11 Democrats busted spying for Russia, biggest bust since cold war

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  1. Joeslogic

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    Couldn't find where it says that they were democrats. Posting bullshit again by any chance? Or just yet, another infantile bull-baiting strategy by a worn out, bored middle-aged asshole? There lies the question...
     
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    Me thinks he's baiting you Wizard.:biggrin:
     
  4. Joeslogic

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    Damn it Bullgod!!!!! :mad:

    Honestly though who would a Communist vote for given the choice of a Socalist or a Republican?
     
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    They would vote for a communist.

    As is their right.
     
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    So they are Democrats then. My point exactly.
     
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    Democrats are not communists. Thats like calling Republicans Facists.
     
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    How so please explain in detail?
     
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    Democrats lean more towards social programs. They do not wish to see the government in control of everything dictating peoples lives and deciding who gets a better spot in the bread line. They still believe that hard work and dedication pays off, but they also believe its the governments job to oversee its progress and be sure that things are done fairly.

    Republicans also believe in these principles of hard work and dedication. They simply believe the government should not be such a watchdog. At the same time, they also believe in a small government run by very few people. And that the weak and/or helpless don't need government help to make it back on their feet.

    Facists are people who believe the government should be run by a small group of people as well. Their word is law and they are above it. They believe everything belongs to them and the people are merely there to provide it for them.

    So whats the difference between republicans believing the rich should control everything.... and facists believing the military should?

    ALOT!

    Same goes for democrats believing the government should provide for the less fortunate and require people to help them.... and communists who believe the government should provide EVERYTHING for EVERYONE regardless of wealth, social standing, or work ethic. It all gets divided equally.

    Sad thing is.... in all four of those situations the people who run things always end up on top with more than everyone else. Their way of rewarding themselves.

    So you see... democrats are not communists. Republicans are not facists. But they are both flawed and the answer is to be found somewhere in the middle.

    Joe, you are a smart guy. A blockhead yes.... but smart. If you could just focus that energy into having an open mind and seeing things from all perspectives, you might be able to come up with a manifesto that others would want to follow. Thiink on that.
     
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    There is no such thing as Communism on a national level. The national level form of centralized power is Socialism. Even under Nazi reign or Stalin, people (not that many) earned a wage. In Communism the members of the community do not receive a wage, what they receive is an exchange of service or benefits from the community. Hippies had those, they called them "Communes" or "Rainbows". One guy is charged with fetching firewood while another has to cook supper. They do not receive a wage for they efforts, instead they get to benefit from each other's work.
     
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    Cheese you put a bit of effort in your reply and on balance I mostly agree with what you say. I think there is a point to be made however and I would like you to consider what I have to say with an open mind. Busy as hell today I got all my yard work done Friday morning before work and it was not supposed to be this way but my wife has a list of shit for me a mile long. That's what I get for trying to get ahead.
     
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    And I have never met one that did not vote Democrat. :)

    Communist Party USA take a good hard look at their perspective and compare to your Democratic National Committee talking points.
     
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    True :)

    Not so sure. :rolleyes:

    Don't we all? :)

    And then some. :eek:

    Almost perfect! My way of putting it: Republicans believe in weak central government that bears the responsibility of protecting the citizens from a foreign threat and protecting the rights of the citizens granted to them by the constitution of the United states.

    This is a common misconception and one that is constantly repeated by the left. Republicans are compassionate about the weak and or helpless. Republicans know very well that the most inefficient way to assist the "Weak and or helpless" is by any federally funded program. For every tax dollar you spend on federal programs 80% goes into bureaucratic waste, 15% goes in the pockets of politicians and friends of them. 5 cent to the person in need who blows most of it on ill advised pursuits.

    True but I'll add.

    A whole lot. Facism is about as opposite from free market as you can get. ..... next to Socialism.

    True with government comes corruption so let's have less corruption through less government. ;)

    But pretty damn close

    Very true

    Man never made anything perfect. Nothing is.

    Ah yes the tendency to seek a middle road approach in any given political debate by most individuals.

    Joseph P. Overton has an interesting theory about this phenomenon


    I am more open minded than you think Cheese. The problem is America is slowly slouching to the left and has been for years actually decades for that matter. The reason is because the left controls the thinking of more than half the population. You can partially blame the current economic debacle on Mortgage loan officers who were greedy and you would be right. But certainly not on lack of regulation. It was regulations on bank that caused them to lend money to people they should not have. There should have already been a natural correction. But this has not happened and the economy and jobs are getting worse. The reason is because the regulations that caused the problem are still in place.

    Take a good and hard look at Hong Kong and you will see the fix and if it makes you feel better it is a success story that is neither an example of "Republicanism" or "Democratism" though more closely aligned with the first. As until very recently (1997) Hong Kong was simply a British Colony ruled by the Brits. The communist Chinese along with the liberal left wing media will be quick to fool the stupid masses into associating Hong Kong with Communist China to give the impression that their success is by way of Communism. Not true though.

    The reason for Hong Kong's success: Free-market economics, ..... Capitalism is the reason. And if we are ever going to be the country we once were we need to get back to it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong

     
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    Freedom to choose explains it all

    Here watch this video series. Going back to the early 80's this is when several countries were influenced by the book "Free to Choose" by Dr. Friedman.

    Those countries are the ones that turned around their economy since then and are major success stories today.

    http://www.ideachannel.tv/

    Most important in the video "The Power of the Market" check out the debate between Dr. Friedman and James Galbraith who is a proponent of more regulation at 31 minutes 10 seconds.
     
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    We need regulations. No question about it. Without them, monopolies and unethical business practices will change our workforce into a slave labor force. We also need regulations to protect our enviroment. This Oil Spill in the gulf is prove enough of that.

    No one is going to "force" banks to loan to people who do not have the income to pay back the loan. You can't walk into a bank and ask for a 30 year mortgage on half million dollar home when your total household income is 50,000 a year. Any idiot can tell you don't have enough money to make a single payment. You would be denied. Regulations like that don't exist.
     
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    And what of the unethical political practices.

    It was regulations that forced the oil companies to go deep if this well were in 500' of water this would have been over withing hours with virtually no environmental effect.

    Oh yes they did. Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
     
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