Hell I was not talking about you Dan I'm sure you are capable of correctly identifying a spider. It's the average moron that I would doubt. Yeah Mr. G , you bought the bait I was playing on Nurseys fears. Yawn. As for the Dish I had a buddy that had it and although I do not remember the speeds it seems like they were fairly impressive however the problem with games is there is an inherant lag that has to exsist. Online gaming was impossible if you are talking about action games like FPS type.