Al Qaida works for US intelligence

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  1. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

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    Al Qaida, from begining, is a tool of CIA. At first, it was used as mujaheddin to deal with Soviet Union. Then, it was used to deal with American people (911) to justify war in Mid-east. And now, it is used to provoke the conflict between Iraqis (Sunni and Shiite). Even Sunni Muslim realized Al Qaida is their enemy, how couldn't you?

    Quote, " Young Pakistanis: Bin Laden Is A CIA Creation

    Steve Watson
    Tuesday, Dec 4, 2007
    An ABC news piece that ran yesterday morning attracted attention after four Pakistanis who were being interviewed about the attitudes and life of young people in Pakistan declared Osama Bin Laden to be a creation of western intelligence and stressed that Islamic extremist attitudes towards the west were virtually non existent in their country before 9/11.

    ABC have since pulled the video footage from their website, but an industrious prisonplanet forum member grabbed the footage and uploaded it to youtube.
    Video--

    <http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm>
     
  2. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

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    Quote, "Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld
    Following the trail for five minutes leads to Pentagon

    Steve Watson / Infowars.net | October 5 2006
    Related: Surprise Surprise, It's Another Al Qaeda Blockbuster Release <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/021006video.htm>
    Related: Atta's Father Says Video Fake, Credibility of 'Hijackers Tape' Crumbles <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/031006faketerror.htm>
    U.S. Government Caught Red-Handed Releasing Staged Al-Qaeda Videos <http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/051006redhanded.htm>

    Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld.

    The origin of the latest video, starring Mohammed Atta and flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, has been swept under the carpet by the mainstream media who bizarrely admit that the government has had the tape since late 2001 but still suggest it is a new release by Al Qaeda.
    Interesting also is the fact that in an NBC article <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15082633/>, they admit that before receiving the "exclusive US analysis" of the London Sunday Times' tape, they had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the same tape of Atta earlier this year:
    "The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video “through a previously tested channel” but gave no further details. NBC News filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the videotapes early this year, but the Pentagon has not yet turned them over. "
    This is an open admission that it is the Pentagon that has released this tape and not Al Qaeda. this dovetails with our previous analysis that revealed that the footage has been seen before in a docudrama, the Road to Guantanamo, where it is shown to detainees at camp Delta as an intelligence surveillance tape.

    Along with experts on Islamic terrorist groups
    <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/031006Atta.htm> who are baffled by the video and have declared that it has come from a security agency, the very journalist who received the tape also says the source was not Al Qaeda. <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/051006Atta.htm>

    It is also interesting that this journalist, Yousri Fouda is not only a Sunday Times journalist but also the London Bureau Chief of Al Jazeera. He is the guy who normally breaks all the Al Qaeda tapes anyway, so really the London Times connection is just a smokescreen.
    All evidence indicates that the tapes are provided to Fouda and Al Jazeera by As Sahab, the "production company" of Al Qaeda, via a group known as Intelcenter , who also SELL the videos online.

    Intelcenter normally have the tapes available for sale as soon as they are released, indeed in the past they have even predicted when they are going to get a tape before it is released <http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/07/new_al_qaeda_ta.html>, as they did with the second London bomber tape on the anniversary of 7/7.

    Intel center is run by Ben Venzke, who is an interesting character. A google search <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Venzke%2Bidefense> results in the revelation that he used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE which is a verisign company.

    IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

    It is also heavily populated with long serving ex military intelligence officials.
    The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

    Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

    So here we have a company that by it's own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts Rumsfeld 3 small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos.

    http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/051006Rumsfeld.htm
     
  3. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

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    Proof Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11; 3 simple points
    blueridge
    Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:52
    75.109.16.198
    1. Usama Bin Laden's absolute, unequivocal, immediate denial in Pakistan press after he was blamed:

    “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people…
    ...What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United States? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. " --Osama bin Laden interview with Ummat, 28 September 2001

    Sources: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. - Source: BBC Monitoring Service
    http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
    [this writer found it shortly after, along with others, and retained original links to Ummat's article to this day]


    2. The government's spurious video evidence, claiming that he "boasted" (while he denied it above):

    “It’s bogus,” says Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program.

    The video is further examined here:
    http://ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress...h-911-and-the-bin-laden-tape-is-a-hoax-video/

    3. The testimony of the FBI:

    a) The FBI "Mosted Wanted" terrorist poster on Bin Laden does not show that he is "wanted" for 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

    b) and here is what they have stated:

    “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

    --Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman, in interview with Muckraker Report
    <http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html>
    [Muckraker also did a follow up article in further confirmation]

    The FBI is well informed of the video (proves Muckraker Report), but, nonetheless, still considers that there is "no hard evidence" to connect Bin Laden with 9/11. Thus again, the video cannot be considered said evidence.

    There is therefore no sustainable evidence except politically-convenient allegation and propaganda, to make such a false and spurious claim. This also kills the idea of Al Qaeda which they claim also was connected directly with Bin Laden. The BBC documentary "Power of Nightmares" documents that Al Qaeda was "an invention" of the U.S. government, and that videos of Bin Laden "were faked for the western media", with "militants" called in for the purpose.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKYID2ACdKs

    Quote, "SO WHY DOES THE MEDIA, GOVERNMENT, AND OFFICIALS ALL TALK AS IF THIS IS A PROVEN "FACT"? ONLY BECAUSE IT IS POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT TO DO SO, TO CONTROL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND FOREIGN POLICY AND THE RESTRUCTURING OF AMERICA'S GOVERNMENT AWAY FROM CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRAINTS.
     
  4. deemaan

    deemaan New Member

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    Kathaksung Babblings On & ON & On........

    WHO IN THE BLEEEPITY BLEEP IS THIS BLEEPING IDIOT ON HER BLEEPING SOAP BOX ANYWAY??? WHO DIED IN THOSE FORIEGN CONFLICTS IN ORDER FOR THIS DIATRIBE IDIOT TO SPEW THIS NONSENSE. WHO IS BEHEADING & FILMING INNOCENT PEOPLE (watch those videos & tell me who is EVIL). SHE RANTS & RAVES FROM ALL ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LIFE. THIS WOMAN (lol) IS AN ENEMY TO ALL HUMANITY & FALLS IN THE SAME CATAGORY AS ROSIE ODONNELL. GIVE ME A BREAK! THREE THOUSAND AMERICAN PEOPLE (INNOCENT CIVILANS) DIED WHEN THE "TERRORISTS" ATTACKED US ON 9/11. I COULD ANSWER HER POINT FOR POINT BUT THERE IS NO USE IN IT. WASTE OF MY TIME. AS FOR ME, I SALUTE THOSE THAT SERVE IN OUR VOLUNTEER "TERRORISTS HUNTING" FORCES. "GOOD HUNTING" GUYS & STRAIGHT SHOOTING. Deemaan
     
  5. BullGod666

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    You need to learn to tell us how you really feel, don't hold it in.

    :biggrin:
     
  6. Joeslogic

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    He goes around all over the internet posting on forums the same shit. Ideally if he does this enough people ten years from now can expand upon the base of insinuations he established finding his posts using google search and such. Its a creation of its own truth. He is a foreigner who hates America but chooses to live here.

    According to this idiot everything bad that has ever happened and every devious tool of evil invented was done so by the American CIA, NSA, or FBI. China, Korea, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela. Pick the Socialist or Communist country according to this idiot has never done anything wrong, never lied about anything.

    The more you think about it the more it seems obvious that this guy is a Democrat he fits all the M.O.s. Hates America, Wants to implement Socialism or Communism, blames America for everything.
     
  7. deemaan

    deemaan New Member

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    Re; Democrats

    I think you're right, sounds just like these Socialists, Communists, Leftists, so called (make history) Democrats that are in office right now, leading the way to History Making DESTRUCTION!! So I encourage EVERYONE to exercise you're right to vote (given by HEROES who died in foreign conflicts) & vote the Professional Politian incumbents & Democrats O U T OF O F F I C E !!! Take an interest in the direction & well being of this Country!!! Is it Perfect? No, but go to any OTHER COUNTRY & try speaking your mind & openly Critisize the Government of that OTHER COUNTRY & see where it gets you!!!! We have a lot of work to do H E R E, but it won't happen unless Y O U TAKE AN INTREST AND V O T E!!!!! Deemaan
     
  8. Joeslogic

    Joeslogic Active Member

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    The problem is the stupid are voting. They have been systematically stupified or dumbed down by the radical left wing media, and schools. Watch the movie "Idiocracy" that's where we are headed.
     
  9. kathaksung

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    CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04
    By Robert Parry
    July 4, 2006

    On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as "Osama's endorsement of John Kerry." But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.

    According to Suskind's book, CIA analysts had spent years "parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, [Ayman] Zawahiri. What they'd learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. …

    "Their [the CIA's] assessments, at day's end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public [was] not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today's conclusion: bin-Laden's message was clearly designed to assist the President's reelection.
    "At the five o'clock meeting, [deputy CIA director] John McLaughlin opened the issue with the consensus view: 'Bin-Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President.'"

    McLaughlin's comment drew nods from CIA officers at the table. Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, suggested that the al-Qaeda founder may have come to Bush's aid because bin-Laden felt threatened by the rise in Iraq of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi; bin-Laden might have thought his leadership would be diminished if Bush lost the White House and their "eye-to-eye struggle" ended.

    ....the CIA analysts also felt that bin-Laden might have recognized how Bush's policies - including the Guantanamo prison camp, the Abu Ghraib scandal and the endless bloodshed in Iraq - were serving al-Qaeda's strategic goals for recruiting a new generation of jihadists......

    .....One immediate consequence of bin-Laden breaking nearly a year of silence to issue the videotape the weekend before the U.S. presidential election was to give the Bush campaign a much needed boost. From a virtual dead heat, Bush opened up a six-point lead, according to one poll........

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/070306.html
     
  10. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

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    he CIA's Jihad
    Friday 28th Jun 2002

    In April, 1985, more than five years after the Soviet tanks first rolled into Afghanistan, President Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166, a secret order that called for the CIA to expel the Russians ‘by all means available.’ Over the next decade, the U.S. spent $10 billion to arm and train the mujaheddin. It was America’s largest covert operation since the Vietnam era.
    http://www.currentviewpoint.com/cgibin/news.cgi?id=11&command=shownews&newsid=294


    02.10.20. Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida:
    <http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=39>
    10/20/2002
    «Bashir on Friday accused the United States of inventing both al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.»

    <http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299>
    «Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer. »
    Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm>
    Friday, 28 March, 2003
    «According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan and he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden. »

    MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
    <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html>
    Anytime you hear the corporate news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens would have their "Two Minutes Hate" and the sheeple would be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear and support for more wars to the necessary pitch.
     
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    Afghan Taliban Camps Were Built by NATO

    The New York Times August 24, 1998
    By TIM WEINER - WASHINGTON

    The Afghan resistance was backed by the intelligence services of the United States and Saudi Arabia with nearly $6 billion worth of weapons. And the territory targeted last week, a set of six encampments around Khost, where the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden has financed a kind of "terrorist university," in the words of a senior United States intelligence official, is well known to the Central Intelligence Agency.
    The C.I.A.'s military and financial support for the Afghan rebels indirectly helped build the camps that the United States attacked. And some of the same warriors who fought the Soviets with the C.I.A.'s help are now fighting under Mr. bin Laden's banner.

    http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/camps.htm
     
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    Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

    Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, ExtremistsObtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, the documents reflect U.S. apprehension about Islamabad's longstanding provision of direct aid and military support to the Taliban, including the use of Pakistani troops to train and fight alongside the Taliban inside Afghanistan.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm
     
  13. kathaksung

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    Bin Laden is a living plant.

    In 1990, Soviet bloc collapsed. US intelligence turned its resource which used to deal with Soviet bloc to the new target - Mid-east countries which are rich in natural resource. Bin Laden, an asset of the CIA in Afghanistan war(against Russian), was revived in this new project as a false flag - Islamic extremist. He went to Sudan first in 1991.
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    Saudi and US didn't take the offer with various excuse because Bin Laden is a living plant they deployed there.

    In 1995, Bin Laden tried to set up a connection with Saddam but was refused.
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    Sudan may have felt the danger to accomodate Bin Laden. In May 1996, the Sudanese asked bin Laden to leave. He went to Afghan and stay there until now.

    In August 1998, Sudan and Afghanistan were bombed by US missiles.

    In 2001, after 911, Afghan, facing US invasion, made an offer but failed.
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    In Bin Laden's recent 20 years, the countries he went or tried to go, have something in common: They all have rich natural resources. Sudan and Iraq have oil. Afghan has rich mine. '
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    He didn't go to Yemen, Somali or Syria for his "revolution" because they are resource poor countries, not in US interest list. He didn't go to Saudi or Kuwait. Because they are US allies. He only went to Sudan, Afghan, or Iraq (intended to) because these three countries were not controlled by US at that time. As a living plant, he gave US the excuse to activate attack on these three countries. (Even Saddam realized that Bin Laden was a dangerous living plant and rejected him, Iraq at last was invaded with an un-existed WMD)
     

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