150000 civilians dead since the beginning of the Iraq war

Do you believe it?

 

I see no one believes it. At least not with any conviction to try to stand by it. And here with Google news reporting it all over the place. Hmmmm go figure.

But at the same time the silly conspiracy theories certainly prevail don't they. Like you take typical day top day military operations then take a rumor or even who gives a shit actual fact of day to day operations. Say you found out about it and that the Americans were caught red handed. Got em with their hand in the cookie jar. Its laughable silly. As if a. we are supposed to get permission or just broadcast our actions as well as intentions out to the world. Then the stupidity of the allegations. Acting as if American military has to come on a fess up.

What a bunch of loser clowns.

 

150,000?.. i think it's a vast underestimate.. it's just that after seeing your picture, i'm so creeped out i don't like replying to you anymore.. feeling that your starey bug eyes are poring lasviviously over my words.. your thin tongue poking between those lizardesque lips.. *shudder*...

oh wait.. no.. those are nurseys posts you do that to.. but still...

 

There we have it one retard says yes.

Cannot articulate as to why he thinks that but somehow has become obsessed with a picture Nursey posted on Mayhem of some red headed creepy looking guy.

Thanks Pimp for providing some insight into your adolescent mindset.

 

I'm sure the Iraqi's are going to be relieved the Democrats won a sweeping election.
http://www.cnn.com/

 

CNN has a vested interest in projecting an image that they can call Iraq failure. They know exactly what the payoff will be. And they have by and large been successfull.

 

And I see you voted Smurf so why do you think those numbers are accurate. Is it gut feeling? What specifically brings you to feel that?

 

Perhaps with Joe's disturbingly rigid mindset he really doesn't understand. You see Joe, it doesn't have to literally look like you to be a good likeness of you.
Get it?

 

No still don't get it.

 

Joe, i bet you still advocate the guise that Bill Clinton is the worst president ever, because he got a blowjob, while in office. Yet think Bush is the second coming of Christ, even though he has murdered how many American Citizens over a fictions war? I alway though that genocide was worse than adultery. then again, I guess I am wrong.

 

Oh well. I suppose it was a bit much of me to expect an uncivilised, stunted barbarian to understand a concept like artistic licence.

 

Hear here!

 

Think Dwaine concentrate. I guess if Bush had done the same he would be invincible also.
Clinton sold out our country.
While Republicans are accused of selling out to big business (What a fucking suprise Businesses want someone in office that will bring the DOW to record heights, and unemployment to record lows)
Clinton did much worse he took money directly from communists China. And there was an obvious Quid-Pro-Quote. He then closed American military bases like gang busters. Clinton was handed Osama Bin Laden by and African government and refused to take him. Clinton gave North Korea the nuclear plants and training that Korea currently has. All you know is that you can quote lines from most of the popular movie scenes at least the controversial ones. And bring up exciting new ways to discuss flatulence. But on real world political events you have no fucking idea a mental midget. But don't let that bring you down your with the majority there. You catch bits and pieces of innuendo made on the news clips and then receive confirmation on the validity of those by seeing what SNL or the late show is currently joking about.

You go around saying that George Bush is an idiot and then counter that he fooled the world with some master mind creation of massive events all of which started when he was about 18 years old.

I guess GW really had John Kerry fooled on Oct. 9, 2002 when he stated:
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

And then again:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Or your innocent pervert Whistle Dick Willy who did no-body wrong was a victim of GW's evil genius also in 98

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Madeline Albright

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

Sandy stuffs top secret documents in his pants and socks Berger

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

The list goes on

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

I know what you’re saying here. Just think Dwaine Each of these Democrats were beating the drums of war when it was politically expedient for them to. Then after words exercising ever ounce of energy in betraying the troops that went over to Iraq to defend their freedom.

WHATS WORSE?

 

BTW ASSHOLES THE 150000 ESTIMATE DOES NOT JIVE WITH PREVIOUS FIGURES WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN 100k AND WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK PROVIDED THESE FIGURES?

WHO PROVIDED THE FIGURES?

 

he sold out to China? No wrong dipshit, he traded food to Lil
kim so he would not push his nuclear program. Man I hate this country a little more every day

 

You trivial little fucktard.

Go sniff some more airplane glue.

 

calm down, calm down,, call your conservative hero, Tim Haggard, I'm sure he can come over and massage some of your tension away.

 

god i love you joe....... don’t worry the real figures will only come out decades later when no one cares, weather the figure now is inflated or deflated will matter little to those that are dead, maimed, or scarred.... everyone else will be too busy with Angelina’s son's drinking habits

 

On one hand your right Smiles. As for the general public that is.

But as for the history books and what your college professors will spout as fact they will use figures supplied directly by AlSadr's own ministry is obsurd.

Is there any of this that makes sense to you Smiles?

http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=37577
Hear read this

 

Iraqi Gov't: U.N. Exaggerates Death Totals


Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2006 4:08 p.m. EST
Iraqi Gov't: U.N. Exaggerates Death Totals


The Iraqi government hit out at the United Nations on Wednesday, accusing it of exaggerating and "misleading the world" with a report saying that a record 3,709 civilians were killed in violence in October.


The health minister gave no alternative number but said the real figure was about a quarter of that, and suggested U.N. officials obtained their data "illegally" from his subordinates.



"These statistics are not accurate," Health Minister Ali al-Shimeri told state television's prime-time news bulletin.


The U.N. stood by its statistics, saying they came from the Health Ministry itself and were consistent with past findings.


Ministers are under growing pressure from Iraqis and from Washington to curb sectarian violence, not least by reining in militias that are nominally loyal to parties in government.


Last week, officials argued publicly over the fate of dozens of civil servants abducted from a ministry building by suspected Shi'ite gunmen. Shi'ite leaders dismissed assertions from the Sunni minister that dozens of his staff were unaccounted for.


"The Operations Room at the Health Ministry and the Central Morgue did not give these statistics to the U.N.," Shimeri said. "They are eager to go to unreliable sources in the Health Ministry, through a doctor or a nurse, but this is not accurate.


"They want to mislead the world with these exaggerated figures. There is no figure of 7,000 for the past two months. If you want to talk about real figures, then they are a quarter of this figure," the minister said.


However, the United Nations' chief human rights official in Iraq, Gianni Magazzeni, told Reuters: "The data we've received are from the Ministry of Health and the Medico-Legal Institute and are consistent with data we've received before."


The U.N., which many Iraqis still resent for its role in enforcing sanctions under Saddam Hussein, adds ministry figures for hospitals to those from the Institute - the Baghdad morgue.


"Our methodology has not changed," Magazzeni said, noting that Shimeri recently told reporters that up to 150,000 Iraqis had been killed since the U.S. invasion - a figure that would put the monthly death toll since early 2003 at over 3,000.


Shimeri has dismissed an estimate by statisticians that some 650,000 civilians may have been killed since the invasion. The United States gives no figures for civilian casualties in Iraq.

The United Nations concedes gathering data is hard. It has had few staff in Iraq since its main office was bombed in 2003.


A month ago, it said Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's office had banned the Health Ministry and morgue from giving it data, saying this would be controlled by the premier's office.


An official in the Maliki's media office declined to give any figures on Wednesday and referred inquiries to Shimeri.


The minister is a supporter of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, whose Mehdi Army militia is blamed by Sunnis for death squad violence. It is a charge Sadr, a key ally of Maliki, insistently denies.


Shimeri's apparent estimate of less than 1,000 violent deaths in October is at odds with a figure given to Reuters by a source at the morgue, who said last week it alone received about 1,600 bodies in October, about 1,350 of whom died violently.


During October, Reuters quoted police and other officials detailing the deaths of over 1,150 Iraqis who were apparently civilians. Iraq's chaos means many other deaths go unreported.



(c) Reuters 2006. All rights reserved.