Not sure this is true but if it is this is way over the top. here is the article: Ben Stein: Half of Stimulus Goes to Unions Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:01 PM Columnist Ben Stein has taken a close look at President Barack Obama's proposed $820 billion stimulus package, and made some eye-opening discoveries. Writing for Spectator.com and NYPost.com, Stein calculates that: # The House of Representatives debated the bill for eight hours, or roughly $102 billion per hour. # Only 10 percent of the stimulus funds would be spent in 2009. # Almost half of the $820 billion would end up in the pockets of Democratic-controlled unions, such as the Service Employees International Union, and federal, state, and municipal employee unions. # At 680 pages long, neither Obama nor any member of the House had enough time to read the entire bill before the House voted. # The $820 billion would be enough to give every unemployed American $75,000. Says Stein: "There has been pork-barrel politics since there has been politics, but the scale of this pork is beyond what had ever been imagined before -- and no one can be sure it will actually do much stimulation. ... This has been a punch in the solar plexus to the kind of responsible, far-seeing, mature government processes that are needed to protect America."
Ben Stein the guy that had his own comedy show? I think this is all bullshit. How the fuck can the government give 400 billion dollars to tax exempt unions? Can't be true.
I believe it was based on the original figures before the pork inflation. And bailout of the major automakers was deemed as a union giveaway since the major three automakers would be fine if it were not for the union overhead costs.
the automakers are getting 25 billion total not 450 billion. Once again, if not for unions setting the standard, we'd all be working for slave wages like the chinese and all the sweatshop workers in the third world nations.
Have you seen the bill cause I have not. Here is some of the rumored infrastructure package. I'm sure all will go to Union outfits. $30 billion: Transportation projects $31 billion: Construction and repair of federal buildings and other public infrastructure $19 billion: Water projects $10 billion: Rail and mass transit projects There is 90 billion to add But Harry Reid has apparently admitted not it could reach a Trillion. The Democrats are earmarking the hell out of this bill.
still only 10% and not a giveaway like you made it sound. No-one knows who will get the jobs and I'd rather have skilled tradesmen doing the work rather than a company using illegal immigrants to save a buck.
Could be worse. Could be going into the pockets of greedy bank CEOs like the last "stimulus package" drafted by George W. I'm sure Bush is saying something like "Who would have thought the bosses of these greedy banks would be so greedy??"
I think its funny that all these people make W out to be a retard in one statement, then make him out to be a genius in another one. This recession has been in motion since slick willy dropped a lot of the restrictions on Fanny May and Freddie Mac. Then you throw in predatory lending practices and you have a whole bunch of useless people getting loans that they cant afford. Buying cars on 6 or 7 year notes. Not to mention the price of vehicles is retarded. 50+ K for a diesel pickup truck is stupid (I paid less for my house). Then all these people throwing their credit, lives away with ARMS. I mean an Interest only loan on a 400k house? Sure the payment might be 1200 now, but when it comes due BAM foreclosure, then they need help because they are stupid. I think the average income in my area is 36k or so. All the new neighborhoods going up, are 300-400k (not counting the ones that are close to 1mil) I dont understand who they are building these houses for. It's frustrating cause the bailout shouldnt even be happening. Times are tough for everybody, but the 'big three' are going to take a huge chunk of that money to stay afloat. Piss on em. Go back to building quality cars at a reasonable price, you will sell more.
I don't think any of the American presidents lately are geniuses. You keep voting knobs in, so suck it up.
Whoa backup now. You apparently have the inside scoop? All those apparently top secret numbers. Please do give them up. I'm quoting an article by someone who supposedly knows. I'm not the source I'm just one of the mushrooms being kept in the dark. If you have the real actual bill with all the numbers itemized in a consistent and written in a manner that leaves nothing to interpritation. Please share.
And specifically : And imagine this they are needing to be bailed out? The union like a mass of leaches has sucked them dry. So as a solution all citizens should give a pint of blood to the ailing big three. All the while pretending we don't notice the ever growing mass of leaches sucking away, becoming stronger, and giving millions to the DNC.
Also I have a quote from a guy in California that is currently unemployed. He goes out and works union contract jobs but they are only day jobs. Actually I believe it is designed that way so the people can still draw unemployment. These jobs pay 30.00 to 60.00 and hour though. And he says when he goes in there that the people are not being properly screened there are illegals working them competing with him. He is liberal and pro union. And PISSED. OK here is the actual quote: These tax payer projects go largely to unions. My dad after retirement from his lifelong job in the oil industry of over thirty years, took a sweetheart job for TVA he is an engineer and I will not get into the details but it was six figures. He got disgusted and quit. He said a team of 15 guys would spend a week playing cards and sitting around in the end accomplishing what five could have done on any given day. He hated it and hated listening to the indoctrinated crybabies preach their socialist theories all day long. Bitching about Bush and the war all of it anti-American. He quit and just went home. Does work when he decides he wants to now as a consultant.
You are the one spouting numbers, I'm only doing the basic math that you evidently can't do. 90 billion out of a 900 billion bill is 10% I believe, unless the new math has changed that.
Pffft! Not biting sorry. I already explained I was only posting a link headline and all to an article I got off of in this case Newsmax.com. So your point is moot. It is not my math and all the numbers are not there. UNLESS YOU HAVE THEM. See get it? I stand by my claim that the claim was made. It's like bob tells me he has 200.00 in his pocket. I tell you "Hey Bob says he has 200.00 in his pocket." Suzie says "Part of what Bob has in his 200.00 pocket consists of a 20 and a 10. You tell me I dunno how to do math and this goes in a circle back and forth. I can explain it only so many ways then I'm just repeating myself.
Have you ever taken any issue with the sheer magnitude of this bailout, how it will be paid for, who will benefit, how will initial monies spent creating a net gain be sustained?
Absolutely. I was just answering your ridiculous statement that unions would be getting half the 900 billion bailout (now 790 billion). We'll be paying for this twice over and see no return on it. They should have split the now 1.5 trillion total bailout amongst the tax payers of the country if they wanted to stimulate the economy instead of bailing out the banks that had a big hand in it.
Right well I agree whole heartedly it would be better to just give the money out. As for the statement that was the headline I copied and pasted. I wish I could see the figures but I honestly don't know the figures I did some research to try to find out and cannot find it. In the end they could just come up with any ole number and just throw it there (like teratrillibillion) and say "This is what we need" and get their wish because the people of this country have no real perception of what a number like that actually is. I do know this what you are seeing is a redistribution of wealth from the hard workers to the Democratic interests. The filthy rich Socialist that have no real skills but only take money from the skilled. Who out funded the Republicans by three to one. The ones who's presidents campaign funded 3/4 Billion dollars and is not being audited interestingly enough. Is the most corrupted administration in decades now has more money in their hands than any other administration in the history of this country. All based on a lie.
