Landis says his testosterone is naturally high

Discussion in 'Medical Advice' started by Joeslogic, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. Joeslogic

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    I'm posting this here because I think hormones are very relevant to psychological diagnosis and possibly for some expertise to back up my whole hearted belief after seeing Landis video that he is correct.

    Just my layman’s opinion personally I have not had experience with any steroid taking. But through observing I have concluded that production over all of hormones cannot be accurately measures as to a norm of what one individual should be. I'm fairly certain that personally I have high recorded levels of hormones myself. Throughout jr High and High school athletics came easy for me. While other guys would hit the Gym religiously I could lie around all summer then a few weeks of workout would quickly put me above my peers.

    I think that this is the reason that some guys are more aggressive than others. I have spent a lifetime keeping my temper in check but I think have in general more aggressive ideas and reaction to adversity on the average.

    I also think the scientific community fails to study the phenomena of hormones from the proper scientific perspective. Possibly because most of the nerdy bookish scientific types are not willing to address their inferiority in this respect.

    Landis convinced me. Those pansy ass French will forever be jaded by the fact that Americans kick their ass in their turf at their sport. It is like salt in a wound. They gain some satisfaction in the idea that they can at the least discredit the one who shamed them. And that is just wrong.
     
  2. diogenes

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    At least you haven't blamed it on the "liberal media" yet.
     
  3. Joeslogic

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    No it's those screwball liberal Frenchies! :p
     
  4. diogenes

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    Ah, I should have picked up on that on my own.
     
  5. chester grape

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    Yeah, blame it all on your "hormones". After all, women have been doing it for years, right? :roll:
     
  6. Joeslogic

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    Heh been married for 17 years and Have seen it up close and personal they are not lying. Although I'll never admit that to my wife I tell her she just uses that excuse for a crutch and I'm still sticking to me guns on that one.
     
  7. phatboy

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    I just tell mine she's bipolar.
     
  8. Joeslogic

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    You can get away with that but you better choose your timing wisely. :wink:
     
  9. phatboy

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    Im a light sleeper.
     
  10. Joeslogic

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    I don’t know there seems from what I understand some compelling evidence against Landis. But somehow it does not all add up. First there is the common sense logic Landis knew he would be tested why would he jeopardize himself? Also the circumstantial logic is very weak. Endurance sports tend to be that with that many individuals that are in extremely good shape the margins are real tight they are simply pushing their bodies to the extreme for a human. But there is that magical second wind phenomena that can occur I ran cross country and are familure with it. All of a sudden just when you think you got no more it kicks in and you break away. It really is a surreal feeling when it does happen the proverbial "runners high". What would truly be a shame would be if an innocent Mennonite guy who had probably never taken an aspirin or drank a caffeinated soda much less inject a hormone. (for the record I’m stating a worst case scenario and do not know him personally or of his character) Was caught up in some dubious sabotage.

    His video was fairly convincing for me. And I’d say that what he said is true about anyone of those previous segments of the race has a Cinderella story to be told about an exemplarily performance put on by a cyclist.
     
  11. phatboy

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    I am slightly confused. The report I saw, right after it broke, was that his testosterone wasnt high. Apparently there are two types or something. There is a low and a high, kind of like BP. That his high was normal, just that his low, was really low. He did admit to drinking a couple of beers the night before his historic run was made, and they do test them at almost every stage.

    If he had taken any hormones it wouldnt have had time to work, you have to take them over time, its not a miracle juice that you can take before you fight a bully and have it miraculously give you super human abilities.
     
  12. Joeslogic

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    Yeah those are all points I have read some of them conflicting to the point. I'm not comfortable with any specific source. The secrecy game is out there like don’t divulge any information except in the case of a counter strike to exploit what ever is said by the Landis camp. If I were him I would be scarce at this point and simply not say a thing except proclaim my innocence.

    It just does not feel right. Something not adding up.
     
  13. chester grape

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    Yeah that's what I'd be doing when I have seven and a half minutes to make up on the field, drinking a few cold ones.
     
  14. Joeslogic

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    When I ran cross country in highschool we used to load up on beer the night before. The excuse was that beer is loaded with carbs.
     
  15. smurfslappa

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    Yeah, that was high school Joe. Professional athletes know better, but who knows? Only the cyclist.
     
  16. Joeslogic

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    Those races were huge 100 plus people and although I was on the team long distance endurance was not my forte but I always finished in the top qtr. Beer and all.
     
  17. Ferine

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    As of this morning, he tested positive again. He'll be out.
     
  18. Joeslogic

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    Yeah I saw that. I talked to a Dr I was working with and asked his opinion he is pretty much convinced the results are accurate. But he did concur with my question that it made no since as a mega dose of testosterone at that point in the race would not have and anything more than a psychological effect.

    Theory (probably the common theory) he was desperate and willing to try anything figuring that this is his one and only chance before the hip has to be worked on and his career is over. Either way get caught and loose or simply loose. There is the possibility he could win and not get caught.

    This theory assumes he was naive enough and misguided by someone equally naive.

    Other theory is that he is surprised as the rest that there would be a foreign substance accounted for in his test and he had been sabotaged. (looked like a clean test bottle but it had residue in it before he ever pissed)

    I may be the naive one but I think his video was convincing. I tend to lean harder on the second theory.

    The third ridiculous theory would be that there was an orchestrated effort by Landis as well as his coach, medical adviser, etc. Like I said I've never taken roids but I have studied them and there would be no gain and in his niche sport knowledge of the use of roids is common no self respecting trainer, coach, team member would advise such a stupid move and with no real possibility of gain except psychological at best.
     
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    Landis speaks out still defending his innocence.

    http://wm.usatoday-na-central.edgestreams.net/wm.usatoday-na-central/audio/06/060806_landis02.wma

    Accuses the organization of an agenda.

    http://wm.usatoday-na-central.edgestreams.net/wm.usatoday-na-central/audio/06/060806_landis02.wma

    The Artical from USA Today

     
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