Poor Tookie Williams (brace yourself for the pics)

These pictures should be plastered on tv screens every 15 min. till Tookie is dead:

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/tookiewilliamsvictims.html

Instead its this kind of crap:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...08296_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRIME-EXECUTION-TOOKIE.xml

 

Well thats the problem with America, It does not like to be faced with things it makes.

I mean lets not kid ourselfs. Tookie is a product of Ghetto America. A lot of Americans know its there, But they want to pretend its not. Not an excuse for what he did. I say hang him up by his balls.

America is all about causes and fighting for the little guy they think is getting the raw deal. This is just another Terry Shivo to keep them busy til the next cause comes up.

 

grim when i look at your new sig all i can see is this

 

i was talking to one of the managers at work about this and he said some statistics which i have yet to verify..... but here they go anyways..... something like 85% of the people on death row are black/hispanic...... 90% of all violent crimes committed by black people are against black people... out of the 85% of the black/hispanic inmates on death row 90% are there for crimes against non blacks/hispanics.....


look i honestly don't know if that man should/shouldn't be executed, i just like to present both sides of the argument...... and honestly..... he was someone who still had something to contribute to the world.... seems like a big waste

 

Let me verify for you - another death row myth bites the dust.

Quote - "Since the death penalty was reinstated by the Supreme Court in 1976, more than half of those under sentence of death have been white."

Of persons executed in 2004:
-- 36 were white
-- 19 were black
-- 3 were Hispanic (all white)
-- 1 Asian




While it may be true that Blacks are more likely to receive the Death Penalty than Whites, it is a far cry from an "All Black" death row like the media would have us think.



Barry

 

thank you kindly young sir i stand corrected

 

It remains a fact that Blacks are around 17% of the population, yet make up 45% +/- of the prison population.

The problem is not that they are discriminated against, but that they actually commit a higher percentage of crimes than do Whites.

I am sure there are many reasons why this is true, and racism and poverty are surely contributing factors.

The fact is - the courts don't necessarily convict Blacks at a higher rate, although it does appear that way at times.

Barry

 

We gon git yo ass muthafucka! Racist sumbitch! :evil:

 

First time I ever seen those, Joe. I have seen quite a bit of Tookie, to whom I have 1000000,000 times more respect for than I do for Ed Asner and Mike Farrell. I only hope some day to see the faces of someone they love more than life itself, as shot up as the woman in that picture, by another Tookie.

 

LH said:

I only hope some day to see the faces of someone they love more than life itself, as shot up as the woman in that picture

That takes another murder, LH, are you for killing relatives of murderers ?

If you want less inocent americans killed you should remove the deathpenalty.

 

I am hardly a racist. I work everyday with mostly a Black/inner city/juvenile offender caseload. I am doing my part to reverse the statistics.

Barry

 

No, XerxesX. Relatives of murderers are victims too.
Whether or not I personally support the death penalty is irrelevant. Unlike some countries, here in the US, we the people have a say in the making of the laws that govern us. Some states have elected to have the death penalty in crimes of a heinous nature, while others opt for life in prison. California, once opted for life in prison. However, later on they elected to bring back the death penalty. It's the law!

 

I was just pulling your leg, Barry. I apologize if I have offended you.

 

Lh wrote
No, XerxesX. Relatives of murderers are victims too.
Whether or not I personally support the death penalty is irrelevant. Unlike some countries, here in the US, we the people have a say in the making of the laws that govern us. Some states have elected to have the death penalty in crimes of a heinous nature, while others opt for life in prison. California, once opted for life in prison. However, later on they elected to bring back the death penalty. It's the law!
X writes
Its still possible to legislate on a federal level. Nigeria has the same problem with sharia-legislation in muslim-dominated states and another law in christian, and animist areas. That means people get stoned and hands and noses cut off. Its the law, but its not OK.

A killer allready facing deathpenalty is more likely to kill again. The old testament revenge thing is quite expensive in human lives. I agree that the law should be respected, but people allso have an obligation to rize up against misrule. Deathrow seems an expensive cup of tea.

 

I have developed very thick skin on Fugly, Lucy. I am just very sensitive to the racist accusation.

I was born in Birmingham, Alabama in 1959. I was in grade school in the 60's, so I saw racism up close and personal. I have worked very hard not to be a part of that dynamic.

Barry

 

Henceforth, this is the reason for treating the justice system with utmost respect, and appoint judges who take their enormous responsibility seriously. Not appoint activist judges who see there appointment as an opportunity to rewrite law.

If every once in a while the legal system fails us and falsely incriminates a person then that is a tragedy. However it is important that there should be a system nonetheless.

Someone I'm sure is about to post some sort of statistic that shows there is a great many times when the legal system failed us. I would say that these statistics are not as accurate as the anti-death penalty group tends to promote. Often times there are situations where a piece of evidence maybe one of ten pieces of evidence is refuted. Be cause this piece of evidence is found to be faulty then the whole case is thrown out despite the overwhelming evidence of guilt. You tend to see this on the true case documentary type of shows on TV.

These shows are a little deceiving a typical scenario would be a documentary on Lizzie Borden stating that new dna evidence proves that blood on her shows turned out to be the blood of a goat therefore…. Never mind the five eye-witnesses

(Lizzie Borden is just an example I have not studied weather there were witnesses to her slaying of her parents)

 

Yup Joe ! Id like to add that the prime reason, in my view, for abolishing the deathpenalty, no matter the country, is to protect those that end up as the victims of criminals who has reached a level of crime and evidence that makes them certain of death after arrest. This undoubtedly leads to a hightened desperation. The legal system is after all, all we have , as a defence against arbitrary acts of aggresion and transgression. Apart from the amerindian matter, I admire the USs implementation of law within its wast geo and demo-graphical reaches. I do not know the Borden-case, but id like to think of alternative ending to shootings, where killers continued killing to hide their tracks, or simply, run a bit longer.

"I am the law" Judge Dread.

 

BULLSHIT. I don't care how many 'statistics' you throw at me, nothing will ever convince me that blacks commit more crimes than whites. They just get caught more, becuase that is the way the system is.

Now I ain't gonna talk about Tookie here. I am going to talk about the death penalty. 68 people on death row were later found innocent later, courtesy dna and other factors, and released.

I am personally waiting for the day when the Innocence Project is not so busy trying to save lives that they have the time to start digging up those who were executed and use whatever evidence may be left to find the ones that didn't indeed do the crime.

You don't think we haven't ever killed an innocent person? Of course we have..the statistical odds you like so much favor it even.

How about we do what the former Illinois governor did and declare a moratorium on all executions until we do two things. One, make sure beyond not a 'reasonable' but beyond a shadow of any doubt that the person we are killing is innocent. Two, make the 'playing field level'. Don't give capital punishment cases to overworked public defenders. Get a lottery system going where every attorney has to do some time defending a poor client, not just capital cases, but for all that are accused of felonies, something like a fatcat greedy fucking lawyer version of jury duty.

Let some corporate or ambulance chasing attorney have to do some kinda public service like that. And make get hit where it hurts if he loses the cases, double his taxes or some shit, to make him really work for the client.

If revamping the entire US deathrow system means that some scum breathe air longer, so be it. If it gives one innocent person their life it was worth it. Let's not commit murder as a nation. Let's take however long it takes to revamp the system to make sure that when we do restore it that it is fair and just and not based on how much money someone has to defend themself.

After all, the only reason OJ is walking is because he had money to hire the best, bottom line. And the only reason some people fried is because they didn't. Do you have the statistic for how many rich motherfuckers ended up on death row? I would really love to see that.

There are people that deserve to die and should. But the way things are set up, I think we really need to sort all this shit out before we as a nation use the law to kill again.

 

er..this is the problem with a no edit button..NOT innocent I meant. :?

 

I see you don't beleive ststistics, yet you use them, albeit no reference to a source. Yep, you have bleeding heart liberal written all over your ignorant ass.