Is there any doubt now?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Joeslogic, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Joeslogic

    Joeslogic Active Member

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    It seems that President Mel Zelaya miscalculated when he tried to emulate the success of his good friend Hugo in reshaping the Honduran Constitution to his liking.

    But Honduras is not out of the Venezuelan woods yet. Yesterday the Central American country was being pressured to restore the authoritarian Mr. Zelaya by the likes of Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hillary Clinton and, of course, Hugo himself.


    Hugo Chávez's coalition-building efforts suffered a setback yesterday when the Honduran military sent its president packing for abusing the nation's constitution.

    It seems that President Mel Zelaya miscalculated when he tried to emulate the success of his good friend Hugo in reshaping the Honduran Constitution to his liking.

    But Honduras is not out of the Venezuelan woods yet. Yesterday the Central American country was being pressured to restore the authoritarian Mr. Zelaya by the likes of Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hillary Clinton and, of course, Hugo himself. The Organization of American States, having ignored Mr. Zelaya's abuses, also wants him back in power. It will be a miracle if Honduran patriots can hold their ground.
    [THE AMERICAS] Associated Press

    That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.

    But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

    The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.

    Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.

    The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica.

    It remains to be seen what Mr. Zelaya's next move will be. It's not surprising that chavistas throughout the region are claiming that he was victim of a military coup. They want to hide the fact that the military was acting on a court order to defend the rule of law and the constitution, and that the Congress asserted itself for that purpose, too.

    Mrs. Clinton has piled on as well. Yesterday she accused Honduras of violating "the precepts of the Interamerican Democratic Charter" and said it "should be condemned by all." Fidel Castro did just that. Mr. Chávez pledged to overthrow the new government.

    Honduras is fighting back by strictly following the constitution. The Honduran Congress met in emergency session yesterday and designated its president as the interim executive as stipulated in Honduran law. It also said that presidential elections set for November will go forward. The Supreme Court later said that the military acted on its orders. It also said that when Mr. Zelaya realized that he was going to be prosecuted for his illegal behavior, he agreed to an offer to resign in exchange for safe passage out of the country. Mr. Zelaya denies it.

    Many Hondurans are going to be celebrating Mr. Zelaya's foreign excursion. Street protests against his heavy-handed tactics had already begun last week. On Friday a large number of military reservists took their turn. "We won't go backwards," one sign said. "We want to live in peace, freedom and development."

    Besides opposition from the Congress, the Supreme Court, the electoral tribunal and the attorney general, the president had also become persona non grata with the Catholic Church and numerous evangelical church leaders. On Thursday evening his own party in Congress sponsored a resolution to investigate whether he is mentally unfit to remain in office.

    For Hondurans who still remember military dictatorship, Mr. Zelaya also has another strike against him: He keeps rotten company. Earlier this month he hosted an OAS general assembly and led the effort, along side OAS Secretary General José Miguel Insulza, to bring Cuba back into the supposedly democratic organization.

    The OAS response is no surprise. Former Argentine Ambassador to the U.N. Emilio Cárdenas told me on Saturday that he was concerned that "the OAS under Insulza has not taken seriously the so-called 'democratic charter.' It seems to believe that only military 'coups' can challenge democracy. The truth is that democracy can be challenged from within, as the experiences of Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and now Honduras, prove." A less-kind interpretation of Mr. Insulza's judgment is that he doesn't mind the Chávez-style coup.

    The struggle against chavismo has never been about left-right politics. It is about defending the independence of institutions that keep presidents from becoming dictators. This crisis clearly delineates the problem. In failing to come to the aid of checks and balances, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Insulza expose their true colors.

    And now Obama openly stands against the people and their country's constitution taking side with the Honduran dictator, the Cuban dictator, and the Venezuelan dictator.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE55S5J220090629?sp=true
     
  2. Cheezedawg

    Cheezedawg New Member

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    This thread is called "Is there any doubt now?"

    Well... a doubt as to what?
     
  3. BullGod666

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    Is there any doubt now that Joe is a conspiracy theorist?
     
  4. phatboy

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    There is no doubt that H-Rod is a communist baby killer. Hugo needs to be introduced to the business end of a .50 cal from about 2000 yards. Of course if that could happen while H-Rod was standing behind him.....that would just be poetic justice.
     
  5. Joeslogic

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    Ok I'll play along what is the conspiracy? :confused:
     
  6. Joeslogic

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    Gee willakers cheezepuff I dunno. :confused:
     
  7. Joeslogic

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    You know a movie was produced on the bitch actually truthful instead of the Mikey Moore propaganda and it was buried by Disney. Or shall we say blocked by big corporate media.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hillary+movie&docid=995189523069&FORM=VIRE6

    http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=hillary+movie&FORM=EPRE
     
  8. phatboy

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    Dont worry Joe.

    Real AMERICANS will do what needs to be done. I just hope the idiots realize its for their own good.
     
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  10. Cheezedawg

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    Again I ask.... any doubt as to what?
     
  11. Joeslogic

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    I dunno Cheese.
     
  12. Cheezedawg

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    Well shit! Then call the thread "Honduran president wants to come home". I guess there's no doubt about that.
     
  13. phatboy

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    To perform a proper coup one must not only dethrone the current regime but also kill its leader. I hope this empowers chavez and kim jong ils people.
     
  14. Cheezedawg

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    Stalin preformed a successful coup without killing Lenin. And Castro did it without killing the then current leader of Cuba. Marcos even escaped from the Phillipines. So killing the leader isn't always necessary.
     
  15. Joeslogic

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    The Honduran courts, people, and military were obeying the law.

    The one violating the law was the communist puppet that Hugo was trying to prop up as the supposed elected president.
     
  16. Cheezedawg

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    To be totally honest, Castro gets a lot of shit for no reason. Back in the late 50s, the people of Cuba were unhappy with their government. Castro led a rebellion and overthrew the current establishment. Most of the leaders at the time fled the country... leaving the people to fend for themselves in the new way of things. It's a good thing that most of the people WANTED Castro... otherwise another rebellion would start.

    When Castro met with Vice-president Nixon (Eisenhower was too busy golfing at Camp David), Nixon believed Castro to be a communist and therefore a threat. Despite Fidel's peaceful attempt to be diplomatic with America, Cuba was made an enemy of the US... EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT DO A DAMN THING TO US!!

    In hopes of bankrupting Cuba, we decided to put trade restrictions against buying Cuban sugar... their main export. It would have worked, except the Russians agreed to buy all the sugar they could make. Thus, Russia became the friend of Cuba.

    For the next few years, The U.S. made many attempts on Castro's life. They financed and secretly trained guerillas to sabotage his sugar plants. They even tried to poison Castro so his beard would fall out and lose face with his people. Eventually it all culminated into The Bay Of Pigs fiasco and the Cuban Missle Crisis. Castro never once sent any assassins to kill any of our leaders.

    So why do we hate Castro? The people of Cuba don't. The ones who don't like it there float on rafts to America. The reason we are such pricks is because we are not tolerant of other people's way of life. If they want to be communist... let them! We like those commie Ruskies just fine now.
     
  17. phatboy

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    And Lenin did what to get power?

    Marcos 'ESCAPED' from the Phillipines.

    Castro has killed more Cubans than Miami Vice.

    While killing the leader isnt necessary, it does limit the chance of them coming back and trying to rule again.
     
  18. Cheezedawg

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    Well... he WAS elected. Let the president come back to Honduras and face trial. It seems like he was found guilty and exiled without one. If the courts find him guilty, impeach him and elect another one.
     
  19. Cheezedawg

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    Lenin killed the Czar. Marcos (whose revolution was funded by us) died in exile. And Fidel.... well you know how I feel about Fidel.

    I'm trying to think back in history to a time when an outed leader returned. I know some monarchies kept successors hidden for years until the people choose to return to the old ways. But I can't think of a leader returning from exile in modern times....
     
  20. phatboy

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    General Douglas MacArthur :)

    Didnt Napolean return?

    I cant think of anyone else.
     

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