Zelaya another communist dictator if Obama can help.

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    His sign reads: “We don’t have oil. We don’t have dollars. But we have balls!”

    God bless the Honduran people for having the balls to stand up for their legal rights. If that fagot Zelaya keeps trying to invade their country with the help of Obama and the Hildabeast they should just kill him and get it over with.

     
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    The Dumbing Down of Democracy
    Obama's reluctance to stand up for Western political values is dangerous.



    Honduras Is Following Its Law and Constitution


    Regarding your editorial "The Wages of Chávismo" (July 1): Please hear our cry. We are fighting for democracy in Honduras. The United Nations, the Organization of American States and other international institutions are condemning us, while they should be praising us. Our ex-President Manuel "Mel" Zelaya wants to change our constitution and perpetuate his time in power. His alliance with Hugo Chávez says it all.

    Do not forsake us. There is hope in Honduras, and for the first time we feel our judicial system, military, human-rights interests, churches and businesses are all working for a better Honduras. Mr. Zelaya is manipulating the international opinion against our peaceful country.

    Raúl Flores
    Tegucigalpa, Honduras

    I'm a U.S. and Honduran citizen and I'm appalled by President Barack Obama's position on the Honduran crisis. I voted for him in November expecting he would support democratic movements. I'm afraid to say he's not supported the interim government of President Roberto Micheletti as he should.

    Former President Zelaya was a corrupt hegemonic president who ruled with an iron fist and was bent on breaking the law. America should be horrified that Mr. Zelaya sought to modify the Honduran constitution by illegal means. President Obama's continued recognition of the Zelaya administration is embarrassing because it displays a lack of an understanding of what is really going on.

    Honduras has always been a staunch ally of the U.S. At the moment that the country needed America the most, history will remember President Obama siding with dictators over democracy.

    A. Rosales
    New York

    I join the rest of the region in condemning the Honduran coup. I totally understand that President Zelaya overstepped his boundaries in attempting to change the constitution. This is totally unacceptable. However, the army is not the institution in charge of carrying out the rule of law. It should not have gotten involved.

    One cannot purport to support democracy yet endorse the use of military force to act against someone we do not like. That's not democracy. Mr. Zelaya should have been arrested and the Honduran people should have had the opportunity to protest and vote for or against all constitutional changes.

    Supporting a coup now would only work against our democratic ideals in the future. What happens when a similar set of events is perpetrated against someone we like? We cannot be for this today and against it tomorrow. This is exactly the kind of attitude that has made the U.S. unpopular in the region in the past. Your views on this event are totally wrong.

    Mario A. Yearwood
    Houston

    One must ask how bad can the Obama administration's judgment get? Ousted Honduran President Zelaya is a bad guy aligned with the Castro brothers and Hugo Chávez -- these people are not our friends, and never will be. All Americans should cheer the realignment in Honduras.

    Bob Jack
    North Las Vegas, Nev.

    It is curious and disheartening that the Obama administration's first impulse was to support the leftist leader trying to overturn the constitution in Honduras. When the Honduran congress, attorney general, supreme court, military and a large segment of the population are against you, you have lost what Thomas Jefferson wrote was "the consent of the governed." Hasta la vista, el presidente.

    John Carlson
    St. Petersburg, Fla.
     
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    Honduras at the Tipping Point
    Why is the U.S. not supporting the rule of law?

    Hundreds of emails from Hondurans flooded my in-box last week after I reported on the military's arrest of President Manuel Zelaya, as ordered by the Supreme Court, and his subsequent banishment from the country.

    Mr. Zelaya's violations of the rule of law in recent months were numerous. But the tipping point came 10 days ago, when he led a violent mob that stormed a military base to seize and distribute Venezuelan-printed ballots for an illegal referendum.

    All but a handful of my letters pleaded for international understanding of the threat to the constitutional democracy that Mr. Zelaya presented. One phrase occurred again and again: "Please pray for us."


    Raul Castro, left, Manuel Zelaya, center, and Hugo Chavez in Managua, Nicaragua, June 29.

    Hondurans have good cause for calling on divine intervention: Reason has gone AWOL in places like Turtle Bay and Foggy Bottom. Ruling the debate on Mr. Zelaya's behavior is Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chávez, who is now the reigning international authority on "democracy."

    Mr. Chávez is demanding that Mr. Zelaya be reinstated and is even threatening to overthrow the new Honduran president, Roberto Micheletti. He's leading the charge from the Organization of American States (OAS). The United Nations and the Obama administration are falling in line.

    Is this insane? You bet. We have fallen through the looking glass and it's time to review how hemispheric relations came to such a sad state.

    The story begins in 2004, when Mr. Chávez was still an aspiring despot and the U.S. pursued a policy of appeasement toward him. Not surprisingly, that only heightened his appetite for power.

    Mr. Chávez had already rewritten the Venezuelan Constitution, taken over the judiciary and the national electoral council (CNE), militarized the government, and staked out an aggressive, anti-American foreign policy promising to spread his revolution around the hemisphere.

    Many Venezuelans were alarmed, and the opposition had labored to collect signatures for a presidential recall referendum permitted under the constitution. As voting day drew near, Mr. Chávez behaved as if he knew his days were numbered. The European Union refused to send an observer team, citing lack of transparency. The OAS did send observers, and in the months and weeks ahead of the vote mission chief Fernando Jaramillo complained bitterly about the state's intimidation tactics against the population. Mr. Chávez gave OAS Secretary General César Gaviria an ultimatum: Either get Mr. Jaramillo out of the country or the referendum would be quashed. Mr. Chávez was appeased. Mr. Jaramillo was withdrawn.

    The Carter Center was also invited to "observe," and former President Jimmy Carter was welcomed warmly by Mr. Chávez upon his arrival in Venezuela.

    A key problem, beyond the corrupted voter rolls and government intimidation, was that Mr. Chávez did not allow an audit of his electronic voting machines. Exit polls showed him losing the vote decisively. But in the middle of the night, the minority members of the CNE were kicked out of the election command center. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Chávez claimed victory. There was never a credible audit of the paper ballots against the tallies in the voting machines.

    Mr. Carter's approval notwithstanding, the proper U.S. and OAS response was obvious: The process had been shrouded in state secrets and therefore it was impossible to endorse or reject the results. Venezuelan patriots begged for help from the outside world. Instead, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere, Roger Noriega, and the OAS blessed the charade.

    There was never any explanation for the blind endorsement, but behind the scenes there were claims that Mr. Chávez threatened to call his militia to the streets and spill blood. The oil fields were to be burned. To this day, the opposition contends that the U.S. and Mr. Gaviria made a cold calculation that caving in to Mr. Chávez would avoid violence.

    Predictably, Washington's endorsement of the flawed electoral process was a green light. Mr. Chávez grew more aggressive, emboldened by his "legitimate" status. He set about using his oil money to destabilize the Bolivian and Ecuadorean democracies and to help Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega and Argentina's Cristina Kirchner get elected. Soviet-backed Fidel Castro was able to intimidate his neighbors in the 1960s and '70s, and Mr. Chávez has done the same thing in the new millennium. This has given him vast power at the OAS.

    Hondurans had the courage to push back. Now Chávez-supported agitators are trying to stir up violence. Yesterday afternoon airline service was suspended in Tegucigalpa when Mr. Zelaya tried to return to the country and his plane was not permitted to land. There were reports of violence between his backers and troops.

    This is a moment when the U.S. ought to be on the side of the rule of law, which the Honduran court and Congress upheld. If Washington does not reverse course, it will be one more act of appeasement toward an ambitious and increasingly dangerous dictator.
     

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