How bout that global warming?

Discussion in 'More Serious Topics' started by Joeslogic, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. Joeslogic

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    Sure could use some right about now. And to think due to our neglect of failing to heed Nobel laureate Albert Gore's warning the world is still gonna bake and half the population die of heat stroke by 2012.

    Who would figure?

    Dumb assholes maybe?
     
  2. Cheezedawg

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    Would we all die of heat stroke or drowning? If the polar caps melt.... won't that do something worse to us?
     
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    Pretty hard to picture what with the rate the caps are growing.
     
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    Even residents in the Dallas-Fort Worth area briefly experienced a white Christmas, their first in more than 80 years. Not since Dec. 25, 1926 — when 6 inches fell on Dallas and Collin counties — had the area had a true postcard-looking Christmas But by la
     
  6. Cheezedawg

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    Isn't the sea ice thats melting slower? I mean.... the caps melt and grow as the seasons change. Sometimes by half! So really.... I want an unbiased opinion on this. Is golbal warming happening? Or are we headed into another ice age? Or neither?

    I find it hard to believe the world's leaders would spend all this time and money on something that isn't even real!

    That would hurt everyone.
     
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    And those of us with the cognitive ability to put two things together can easily see the connection. Bush's 7 year success with preventing terrorist acts such as these. Obama's along with his fellow Democrats constant bombardment of criticism against Bush administration policy in fighting the war against the likes of this Nigerian and apparent lack of ability to keep his eye on the ball apparently do to his sympathetic attitude towards terrorist.

    Lies, lies, and more lies.

    Global Warming.

    Dying polar bear bullshit.

    Vote fraud.

    Voodoo government growth economics.

    Money laundering.

    Behind closed doors secret 2000 page bills that no-one has read.

    All time record deficit growth. With nothing to show for it.

    Campaign finance fraud with presidential campaigns funded by other countries with their own non-American ulterior motives.

    Judging by the poll numbers I'm not the only one to see the obvious am I?
     
  10. RetainYerDiggity

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    look on the bright side, he's not likely to get re-elected. I just wish he'd stop spending so much f^cking money, the last joker did plenty of that.

    Major difference between this O-bomber and Bush's Shoe Bomber is that now we're going have to take off our pants at the airport checkpoints... need volunteers for the bra bomb...

    trying to narrow back to global warming
    reduced melting does not equal growth, here's a square miles of ice graph:
    http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/the-melting-arctic-ice/
     
  11. Joeslogic

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    http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/author/john-whiteman/ This Guy gets government grants to provide research that proves global warming exists. That's what started in the 90s the "deniers" many of which were highly respected in the scientific community lost their funding. Now if you want to get any research funds you have to prove yourself as a global alarmist.

    When you studied science was the method of scientific discovery to:
    1. First find what theory the establishment endorses.
    2. Seek to provide evidence that would please the establishment by illustrating evidence in a manner complimentary to established theory.
    Is the the scientific process you learned?
     
  12. RetainYerDiggity

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    goddamn Crusader Bush, wasting my f!cking money again! two million dollars for a WEB PAGE? no wonder the republicans got thrown out on their big fat overspending asses.
    http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0733048

    How's this for a scenario: we're PAYING this grant money for "increased awareness," grad student John wants to wrestle bears- polar bears, not the little ones like in Wyoming where he lives!-...
    so live web cam him getting eaten by bears, Timothy Treadwell style!

    Hell everybody would vote grant money to see that. We could solve the national debt.

    UFC should add "tough man vs bear"
     
  13. Aballister

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    It's always been like that, even in the days of Galilleo or Copernicus you had to conform your "scientific" discoveries to what the nobility found interesting at the moment.
    Thinking about it, not much has changed eh?
     
  14. RetainYerDiggity

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    Pretty sure we ditched the Inquisition. Might not be progress, but it's different.

    Wikip says Copernicus predicted that debased money chases out valuable money... predicting Nixon's crash of the American money system? which directly lead to the major B.S. we're suffering with now (and I don't mean 2mill on polar bear web site)
     
  15. Aballister

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    I hear what you're saying but I wasn't exactly talking about the inquisition. I should have made a better choice for my examples.

    The interest in science has always been fleeting for lack of a better word. In the victorian era for example, one needed the support from the nobility in order to obtain financing or a facility. People like G. Cuvier and Charles Lyell had to beg hat-in-hand to the nobles for support and learned early on that the nobles only contributed to what they believed to be fascinating. So scientific discoveries had to "conform" to the fleeting interest expressed by the nobles on a popular subject. I mentioned the nobility but it could also be applied to wealthy merchants or wealthy philanthropists.

    I can clearly see a resemblance to today's world. Scientists who disagreed with global warming saw their funding severely cut if not completely discontinued. Not because of an unseen evil or a hidden agenda but rather a lack of interest in anything else. The Canadian government believes in global warming because her people believes in it. The government is likely to support research in that field to remain popular with the masses and quietly push aside other projects that do not captivate the minds of her citizens.

    AIDS used to be popular in the 90's and in this new decade cancer seems to be the hot topic in medicine. Interests shift with time and so does research, even though we have yet to find a cure for AIDS nobody really cares about it anymore.

    To comment about what you said on the inquisition; there are universities in the US that refuse to teach evolution as part of their scientific curriculums. These universities tend to be very fundementalist in their views and see scientific questionning of the bible as blasphemy. It's not quite like the spanish inquisition or the witch-hunts but it does bear a certain sense of disdain for discoveries outside of established beliefs.

    Just my thoughts on the matter. Merry Christmas and Happy New year.
     
  16. RetainYerDiggity

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    and a good yule ya'll, back atcha.

    yes, I know science is a business. I don't consider this bear-wrasslin' grad student John whatshisname a "scientist" regardless.

    comparing any modern university to the Inquisition is kinda weak...
    woops sorry that was a slam on the US wasn't it? Uh if the USofA is your biggest concern for religious intolerance, you must be Canadian.

    You know we have a lot of different people down here, right? Like, ten times as many people as Canada?
     
  17. Aballister

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    That wasn't a slam on the US at all. I was trying to point out the fact that science is a slave of money or convictions. If science happens to disagree with established beliefs it becomes harder for that science to find a foothold. I wasn't criticizing the US system of beliefs at all. Besides I did say that it didn't compare to the spanish inquisition or the witch-hunts. Read my post more carefully.
     
  18. RetainYerDiggity

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    ?? was definitely a slam on unidentified universities... what's your concern w/the US?

    Surely you are aware there are countries with far less tolerance, yes? We just paid for one! Iraq's democratic process puts Sharia above constitutional law. We're doing relatively ok down here but thanks for the concern.

    Anyway, global-warming-wise, we United Statists recognize your right to the northwest passage without recognizing your sovereignty:
    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=385e1dcf-dc63-4aae-87b4-39bc8dd06696&k=17745

    So, while Bush the Lesser was pooping on global warming, his team was negotiating rights on a frozen seaway... must have thought it was hot property, hmm?
     
  19. Aballister

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    The unidentified university was Bob Jones University and yes, there are far more intolerant places than the US. My whole point was about scientific progress being dependent on current ideology and pre-established beliefs. I don't know why you tied your panties in a knot about it. I also mentioned the fact that it's not comparable to the inquisition or the witch-hunts.

    You picked on one sentence in my post and decided to piss on the rest. Are you from BJU? My point isn't valid? What I said could be applied to any country in the world, I decided to illustrate my point with an american university because your country is one of the most progressive in the world and it demonstrates that it can happen anywhere.

    Take a chill pill.
     
  20. Joeslogic

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    I'll buy that for a dollar.
     

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