If you are in Iraq & American are you fair game?

I was watching the news for the first time this week, I have been very busy and trying to catch up.

Well I saw the girl who has been taken in Iraq. My feelings if you are dumb enough to go to a war zone for any reason and you are not a solider you are fair game.

This goes for any Civ, If you are doing anything for money or mission work you deserve what you get. Thats my feeling.

What about you?

 

I have to say that I feel the same way for the most part Grim. But it breaks my heart none the less to see people used that way. Right or wrong she looked to be a real hottie and that makes it worse. Which is a point that will be exploited by the Katie Curric types. Saw it on whatever morning show this morning she does. They were basically laying the ground work for the insurgency talking points. I'm sure Katie is salivating at the idea that the girl is publicly beheaded like others. This type news would be a real boon for the Anti-America media to form public opinion with.

I must be spelling that bitches name wrong because it doesn't look right.

 

Couric, I think it is. Yeah, it'll be a tragedy if she gets beheaded. But not because the media will get ahold of it and twist it, both sides spin everything. It'll be a tragedy because that would be a waste of a person.

 

The tragedy is the impending death. The salt on the wounded broken heart is the media spin. I'm really not ready for it. I can handle the atrocities of war so much better than betrayal during such a time when honesty and integrity is needed most.

 

That's the problem with a private media. They have to make money, human interest is what gets people to watch. I don't blame the oil company's for making oil, that's the product they sell to make money. The media sells stories, for people to consume. It's in there best interest to sell stories people will listen to, and that's how they make money. Consequences of the system we have. If you don't like the corporate media, listen to NPR, they're much better about that kind of thing.

 

NPR ? Ah I don't buy that, they spout the same propaganda as the left media. Just do so in a sort of different monotone chat aren’t we wonderful and intelligent orgy of self gratitude.

 

Do you actually listen to NPR, or are you just spouting the Fox party line?

 

Come on Dio. Fox News and never said anything that I have ever herd about NPR. I'm just saying that when I listen to it a lot of it I ... I dunno turns me off. Some of its all right, and yes I have listened to hours of NPR. I rarely bother with the TV including Fox News anymore. It is for the most part radio or internet for me.

I used to live in Nashville no longer do you used to be able to tell what issues were coming up for vote in state politics by reading the paper it was an attempt to stack the cards of opinion before the public even knew the issue was on the table. The only major newspaper there is the Tennessean who has been trying for years to get a state income tax implemented. Turned me off to news papers also.

 

Ok before you slam me again this is the correction of the first two sentances. Sorry for missing the periods.

I used to live in Nashville no longer do. You used to be able to tell what issues were coming up for vote in state politics by reading the paper.

 

Joeslogic said...

I listen to NPR out here in California, I find them to have much less of an agenda then the other news sources. That's not saying much, considering how full of shit the other news sources are, but at least it's something. As far as internet news goes, who do you go to as a source. Don't tell me it's a blogger.

 

Not really not blogs or forums. Google News, Drudgereport, Newsmax, Boortz. I try to look at the source with an eye towards interpreting the view that it’s from. Draw my own conclusions that way.

In the interest of moderation let me say that my perception is that Fox is less biased the other networks are extremely biased.

NPR has some really good programming at times but generally discusses the issues in my perception in a light that puts to question the logic of any decisions made by the current administration. They seem to cater to the elitist crowd

Hence the "aren’t we wonderful and intelligent orgy of self gratitude." analogy.

The proof is I the pudding. When ever whatever election cycle is happening at the time. Find out what the Democratic or liberal talking points are and also what the Republican or conservative talking points are. The NPR shows will be about the fallacy of the conservative talking points and. Knowledge and wisdom of the liberal talking points. All calmly discussed in a format that just oozes of “to think logically is to think like us”. To add insult to injury this is done at the expense of the American taxpayer.

 

I see how you could think that. I lost all respect for Fox when they kept cutting away from news reports to show the Reagan library and all of the "celebration" for the gipper. The fact of the matter is that the only people who were there was a class of fourth graders. Any network that would give Bill O'reilly a job has to be biased. Watch a movie called "Outfoxed." It's an interesting perspective on Fox media.

 

I'm no authority but I would guess that at one time Journalism schools used to teach the importance of striving for just the facts unbiased news. I think it impossible to be 100% objective, but there is nothing wrong with trying. As responsible citizens it’s up to us to decide how to be savvy enough to glean through it all and pick out what the real story is.

I do feel sorry for that poor girl in Iraq. At the same time I think it would be an insult to the many that died in the towers and the many soldiers that died in combat to let a hostage that knew the risk going there to Iraq change foreign policy. Except that is to make us stronger in our resolve to do things right now that we are there regardless or the argument as to weather we should have went.

 

Joeslogic said...

You can thank Hunter S. Thompson for ruining that one, although William Randolph Hurst wasn't exactly one for un-biased news.

The fact that we are there isn't an argument to stay, no more than penetration is a reason to continue raping a woman. As far as doing things right now that we're there (I think that's what you were saying, the post was a bit fuzzy with language) we are unable to control street gangs here in the United States, so I don't see what hope we have of controlling the insurgency in Iraq. I agree that since we're there we can't just cut and run, we owe it to the people of Iraq to at least get the country back to where it was before we invaded, and at the very least the country will have to be secure. As for the best way to do that, I don't know, and the fact of the matter is that neither does the government.

 

i just have 1 question,,,,,,,, when did any news source report unbiased news? please cite such source and the timeframe it existed in

 

That was kind of the point of my prior post. The Spanish-American War is an excellent example of media shaping policy. That's why we have to be vigilant and demand objectivity to the highest degree possible. If we just give up on it then you enter dangerous territory.

 

We are in agreement on that so long as the whole idea that the litmus test of objectivity is not weather or not the reporter is critical of U.S. policy. Or as I tend to see treating both sides of an issue as if they are of equal moral grounds if that is blatantly not the case.

 

Its cute how it can be called a "left" media. That way the big corporations can blame a small subsidiary for the neo-cons failure in iraq. H.S.Thompson allready lived in a mediareality that was cold-war tainted. Thats why his willfull badmouth subjectivity is better journalism than any attempt at "objective" reporting from the mainstream us media ( That by the way is NOT taken over by muskovite comrades, their production of stupidity is consumerist-capitalist, and NOT socialist. USA is NOT a socialist country. That is all spin from the no-spin zone and other far-right cells )

 

Russia thinks they're being smart. They know they can't meet the energy demands abroad and domestic with all this coldness, so in order to save face they're playing the ol' "Someone blew up our pipelines!" with Georgia and "You don't pay enough, NO GAS!" with Ukraine.

 

all they did was make ukraine pay what everyone else is paying them