When Army Lt. Col Wayne Mosley returned from Iraq and listened to what the national media were reporting, he thought they must be talking about another war. "I said, 'Wait a minute. That was not the war I was at.'" he told members of the Augusta Kiwanis Club on Monday. Since then, Lt. Col Mosley, an orthopedic surgeon from Vidalia, Ga., has completed two tours in Afghanistan and is gearing up for another tour in Iraq, where orthopedic surgeons are in short supply. Between tours, he has crisscrossed the state, speaking to folks from Waycross to Woodstock and from Augusta to Thomasville. "What I like to do is tell people what I found over there because I don't think the electronic media (do) much depth in the whole process," he said after Monday's meeting. "And I think they leave a lot of really important things out, especially the fact we're protecting schools and we've got a generation of Afghanis that like us now; dispelling the myths about Iraq, how we're not totally responsible for their electrical problems. We didn't starve these people. That was their government." Lt. Col. Mosley said he thinks most Americans want to hear what's really happening in Iraq and want to process the information with their own political beliefs and thoughts about the war. "Right now, all they're hearing are little snippets, and most of the time they're not favorable to what's going on," he said. "I think more than anything, and you hear the fact that Islamic radicals - which I call them "Islamic whackos" now; that's what I think they are. These are people who will kill anyone for their power, for the sake of their power. That's you or I. Right now it's the people in Iraq, but it could easily be people here in Augusta or Vidalia." While the national news reports the death of every American soldier, the Iraqis kill 100 civilians a day, which doesn't get reported, he contended. Lt. Col. Mosley said Islamic radicals have the best defense system in the world by dressing like civilians. They have crossed the line and are killing their own brothers, sisters and children, he said. For example, after a group of American soldiers had given candy to a group of about 60 children and left, they watched a white car come down the road and drive into the children. If they are willing to kill their own children, he said, they would have no problem getting a few to come across the ocean and kill Americans. During his presentation, Lt. Col. Mosley showed pictures of various sites and people in Iraq and Afghanistan, including the hospital the military built in Mosul, where he treated injured civilians, Iraqis, Islamic radicals and American soldiers alike. Everyone is treated the same, he said, which is a unique American trait. In many other countries, that is unheard of, he said. During the presentation on Afghanistan, he spoke of the brutality of the Taliban, which, he said, have no system of laws. He said that the Taliban prohibit children to be taught in schools and that if that prohibition is not followed, they blow up the school with the children inside. He recounted the case of a 7-year-old girl who somehow came into possession of a calculator. When it was discovered, she was tried and executed the same day, Lt. Col. Mosley said. He said the debate should not be whether the United States was right to invade Iraq but what Americans should be doing there today.
I like how Dr. Hick speaks about two totally different countries with two totally different races of people as if they are one and the same. Sure you didn't pen this, Phatboy? And treating the people of different countries, enemy and ally alike is a unique American trait? Don't tell me you've forgotten about America's sweetheart, Jessica Lynch? *snigger*
www.augustachronicle.com You have to register to read the whole article, but its in the Local News section. Last time I checked we didnt hack anyone head off.
No, you just gang rape 14 year old girls while their parents and younger brother are in the adjoining room getting their brains blown out, then shoot them and set fire to them before going off to barbecue chicken wings.
No, I do not do that. The same way you didnt string up failed athletes and torture and kill them after they failed to qualify for the olympics. Or gas the Kurds. Or execute over 180 people after a failed assasination attempt, back in the 80s. Or used women and children as shields because you were to coward to fight like the 'hero' you think you are. But you know we are just splitting hairs.
But it's you who made this a nice, simple discussion about 'us' and 'them', isn't it? P.S. Iran was responsible for Halabja, though that wouldn't have sold the invasion of Iraq to the gullible masses. P.P.S. It was 148 people Saddam signed the death warrants for after a failed assasination attempt. George W. Bush signed the death warrants for 152 people when he was governor of Texas, including one mentally subnormal woman. P.P.P.S. The propaganda doesn't tell the real story. In fact, quite often it tells the story in complete reverse.
I don't think there is such a thing as an 'innocent' ruler, apart from maybe the odd few exceptions eg. Ghandi. However, despite all the things you can say about Saddam, the evidence suggests that the chemical attack which killed the Kurds in Halabja was not his doing.
No I was simply posting an article that I found interesting, on a different perspective of the war in Iraq, and the campaign in Afghanistan. "dispelling the myths about Iraq, how we're not totally responsible for their electrical problems. We didn't starve these people. That was their government." "While the national news reports the death of every American soldier, the Iraqis kill 100 civilians a day, which doesn't get reported, he contended." "They have crossed the line and are killing their own brothers, sisters and children, he said." "He recounted the case of a 7-year-old girl who somehow came into possession of a calculator. When it was discovered, she was tried and executed the same day, Lt. Col. Mosley said." This is the stuff you dont read about. Nice place. When they arent shooting at you....
I was referring to this comment: And again in your last post you splice the comments about two very different places together as if they are the same place! This makes the information skewed to the point of being void. I'm afraid you are letting America off the hook there. All the problems that have arisen as a result of the invasion are America's responsibility. What you also don't read about is how the Americans (Negroponte anyone?) have foistered the sectarian violence in order to divide Iraq into 3 weak partitions.
So are you saying that these problems, as well as others, didnt exist prior to the Coalitions invasion of Iraq? Saddams soldiers never hoarded UN food? Killed those that didnt agree with his points of view? Yes, I know that the Afghanis and Iraqis are different people. The Iraqis, which I think they are more likely Syrians in Iraq, are the ones beheading not only soldiers, but innocent engineers and volunteers that have came to the country to help rebuild the Electrical plants and communication systems. To help people who are hurt, or who are hungry.
iraqis are perfectly capable of building their own power plants, schools, hospitals, communications, etc etc etc etc etc.. no contracts to outside corporations needed.. and they'd not want paying thousands per person etc
I really dont think the bill is being paid by the iraqi people. Or the Iraqi government for that. Of course you ask those in power in Iraq now if they want the US to withdraw completely tomorrow the answer would be no. If you ask the millions that voted if they wanted the US to pull out, and they would say no. I love the way this world works, everyone cries for help, then they cry for you to get out. We dont go in, "Why didnt America do something?" we go in "Why is America here, we can handle this our selfs" Oh yea, that was working out real well for you before.......hypocrites.
who asked for you to go in? ahmed chalabi?.. the CIA goldenboy (and iranian bedfellow)... a bunch of exiles?.. the ones who fed you false intelligence?.. told you what you wanted to hear?... what about those there who asked for ASSISTANCE with their uprising.. then were left to be slaughtered... nobody wanted you there... except maybe the israelis..
But who slaughtered them? I think the whole thing should have been done in the first gulf war. Been done with it. I dont know why they stopped. they shouldnt have. We had already proven that the "Elite Guard" wasnt really all that elite, and that the people were behind us. But that was to aid kuwait and saudi arabia. But then again hindsight is 20/20, and everyone knows better now than they did then. So saying, "Fed bad information", doesnt make sense. At the time, no one said, "Hey that sounds like BullShit" did they? No, why? Cause they didnt know. "Hey Saddam has nukes" "Holy Shit, we gotta do something, after 9.11 if a nuke gets inside the border the ramifications could be tremendous, death toll could reach the hundreds of thousands...." "We need to have our pressure stepped up on inspectors inside Iraq" "Saddam wont let them 'inspect' and the inspectors fear for their lives" "Hmmm we should go to the UN and go in" "sounds good, but Russia is supplying them with nerve gas, and France is supplying them with medicine needed to counteract it" "Damn, thats fucked up" "Yea, so those two arent going to back us, but the Germans and English are in" "Tony Blair sounds funny" "Yea George, back to business" "Yes, you are right. So we are going in?" "Yep" "Do we need to go to congress?" "Yep" "How long will that take?" "6 months or so" "Won't CNN and FOX broadcast our plans?" "Yep" "Wont that give saddam time to move them to Syria, or Iran?" "Yep" "wont that kind of fuck up the whole finding WMDs?" "Yep" "How can we keep the people on our side?" "We cant, they all hate us over there" "Then why do we care what they do?" "Cause they (Islamic 'Radicals') hijacked 4 planes and killed thousands of people, for no other reason than they dont like our way of life, our prosperity" "That's seems like a pretty dumb reason" "Yep" "So will the world be a better place?" "It will take some time but yes, without saddam it will be a better place" "So after Afghanistan and Iraq, then where to?" "Well Iran and North Korea are asking for a little attention...."
but iraq was never a haven for islamic radicals... well..except maybe there was a small safe haven for them in the north of the country... y'know.. that part saddam wasn't allowed near.. the place that got all the US support...
