The war in Iraq has been won by the US

Right. So you just dismissed a post i did drawing from my own knowledge as well as a variety of different sources, about 7 in all (none of which were 'The Monster Raving Loony Party' or 'Stormfront' or anything similarly ridiculous) straight out of hand. 'Fair and balanced', hmm?
I have no choice but to hear the warring sides' propaganda as that is the default 'cattle feed' version in the West, but at least i have a more rounded view of things before i make up my mind.

 

I read your post, but when you quote something that is long winded and talks in circles I just lose interest. I guess it's the typical America ADD, and instead of doping up, I just let it run it's course. I think to say my mind is 'made up' is kind of a false statement. I think I have my opinions and they will change, they do change, but at any given moment I might feel totally against a lot of stuff, or totally for it. I just dont believe in this 'utopian' Iraq pre-invasion. Would it be pre-gulf war, when Iraq, the peace loving country that it is invaded Kuwait?

 

General foresees 'generational war' against terrorism

This is what I have been complaining about all along but the Demoncrats want to sieze the oppertunity for political gain.

General foresees 'generational war' against terrorism
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 13, 2006


The American people need to prepare for a long-duration war against radical Muslims who are set to fight for 50 to 100 years to create an Islamist state in the region, a top Pentagon strategist in the war on terror says.
Air Force Brig. Gen. Mark O. Schissler said in an interview that the current strategy for fighting Islamists includes both military and ideological components that make it similar to the 40-year Cold War against communism.
"We're in a generational war. You can try and fight the enemy where they are and where they're attacking you, or prevent them and defend your own homeland," said Gen. Schissler, deputy director for the war on terrorism within the strategic plans office of the Pentagon's Joint Staff.
"But that's not enough to stop it. We've got to break the chain, and that's ... the ideology. We really need to show the errors in Islamist extremist thinking."
Gen. Schissler said he is concerned that Washington politics is weakening the will of the nation.
"I don't care about the politics. I care about people understanding the facts of what's our enemy is thinking about, what's our strategy to defeat them, and for [Americans] to understand that it will take a long fight, mostly because our enemy is committed to the long fight," he said. "They're absolutely committed to the 50-, 100-year plan."
"One of my concerns is how to maintain the American will, the public will over that duration," he said.
America's past wars lasted three to four years and sustaining support for longer wars "is very difficult," he said.
A Joint Staff briefing on the long war against terrorism states that since 2001, more than 3,000 al Qaeda terrorists are held in more than 100 nations, including 500 in Pakistan, while two-thirds of al Qaeda leaders are dead or in prison.
More than 17 terrorist attacks were disrupted since 2001, including three in the United States and two in Europe.
Al Qaeda's ultimate goal, the general said, is to set up an extremist "caliphate" stretching from western North Africa through southern Europe and along a path through the Middle East to Central and Southeast Asia.
"We're pretty convinced that the extremists are not ever going to give up the fight," Gen. Schissler said, noting that they are driven by the concept of jihad that makes it a religious duty to wage terrorist war.
The current war on terrorism requires fighting with ideas. In the Cold War, "we didn't beat ...the communists by militarily taking them to the battlefield," he said. "We took them to the intellectual battlefield and beat them against their ideas, the ideology of communism."
One goal is to disrupt al Qaeda efforts to "radicalize" young people ages 19 to 25 through educational efforts. Another objective is to assist moderate Muslims who see extremism as unacceptable.
Ultimately, Muslim scholars, clerics and other religious and government leaders will have to "take a stand," albeit one that carries grave risks because of the extremists' harsh methods, Gen. Schissler said.

 

Joe, do you understand the bullshit you post? or do you ask permission from your "pastor"? Ugh, even more reason to hate Neocons and Christians.

 

Talk about going round in circles!? :-\
And the reply to your original sarcastic comment about the Kurds was quite plainly and clearly stated in the post i directed you to, but since you are having difficulties, allow me to help focus your mind in a way that might you might be more used to...



And as i said before (see above link), it doesn't need to be a 'Utopia' to be an infinite improvement on the way it is now. Just pre-Gulf war 2, before that peace loving country America invaded it would do.

 

Joe, do you understand the bullshit you post? or do you ask permission from your "pastor"? Ugh, even more reason to hate Neocons and Christians.

With all due respect Dwaine I think you are probably an alright person and I do not necessarily think your an idiot but you say the same thing all the time replying to my post and it makes no since. Specifically what are you talking about?

 

Im not sure how murder and corruption before GW2 is better than murder and corruption post/during GW2. I guess the difference is now that the 'terrorist' that Iraq claimed to not be harboring, are now killing more Iraqis than coalition forces it is 'bad' in your mind?

 

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Good one, Phat! ;D And here is a joke from Iraq for you...

George Bush meets the Iraqi prime minister to discuss the timescale for an exit strategy. He wants to know exactly when the last of the Iraqis should be out of the country by.

 

Well, looking around my local area, I see that a lot of Iraqis are here. And I think I would leave to if'n I was an Iraqi. And some that I have talked to said they left because of the saddam era issues, from before the 1st gulf war. Back in the good old days.....when they feared for their lives and the lives of their family members.

 

I have relatives who left because of 'Saddam issues'. My relatives were complaining about 'Saddam issues' while Saddam was being given a friendly slap on the back by the West. One of my relatives disappeared for three years after trying to desert during the Iran-Iraq war. Nobody knew if he was alive or dead (though he was released eventually). And god help anyone who tried to destabilise the state, because then your life would be at risk. They don't treat such matters lightly in a place that has always lived on the edge (who would? Look how the U.S. government, who have no risk of being usurped asserted their authority at WACO before you get all holier than thou). But now, those things pale into insignificance in the light of what's happened since the U.S. invaded. And in fact, the iron fist of Saddam was necessary to hold such a volatile country together. He was severe, but there were definite benefits. And the sort of things you had to be careful about whilst living in Saddam's Iraq are the sort of things which are becoming more and more common here in the West. Except, the benefits we get from our society are being stripped away while our freedoms are diminished. And this is just the thin end of the wedge.

 

Very well put.

Even though I would never say I was holier than thou.....

 

Intriguing point.

 

(who would? Look how the U.S. government, who have no risk of being usurped asserted their authority at WACO before you get all holier than thou). But now, those things pale into insignificance in the light of what's happened since the U.S. invaded. And in fact, the iron fist of Saddam was necessary to hold such a volatile country together. He was severe, but there were definite benefits. And the sort of things you had to be careful about whilst living in Saddam's Iraq are the sort of things which are becoming more and more common here in the West.

I agree to that almost totally.

 

Yes ! George Walker Bush of Texas has won the war in Iraq for you. Against the might of the Obladi-Wahabladabis. Why dont General George show bitch Nancy how he treats samoans stealing the minimum wages from sat down shat upon citizens ? Genral George would take that samosa and the bitch would bite thin air. General George and Chairman Sylvestre can give the somosa people their freedom, and save them from Nancy Pelosi. Evil demoncrap bitch denies pastry people minimum wage. Bitch !

( Would never get past the jew-communist controlled media ).