Well as far as a draft goes most of use have nothing to worry about we have either served or to fucking old. But the young people yeah they need to worry about a front door draft. I mean they are in the process of doing a "test draft" just to see if things are working. I call BS
I would be shocked if we ever saw another draft. It would be political suicide; people would not stand for it. We have a lot of volunteer military, we're just spread too thin.
I wouldn't be shocked. The dems and reps are setting us up right now. We have a lame duck president. So he has nothing to lose. The dems are in the middle of trying to cut funding & not wanting more troops. The reps gave bush the power to call a draft in the time of low troop levels. He will late til his last year everyone will scream for him to be impeached and the dems won't because he only has a year left. The wheels are turning the wheels they are a turning.
I'm sure the shock of an "Iranian" attack on a U.S. naval vessel (maybe even coupled with a mainland "Al Qaeda" operation) will get the people better used to the idea of being signed up to fight more (of Zionism's) wars. I can just imagine you conspiratorially telling Bob and Hank over a beer all about the 'Eye-racky' you're "on to" and how you are going, by means of a cunning master stratagem (using that one, humungus brain cell of yours) to 'tame' me by tapping into my primitive, tribal instinct, rendering my psychological defences neutral, thus enabling you to open a live channel into the ISLAMOTERRORIRST NETWIRK in order that you might route any info as it becomes available on any potential threats to homeland security. And Bob and Hank feeling bedazzled by their man Joe's "superior intellect", and also quite thrilled to be privy to such cutting edge, *inside developments* in the WAR ON TERRA-ISM.8) Why not just read what an exemplary Iraqi who was born, brought up and currently lives in Iraq has to say about the situation: And from another blog, an article on those 'extremists and fanatics who were liberated by the invasion':
Someone should work on the humorous potential of fetus-fisting. My attempt sucked Grim. Giving the gifts of freedom and democracy to the iraqi people has proven difficult. They want more mercenaries to free them. It is ideologically sound, since mercenaries are private businesspeople. Probably their sense of business wil keep it civilised. The obligations of an occupying power dont apply, since Iraq has a free and democratically elected government of ameraqi businessmen. The cost in american lives to fulfill said obligations would be unacceptable. Might cost more than homeland gunrelated deaths. Not acceptable. "Spread to thin" is cool. Classical hero-stuff. I guess one could still claim that humans are "spread thin" on the planet.
Oops I did it again. I tried to use irony while mixing topics from ideology, strategy and ecology, but following that tought, maybe the zionists are behind it after all. Osamas nose is suspiciously hooked. He might indeed be abrahams prodigy. So I just dont know do I. Do I ? I dont know that I know, but I think that I know that you military folks are honorable and believe in codes of conduct. As far as I have met, that allso extends into politics and administration. One can argue that a conspiracy anyway would consist of mostly unknowing participants. Then you only have to make a conspiracy of all the little conspiracies. Of course masons conspire to do business and make money. Scientologists allso. The conspiracy to keep Israel a state exists. The conspiracy to create one world under Islam allso exists. About this there are many theories. The conspiracy to create a global multicultural civilisation is real easy to intergrate. If that means that everybody worldwide, ( exept iranians and a few brave north-koreans maybe ), live under a zionist matrix occupational government. ( ZMOG ), then its real easy. EVERYTHING fits. That Chairman Reyes starts his office knowing jackshit about the issues could be because of a conspiracy to contain intelligence, or it could be because his focus is more practical and less theoretical. Americans are known as practical people. This could allso be part of a conspiracy. Marxism has scared a lot of old rich people, and they have surely conspired to conspire against conspiracies malevolent to their conspiracies.
Maybe i've misunderstood you (again), but it seemed as if you were being sarcastic about my mention of Israel's control of U.S. foreign policy?
To keep it simple: The Sadr lot are religious extremists. Sadr himself looks a complete brutal thug. There is reason to believe they are in league with the Iranians/the Americans or even both (think 'death squads' think Negroponte). The Shi'ia death squads are targetting all those who represent a united, secular Iraq (i.e. all moderate Iraqis of all religions - including many Shi'ia, but who are spearheaded by the Sunnis and Ba'athists), who are the ones that are least willing to compromise Iraq's historically moderate, Arab culture and who are most resistant to the occupation. "My enemy's enemy..."
I understand what you are saying but I'm not seeing it because The American Forces kill a lot of Sadr Army all the time. I think it is more of a political dogma. The Kurds being the strongest Allies have as much reason (I already see your counter argument that the Kurds were tricked about the chemical agents and all) as the Shia to despise the Sunni. But we seem to be trying to make an attempt a being none biased and sticking to the objective of empowering a moderate government to take care of itself. In the mean time can it not be conceived that from a religious standpoint although the Shia are at some level weird as seen in the video. However the Sunni sects as influenced by the Saudi ideals of a theocratic state actually are a scarier threat? I'm not going to go dig up info on the internet for the sake of being 100% valid so at the risk of looking foolish but wouldn't the Saudi influence if left to flourish and thrive put Iraq in more of a threat of becoming an extremely strict theocracy? Don't they (other than the Taliban) have one of the most strict rules systems? I say that because I picture Iran as an opportunist in this issue manipulating the situation for their gain. However I see Saudi government as feeling threatened by the idea of yet another democracy on the region influencing the have-nots (which comprise of a great number) to seek the same freedoms?
Yes ! I do not believe in an israeli-controlled u.s administration, but the belief itself is a nice little tool. No real need to discourage it from central cynics, and the israelis get the moral prerogative of action at a later stage. They have common interests. Often use common symbols. Lots of that. Socialist experiments seem to tell that sentralism has certain inherent weaknesses. It would be hard to call a structure, not centralist, a "CONSPIRACY". Please outline your data for me to grasp your theory.
Another point on Iran. Remember who Armchairjetison is? He was an active terrorist involved in the kidnapping of Americans back in the 80's he knows very well that he can walk all over the Dems just like they did Carter. Remember how Regan handled the situation quite effectively? Do you think this very non-apparent fact as far as the worlds memory is concerned is a lost point in the mind of either Armchairjettison, the dems, or the reps? Not to mention American intelligence. While one can accurately assume that the parties involved ie. Bush administration, democratically controlled congress, and the Iranian government are keeping their strategy well hidden and trying to front a strategic public image of their perceived intentions. Your theories certainly do not hold up to logical scrutiny once one considers the whole picture at large. Not to mention the whole Russian behavior. Which begs the question do you think the death of the Journalist in England, using perceptibly the same proxy tactic as Iran with Hezbollah had a chilling effect of how journalists report on Russian involvement in global politics?
Iraq PM stops protecting Shiite militia They knew the game was up when they saw that Nursey was onto them. Just kidding Nursey ok so please do not have an aneurism.
Well it isn't exactly some sort of startling, eye-widening conspiracy for me (not by this stage, anyway). It's just a straight up, depressing fact of life that i've unfortunately had to accept and deal with in order to grasp the true nature of events that are shaping the middle east and global politics. Israel - at best - has an undue level of influence over American foreign policy, and at worst is directly steering or controlling it, the latter being the more likely since the heavily pro-Zionist neocons came to power. I know i'm not a racist or bigot, therefore i'm unafraid to broach certain subjects, because real people really dying take priority over an imagined hypothetical risk of people (of any race or religion) dying. I make no apology for calling a spade a spade, as i see it. If you can't see what i see, i suspect you may be guilty of positive discrimination due to the taboos surrounding the area, because the whole thing is far from being well hidden. And your comment in the media thread "and these are the sparks of genius that light the fire in Joes eyes" would also suggest you see the subject in simple extremes of black and white. That anyone who suggests such stuff is guilty of the sort of narrow mindedness, racism or bigotry we come to associate with the likes of Joeslogic. If you think it's that simple, you'll never see things realistically. As Joe kindly helped to demonstrate, criticising Zionism doesn't mean you are a hate filled bigot any more than supporting Zionism means you aren't one. In fact, hate filled bigots are commonly amongst those who most avidly support Israel, and non-racist humanitarians those who are most vehemently against it. Perhaps it is you who is racist, because i somehow can't envisage you (or Joe) casually overlooking the significance of an extremely motivated and powerful Muslim or Seikh lobby exacting formidable amounts of pressure on individuals to vote for or against legislation, like you overlook AIPAC as it intimidates and bribes members of congress in order to push through or veto policies that favour Israel. Especially one that is caught spying on America. Or a disproportionately high percentage of dual nationality Americans holding some of THE most influential positions in government and media if they were American-Asian. Or if, say, a Chinese company had complete control and 'backdoor access' to any and all American telecommunications, (including those of the Whitehouse!). Tell me why, then, is it ok when that other country is Israel? Or maybe it's just that the very idea of a !!C:-ONSPIRACY!! is too 'outlandish' for you to genuinely consider. In that case, get over it - sometimes these things really do happen. Considering the bulk of evidence which is at first glance already completely visible, i think if you haven't already spotted the 'elephant in the living room', you never will - no matter how much compelling info i am able to provide you. Unless of course you are ready to level the playing field and quit making special allowances. You want data? >>Go do some reading. I'll leave it up to you to decide what is and isn't significant, though to be honest, i don't hold much hope of you venturing too far outside the state sanctioned, 'ADL approved', politically correct thought space you (like most others here) appear to inhabit on the subject.
That's ok. As it happens, i was going to say in my previous post to you that it is tricky to keep up with it all considering the amount of shifting allegiances, deals, double deals and outright deceptions.
Well there are two basic pools of social theory at play in American politics and in those two polarizing pools cover most every type of ideology. Thank god neither pool has ever been capable of gaining any real controlling power over the other. It is what keeps us level and moderate. Our founding fathers spent years coming up with a constitution that is the cornerstone foundation of our system. One does not have to use a lot of imagination to make an association between this constitution and the covenant of the Old Testament. This is not by accident. American democracy shares a lot of the same ideology as the ancient Jewish state because the founding fathers we above all first and foremost advocates of Judeo Christian principals. The Jewish people have never been a real threat to our country but rather an ally. These so called “pro-Zionist Neocons” you speak of however? Well that theory just simply does not pan out. While the Jews or the Zionist as you call them do exert a lot of influence in the arena of American politics. This Jewish influence goes in two basic categories, influencing peoples minds via media and education, and influencing election outcomes via money. Both of which are 80 percent pro democrat. The Republicans get screwed by the American Jews every election year money wise. The conservatives get screwed 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365.2422 days a year by the Jewish media. It is not just the news or the talk shows but the biggest influence is the subtle influence if populism, what is cool and what is not. Just look at the sitcoms All cool, righteous, and truly moral people are liberals. All fake, pretentious, boring, judgmental, hypocritical people are conservative. Look at children’s movies always a moral to the story. Cartoons more of the same and the underlining point is Conservatives are wrong Liberals are right. Right now people of great influence in the media business have proposed legislation to take away licenses to meteorologist who go on TV and do not tow the line on the idea of man made global warming. You love to mention the book 1984 and speak of the threat of Orwellian proportions being engaged by the “Neocons.” Because it has not been brought to your attention that the proponents of big government power are not the “Conservatives” but the “Liberals”. The collective American people are not outraged because they have not been told yet that something outrageous is taking place. They will not be told because the Jews and the Liberals are in control of what information is disseminated to the collective mass of American people. Even to the level of actually getting away with telling the people how they feel when they are given a morsel of information about the information that they are receiving. All that having been said however you are absolutely correct about the Jews having to much leverage in American politics.
