Lomo, I need your expert advice.

Discussion in 'More Serious Topics' started by Reizvolles, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. Reizvolles

    Reizvolles Active Member

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    I'm seriously thinking of getting a concealed weapons licence. I know there are ways to get them, even in this penal colony.

    OK, shut the f*ck up about my fashion sense and your lack thereof, and tell me what I should be packing if not a Glock 39? I just think it's a gorgeous gun. It has to match my style too. When is one of these firearms manufactures going to realise that people with fashion sense want a little protection too? And I don't mean rubbers, baby.

    And f*ck tasers. If someone wants to mess with me and my right to live or my right to not be raped, I am going to shoot to kill.
     
  2. Reizvolles

    Reizvolles Active Member

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    I have looked into this, and I should be able to get a licence. Here's the checklist:

    Who Can Apply?
    Anyone of or over the age of 18 years may apply for a Queensland Weapons Licence (persons aged 11 to 17 years may be eligible for a Minor’s Licence provided they satisfy the following criteria;

    • Be a permanent resident of Queensland (proof will be required on application)
    • Be a fit and proper person
    • A person is ineligible to hold a Weapons Act Licence if, within the past five years from the day before lodging their application, they have been convicted of offences including misuse of drugs, or weapons, and the use or threatened use of violence.
    • A person is ineligible to hold a Weapons Act Licence if they are or have been the subject of a domestic violence protection order in the past five years from lodgment of application.
    • Have a genuine reason for a licence
    • Have access to secure storage
    The main criterion, a genuine reason, is that I am an agent of the law who needs personal protection from possible malefactor encroaching upon my civil liberties.

    A Concealable Firearms (H) licence additionally may only be issued for the following genuine reasons:

    1. Sports or target shooting
    2. Primary production
    3. Some other occupational genuine reasons
    Of course, my reasoning is the third.

    I am about 90% sure I should be able to get a licence for a concealable weapon. Now, the golden question ...

    What would you recommend for this gal? I want something that's not going to knock me on my arse, or have too much "kick", and something that looks ... pretty.

    I know, I know. Pretty and functional probably don't go together, but you seem to be the best person to ask. I know my boss has a firearm, which is why I am seriously considering getting one. He goes to as shooting club right here on the coast. Would be a good way to learn how to handle it, so it's not just for "show".

    Thanks very much for your replies.
     
  3. phatboy

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    A 9mm glock is nice. I dont think it has the stopping power of a 40, but its light weight and easy to shoot. We have an indoor range where you can 'rent' a gun, its a good way to test one out if you have something similar down there.
     
  4. BullGod666

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    I think a Glock 23 in .40 cal. would be a good choice for concealment, I carry one and it hides nicely. If you need more punch, for about $100 US you can get high quality aftermarket barrels in .357 sig. It uses the same mags as the .40 and it's like getting two guns for the price of one. I use Stormlake barrels in my glocks.

    You could also go for a Sig P232 in .380 cal. they are light and shoot well.
     
  5. Nauseous

    Nauseous Active Member

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    Get a little .22. It'll fit in a small purse and they are super cute.

    I got one here in my office.

     
  6. Lomotil

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    Don't worry - I won't go into a debate over utility vs. aesthetics in this thread. You've posted what is certainly a serious topic, and one that I will try my best to not joke around in.

    The Glock 39 is a fantastic firearm. I'm not knocking it's reliability, function, or accuracy at all. What I am criticizing is the compromise that Glock made in the inception of the .45 GAP cartridge itself. Others may disagree, but to me, the millimeters shaved off in both the cartridge and the gun itself are not significant enough to justify a whole new cartridge.

    As a point of reference, pistols originally chambered for the .45 Auto can be easily modified (without changing their overall dimensions) to chamber a slightly weaker load (the .45 GAP.)

    What we get into when we dissect it into these terms is a ballistics war, which will mimic the "Ford vs. Chevy" and "Nintendo vs. Sega" arguments of the past.

    The absolute bottom line when it comes to carrying & being prepared to use a firearm, (the most important aspect,) lies in the owner's familiarity, experience, skill, and dexterity with their own weapon.

    There is no substitute for practice. Being a student of law (which I'm inferring, based on other threads you've posted in - correct me if I'm wrong,) you certainly must have an appreciation for the responsibility incurred with carrying a firearm. Admittedly, this is not within the scope of this discussion, but it bears mentioning, as this is a public forum.

    First of all, if you already own the Glock 39, keep it. Carry it. Buy all the ammo you can logistically store for it.

    If not, I present you with a few options, and without going into specifics, you can choose which one fits in with your fashion accessory flavor of the season:

    There are three categories.

    ***#1*** "Don't give a fuck"

    - This is reserved for people that are physically fit enough to either concealable carry a large gun, or those that just don't give a shit. Since you're going the legal route, I would examine this thoroughly before going this route. I may be biased in my opinion, but I can think of no better a compromise between style, substance, and price in this category than the Taurus Judge. It's a reasonably sized, 5-shot revolver that will chamber either .45 Colt (sometimes referred to "Long Colt" or "LC") or .410 shotshells, which opens this gun up to a great many possibilities. It's versatility is amazing - the .45 LC itself is a lethal round to carry in a piece that size (especially in Winchester Silvertip ,) and the ability to use a small shotgun shell in the cylinder through a short, rifled barrel? - damn. The beauty in this device is that you can line up different loads, and starting with a #4 shot (which would pepper your would-be assailant/rapist/ex into assuming the fetal position,) then hit them up with a silvertip hollowpoint or two, and if there's still any movement after that, try out the 000Buck shot and see what they think.

    The kick from anything you propel from this gun will be offset by the weight of the gun itself, which is why this gun kicks less than a similarly-sized .357 revolver I have.

    If price is no object, however, you might look into a .460 or 500 revolver with a short barrel.

    Depending on your laws (which seem a bit more stringent than ours in this regard) - if steel-core 5.7x28mm ammo is available (a.k.a. armor piercing) - by all means, buy an FN Herstal Five-Seven. Hell, even if it's not, buy one before they're outlawed. It's still a full-size pistol with a generous capacity (20 rds with standard mag, 30 with extended) - and a nasty round to deal with to boot.

    *** #2 *** "I want to compromise Sir Issac Newton's laws in favor of concealability."

    - This is where most of your Glock pistols fall into. For that matter, just about any mid-size/full-size/police-issue/etc. pistol. Generally, calibers will range from 9mm all the way up to .45 Auto. A good compromise between 'stopping power' and 'size' - efficient, to say the least.

    The #39 would certainly fall into place in this category, and in the 'power vs. concealability' issue, it would lean towards the latter.

    *** #3 ***"Nobody needs to know I have this on me."

    - Despite accolades for the .22 caliber, I seriously don't consider it a sufficient self-defense round in most any given situations. It's bark is typically louder than it's bite.

    For someone looking to arm themselves with "#3" - I would look into the Ruger LCP (an automatic pistol far more powerful than it looks,) which is a direct copy/refinement to the earlier Kel-Tec design for a concealable .380 / .32 Auto pistol. You'll find that the Ruger model far exceeds the shitty standards set by whatever slophouse put together their original design. It's what Ruger does best, by the way - "refine" great ideas, and patent them. :rolleyes:

    Nonetheless, I'm flattered that you addressed me directly in the post title. I hope you find the information you're looking for in the three categories I consider handguns to fall into, and by all means, keep us updated on any purchases you make, or any moments spent sitting on the fence deciding on a caliber.
     
  7. Lomotil

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    So... What have you picked out???
     
  8. Cheezedawg

    Cheezedawg New Member

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    I want a man's gun. A Desert Eagle is the one for me. Ideal for home defense.. in that it will take a perp's head off in a thundering blaze of brain and glory! This gun packs a wallop. My buddy tried to shot one sideways once(like a gangster).... broke his wrist. Idiot.

    Here in my hometown carrying one on my person is not needed. However on the road, this would assist me greatly in deterring break-ins while I try to sleep on Crenshaw Blvd in Torrence, CA at 3AM.
     
  9. Reizvolles

    Reizvolles Active Member

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    Still waiting ... Slowly dehydrating.
     
  10. Lomotil

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    Taking water pills so you can better conceal a piece? :confused: ;)
     
  11. Reizvolles

    Reizvolles Active Member

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    Waiting for the ok to go to Carl Scholz Guns and ask for their deadliest weapon with lots of ammo.
     
  12. Lomotil

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    "The OK?" :confused:

    Oh, wait...

    Dear lord.

    And to think I once wished to move there... :eek:
     
  13. Lomotil

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    And I see how quickly I forget things...

    It must just seem so foreign an idea to me that I would forget about such asinine restrictions (like the ones you posted) it two weeks later.

    Ick. I'm positively disgusted. John Howard can lick my sweaty taint - at gunpoint.
     
  14. BullGod666

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    That is exactly the way the democrats would like to see in the USA, for everyone but them. Many top dems have a pistol permit and carry for self protection but don't believe we need that level of protection.
     
  15. Reizvolles

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    This is getting tedious, and is probably becoming a reason for me to move out of this backward country.

    Crims can have all the guns they want, but we're not allowed to defend ourselves; we must rely on police. Where's my fucking 24/7 personal police escort them?
     
  16. Lomotil

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    Maybe if y'all voted to raise your country's taxes more, each citizen could be guaranteed full police custody?

    I hear they're trying out that idea over here as we speak.
     
  17. bigpappadiaz

    bigpappadiaz Member

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    Just mailed in my CHL packet to the TXDPS about 2 days ago. Now for the excruciating 90 - 120 day wait.
     
  18. Lomotil

    Lomotil Active Member

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    For every day they make you wait, fire one round into the night air. By the time you need to load your fourth clip, either that correspondence will have arrived, or you won't be needing it. :)
     

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