of the Club of Rome during the 1974 population conferences in Bucharest and Rome. The Club of Rome, controlled by Europe's black nobility, is the primary promotion agency for the genocidal reduction of world population levels. The Ad Hoc Group was given "high priority" by the Carter administration, through the intervention of National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and Secretaries of State Cyrus Vance and Edmund Muskie.

According to OPA expert Ferguson, Kissinger initiated a full about-face on U.S. development policy toward the Third World. "For a long time," Ferguson stated, "people here were timid" They listened to arguments from Third World leaders that said that the best contraceptive was economic reform and development. So we pushed development programs, and we helped create a population time bomb. "We are letting people breed like flies without allowing for natural causes to keep population down. We raised the birth survival rates, extended life-spans by lowering death rates, and did nothing about lowering birth rates.

That policy is finished. We are saying with Global 2000 and in real policy that you must lower population rates. Population reduction and control is now our primary policy objective- then you can have some development."Accordingly, the Bureau of Oceans, International Environmental, and Scientific Affairs has consistently blocked industrialization policies in the Third World, denying developing nations access to nuclear energy technology--the policies that would enable countries to sustain a growing population. According to State Department sources, and Ferguson himself, Alexander Haig is a "firm believer" in population control.

"We will go into a country," said Ferguson, "and say, here is your goddamn development plan. Throw it out the window. Start looking at the size of your population and figure out what must be done to reduce it."If you don't like that, if you don't want to choose to do it through planning, then you'll have an El Salvador or an Iran, or worse, a Cambodia."According to an NSC spokesman, the United States now shares the view of former World Bank President Robert McNamara that the "population crisis" is a greater threat to U.S. national security interests than "nuclear annihilation." "Every hot spot in the world corresponds to a population crisis point," said Ferguson who would rename Brzezinski's arc of crisis doctrine the "arc of population crisis."

This is corroborated by statements in the NSC Ad Hoc Group's April 1980 report. There is "an increased potential for social unrest, economic and political instability, mass migration and possible international conflicts over control of land and resources," says the NSC report. It then cites "demographic pressures" as key to understanding "examples of recent warfare in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, El Salvador. Honduras, and Ethiopia, and the growing potential forinstability in such places as Turkey, the Philippines, Central America, Iran, and Pakistan." Through extraordinary efforts, the Ad Hoc Group and OPA estimate that they may be able to keep a billion people from being born through contraceptive programs.

But as the Ad Hoc Group's report states, the best efforts of the Shah of Iran to institute "clean programs" of birth control failed to make a significant dent in the country's birth rate. The promise of jobs, through an ambitious industrialization program, encouraged migration toward "overcrowded cities" like Teheran. Now under Ayatollah Khomeini, the "clean programs" have been dismantled. The government may make progress because it has a program "to induce up to half of Teheran's 6 million residents to relocate, as well as possible measures to keep rural migrants from moving to the cities." Behind the back of the President Ferguson and others involved with the OPA and NSC group maintain that the United States will continue a foreign policy based on a genocidal reduction of the world's population.

"We have a network in place of cothinkers in the government," said the OPA case officer. "We keep going, no matter who is in the White House." But Ferguson reports that the "White House" does not really understand what they are saying and that the President "thinks that population policy means how do we speed up population increase. "As long as no one says differently," said Ferguson, "we will continue to do our jobs. "
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Kissinger, Eugenics And Depopulation

By Leuren Moret
Nov 21, 2004

Dr. Henry Kissinger, who wrote: "Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." Research on population control, preventing future births, is now being carried out secretly by biotech companies. Dr. Ignacio Chapela, a University of California microbiologist, discovered that wild corn in remote parts of Mexico is contaminated with lab altered DNA.

That discovery made him a threat to the biotech industry. Chapela was denied tenure at UC Berkeley when he reported this to the scientific community, despite the embarrassing discovery that UC Chancellor Berdahl, who was denying him tenure, was getting large cash payments - $40,000 per year - from the LAM Research Corp. in Plano, Texas.

Berdahl served as president of Texas A&M University before coming to Berkeley. During a presentation about his case, Chapela revealed that a spermicidal corn developed by a U.S. company is now being tested in Mexico. Males who unknowingly eat the corn produce non-viable sperm and are unable to reproduce. Depopulation, also known as eugenics, is quite another thing and was proposed under the Nazis during World War II. It is the deliberate killing off of large segments of living populations and was proposed for Third World countries under President Carter's administration by the National Security Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy.

National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says "Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... "

Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S. Depopulation policy became the top priority under the NSC agenda, Club of Rome and U.S. policymakers like Gen. Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed Muskie and Kissinger. According to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of former World Bank President Robert McNamara that the "population crisis" is a greater threat to U.S. national security interests than nuclear annihilation.

In 1975, Henry Kissinger established a policy-planning group in the U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs. The depopulation "GLOBAL 2000" document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared. It is no surprise that this policy was established under President Carter with help from Kissinger and Brzezinski - all with ties to David Rockefeller.

The Bush family, the Harriman family - the Wall Street business partners of Bush in financing Hitler - and the Rockefeller family are the elite of the American eugenics movement. Even Prince Philip of Britain, a member of the Bilderberg Group, is in favor of depopulation.

If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels" (Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund, quoted in "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995). Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been proposing, funding and building Bio-Weapons Level 3 and Level 4 labs at many places around the U.S. even on university campuses and in densely populated urban locations.

In a Bio-Weapons Level 4 facility, a single bacteria or virus is lethal. Bio-Weapons Level 4 is the highest level legally allowed in the continental U.S.<for font mayor She suddenly reversed her position after a monkey escaped from a high security primate facility on the campus where the bio-weapons lab was proposed. Residents claimed that if UC Davis could not keep monkeys from escaping from their cages, they certainly could not guarantee that a single virus or bacteria would not escape from a test tube. The AWOL monkey killed the project.
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ucicare · Dec 30, 2004

Just a quick reality check -

March 10, 1981 - wriiten only 24 years ago.
outside the control of the White House - "so the white house is cleared?"
National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974 - hey, only 3o years ago

This whole post is just more evidence of Nursey's delusions and hair splitting diatribes against the US. I once believed that Nursey was just a brilliant but misguided intellectual from the UK. I now see that she is a brilliant but misguided lunatic from a country that has no clue about the morals, values, and backbone of America. I for one, am tired of the conspiracies and anti-American rhetoric. It is not humorous any more. America is bigger than it's government. It is made up of people. People who by and large are moral, decent, compassionate, caring, ethical, kind, generous, tolerant and intelligent. I am tired of the stereotypes, and the ARROGANCE of people who know nothing of this country, yet stand afar off and take shots at her. I wouldn't trade my citizenship for a fortune if it meant I had to live in any other country on earth.

Post like the one that started this thread serve no purpose other that to waste bandwidth.

Barry

Nursey · Dec 30, 2004

I asked for people's views on the articles, Barry, not their personal opinions on me. :? Anyway, anyone else?

pimpchichi · Dec 30, 2004

oh i see barry :x ... your opinion of the uk changed alongside your opinion of nursey....what a fickle 'special relationship' friend you are... at least my country had the balls and backbone to call a spade a spade and be open about it's empirical ambitions....

and where do i learn about these morals and values?... oh i know.. i'll look through that window to the world that america has open to show us all it's morals and values... the silver screen... hmm what shall i watch first?.. kids?.. crash?..

ucicare · Dec 30, 2004

PimpDaddy said:

oh i see barry :x ... your opinion of the uk changed alongside your opinion of nursey....what a fickle 'special relationship' friend you are... at least my country had the balls and backbone to call a spade a spade and be open about it's empirical ambitions....

and where do i learn about these morals and values?... oh i know.. i'll look through that window to the world that america has open to show us all it's morals and values... the silver screen... hmm what shall i watch first?.. kids?.. crash?..
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News Flash - every American that I know loathes HOLLYWIERD. The silver screen is used by the most immoral and disenfranchised Anericans to their versions of perversion and corruption. Hollywood may be in America, but it is does not represent America. The fact that it exists is just further evidence of America's freedom and tolerance. I hate HOLLYWIERD.

Barry

Reizvolles · Dec 30, 2004

Yes, I can see you being very tollerant of other people's opinions and views, Barry. Fucking hypocrite.

pimpchichi · Dec 30, 2004

hey barry... if we ignore the cradle and the cross... (since thats just marketing and fuck all to do with the mesage)... and just take into account what jesus had to say and what he was trying to teach us... what do you think his opinion would be about the base of power in america (y'know.. the golden calf.. money is god etc..).... and how do you think he would view what you are doing to the world in his name??..

this is a question i have asked often btw.. but i don't think the irony of a credit based society calling itself christian has registered so far

ucicare · Dec 30, 2004

Reizvolles said:

Yes, I can see you being very tollerant of other people's opinions and views, Barry. Fucking hypocrite.
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Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I am intolerant.

Wake up Reiv. You live in this country. Most Americans don't spend their days smoking pot and screwing. Grow up.

Barry

Reizvolles · Dec 30, 2004

Newsflash, Barry. I don't live in the United Socialists of America. I live in one of the countries of "terrorists" as you class Nursey and crew.

ucicare · Dec 30, 2004

Reizvolles said:

Newsflash, Barry. I don't live in the United Socialists of America. I live in one of the countries of "terrorists" as you class Nursey and crew.
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That explains a lot.

(refocuses mind control antennae a little to the west)

Barry

Reizvolles · Dec 30, 2004

Can we please get back to the fucking discussion and stop giving a fuck about some anally retentive american nazi thinks? Please? Someone flush the shit and let's start again on the topic. I think Nursey was wanting to know people's views on the articles, not the narrow-mindedness of a one-tracked minded, overly patriotic american nazi.

(please note my lack of capitals - this is on purpose)

ucicare · Dec 30, 2004

Ok Reiv, back on topic

"Investigations by EIR have uncovered a planning apparatus operating outside the control of the White House whose sole purpose is to reduce the world's population by 2 billion people through war, famine, disease and any other means necessary. This apparatus, which includes various levels of the government is determining U.S. foreign policy."

This statement was made 23 years ago. check the poulation of the countries mentioned. Even if it was true, it had absolutely no effect. The countries continuie to boom.

The post is a waste of band width, because it says and proves absolutely nothing. Period.

And I am definetly not a Nazi.

Barry

Reizvolles · Dec 31, 2004

Well please don't act like one, Barry. Picking apart everyone's opinions is what gets you a label like this. Trying to get everyone to see your way just won't work. That's exactly what Hitler was doing. Trying to make everyone like him. It's never going to work.

And thank you for making a valid argument on the origonal post. That's what Cold Sober is all about.

If you want to critisize other countries or specific people, that belongs in the freedom of speach thread. And that goes for everyone. I know I am guilty of it too. I think Fugly wants to keep this a proverbial serene thread with constructive critisism; not slagging off at each other, or other countries ect.

Nauseous · Jan 1, 2005

Oh, okay... then I guess Fugly would have to undertake the arduous task of moving the majority of Nursey's threads over to the Freedom of Speech Forum.

Whatever. The threads belong here as well as everyone's opinions. In case you haven't noticed, opinions are like assholes and as long as you're surrounded by people, you're surrounded by assholes.... I mean, opinons...

To be honest, I wasn't interested enough to read the articles in their entirety. As soon as I realized where it was going, my brain turned into that of a beloved American cartoon character (Butthead) and all I saw were words[\i].

And Reiz... I don't appreciate you throwing around the word nazi. Go read about the Holocaust and familiarize yourself with the nazis before you go around calling someone something so horrible.

Anyway, I think if someone were posting thread upon thread about the evils of the country that you live in (and they don't live in), you would get sick of it also. It's not "hey, guys, look what I found" type of thread, it's a "hey you fucking americans, look at what an evil country you live in" type of thread. I don't care what anyone says, the threads are directed at Americans, hence the reason why my fellow Americans get defensive.

And yes, it's all about us. Because WE'RE ALL SO FUCKING ARROGANT.

"The world looks to America because we are the beautiful."

Reizvolles · Jan 1, 2005

Do I honestly look like I give a fuck what you think, Barfy?

I said he was one in the sense that he wants everyone to be like him, exactly like Hitler did. I don't think Barry has killed any Jews lately and he hasn't committed Genocide for at least a few years. So that's the furtherest the similarities go.

ucicare · Jan 1, 2005

Reizvolles said:

Do I honestly look like I give a fuck what you think, Barfy?

I said he was one in the sense that he wants everyone to be like him, exactly like Hitler did. I don't think Barry has killed any Jews lately and he hasn't committed Genocide for at least a few years. So that's the furtherest the similarities go.
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.....and I don't have mustache, so there.

Barry

Reizvolles · Jan 1, 2005

You have the very round face though. And the advancing years.

unlimited-time · Jan 1, 2005

Pukey don't be so niave in associating Nazism with germany.It may have started there but it is well alive and kicking in many countries now.Even your own, so Reiz has every right in saying someone is behaving in a Nazi fashion.Here's a little tip bit from the American Nazi Party.

The year is 2025, White people HAVE become a MINORITY in America. On our streets hang Aryan men who refused to accept the "New Way," or perhaps they just looked too White. Perhaps they never thought MUD RULE would really come.

White girls who refuse the advances of Negroids, are publicly gang-raped so as to serve as examples to other shuddering Aryan females. Children are now taken from their houses, by force, to be brought up in a "Multi-Cultural" home of Negroids, Arabs, Muslims and Gooks, all in the name of "brotherhood and love"...
And yet, some fight back! Alone or in small cells, Aryans...men and boys...but most of all women who stand the most to lose, since the decline of real men among the White Folk, strike back...at night and with any weapon near at hand.

How often do the hunted Whites think back to the "old days," when action and dedicated work, might have Reached, Educated and Organized enough of our folk, to have averted what now seems like a hopeless Hell. All the old excuses for not working for the Movement...My Job...My Money...My Friends...My Fun...My Beer, all gone. All the boasting, but never REALLY sacrificing for what they knew was coming, now it's too late, too late, TOO LATE. Are YOU a TALKER or do YOU make a difference now?
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And not a Jew in sight.

JEFE · Jan 1, 2005

Reizvolles said:

If you want to critisize other countries or specific people, that belongs in the freedom of speach thread. And that goes for everyone. I know I am guilty of it too. I think Fugly wants to keep this a proverbial serene thread with constructive critisism; not slagging off at each other, or other countries ect.
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Thank you for saying this. I think that this is something people need to be reminded of from time to time.

ucicare · Jan 1, 2005

Reizvolles said:

You have the very round face though. And the advancing years.
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You are right. I was a college graduate before you were even born. I guess all the years of experience are making me more ignorant by the day. How sad, because when I ws 19, I knew everything.

Barry

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