Norfolk Va Parking Ticket

[ucicare]

I got a parking ticket in February, 2007, from the town of Norfolk, Virgina.

The ticket was $15.00, but by the time it found it's way to me it was $85.00 with court costs and late fees.

Here is the problem - I have never driven in Virginia, and I didn't own the car that was ticketed. I actually donated the car to a Hurricane Katrina family in 2006. I gave it to a charity, they passed it on, etc. Evidently the tag didn't get removed.

Anyway, I send a nice copy of the donation receipt and an explaination letter to Norfolk. They send me back a nasty letter saying that they set a court date and that I failed to appear.

No Kidding.

I called and talked to a person in the magistrates office, they say, "oh no problem, send it again and we will fix it." Then they send me a letter that they have issued a warrant for my arrest- for a $15 parking ticket.

Anyway, does anyone know if Virginai and Alabama have an extridition agreement? I am inclined to appeal and ask for a jury trial, but the warrant has me a little afraid to show up. Any one have a idea?

[Michelle]

I got a parking ticket in February, 2007, from the town of Norfolk, Virgina.

The ticket was $15.00, but by the time it found it's way to me it was $85.00 with court costs and late fees.

Here is the problem - I have never driven in Virginia, and I didn't own the car that was ticketed. I actually donated the car to a Hurricane Katrina family in 2006. I gave it to a charity, they passed it on, etc. Evidently the tag didn't get removed.

Anyway, I send a nice copy of the donation receipt and an explaination letter to Norfolk. They send me back a nasty letter saying that they set a court date and that I failed to appear.

No Kidding.

I called and talked to a person in the magistrates office, they say, "oh no problem, send it again and we will fix it." Then they send me a letter that they have issued a warrant for my arrest- for a $15 parking ticket.

Anyway, does anyone know if Virginai and Alabama have an extridition agreement? I am inclined to appeal and ask for a jury trial, but the warrant has me a little afraid to show up. Any one have a idea?







Have you tried talking to the specific person on the phone and then sending it directly to them as in Attention: so and so. Get the persons number and call them back verify that they got it or fax it directly to that person a couple of seconds after talking to that person on the phone and asking them to fax back a copy of whatever it is that shows you have been cleared. These people are adminstrative types and that is their job and if you have their name they are accountable and they know it and will then get the job done right.

[Dwaine Scum]

Barry you hardened criminal, Virgina is sooo going to pay the $1000 to extradite you to Virgina you parking ticket bandit you. Come on, don't be ridiculous.

[Michelle]

As far as going to court and getting arrested in the process of trying to fix something I don't think that happens. I think I remember paying off some fine and the court officer or whatever told me to keep the reciept or whatever it was as proof I had taken care of it in case the processing had not gone through and I was stopped by police for something else.

[Dwaine Scum]

PS Norfolk is fun town

[Reizvolles]

It's America. Sue the pricks!

[ucicare]

Barry you hardened criminal, Virgina is sooo going to pay the $1000 to extradite you to Virgina you parking ticket bandit you. Come on, don't be ridiculous.


I am not kidding about this. Of course they won't really extridite me, but there is a real warrant.

I can't believe the bungling. They have all my documentation, but the judge simply refuses to accept it. Her logic is that it's my car with my tag on it period. They actually suggested (in writing) that I demand that that thge charity reimburse my expense.

It's all a big joke to me at this point. I am thinking of writing their local paper and see if I can embarrass someone. How would you like to be the Judge that demanded a Charity pay a parking fine for some poor New Orleans Katrina victim who lost everything? Should make good reading.
NO Kidding.

[Dwaine Scum]

Barry you hardened criminal, Virgina is sooo going to pay the $1000 to extradite you to Virgina you parking ticket bandit you. Come on, don't be ridiculous.


I am not kidding about this. Of course they won't really extridite me, but there is a real warrant.

I can't believe the bungling. They have all my documentation, but the judge simply refuses to accept it. Her logic is that it's my car with my tag on it period. They actually suggested (in writing) that I demand that that thge charity reimburse my expense.

It's all a big joke to me at this point. I am thinking of writing their local paper and see if I can embarrass someone. How would you like to be the Judge that demanded a Charity pay a parking fine for some poor New Orleans Katrina victim who lost everything? Should make good reading.
NO Kidding.


so what? I know nigga with warrants for multiple aggravated rapes, that live 3 doors down from the police station, and they never get caught. I would make a big mockery of this too, and also sue the judge and donate the winnings to the said charity

[Michelle]

Barry you hardened criminal, Virgina is sooo going to pay the $1000 to extradite you to Virgina you parking ticket bandit you. Come on, don't be ridiculous.


I am not kidding about this. Of course they won't really extridite me, but there is a real warrant.

I can't believe the bungling. They have all my documentation, but the judge simply refuses to accept it. Her logic is that it's my car with my tag on it period. They actually suggested (in writing) that I demand that that thge charity reimburse my expense.

It's all a big joke to me at this point. I am thinking of writing their local paper and see if I can embarrass someone. How would you like to be the Judge that demanded a Charity pay a parking fine for some poor New Orleans Katrina victim who lost everything? Should make good reading.
NO Kidding.




Maybe it's becuase you didn't do this

http://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/registration-faqs.php :

Do I keep my license plate when I sell my car?
No. Since January 1998, the license plates stay with the person who purchased the vehicle and can be tranferred to another vehicle. The state transfer fee is only $1.25, but some counties have instituted a local issuance fee of $5 or more, so check with your local tag office.

[Michelle]

I wonder what happens if the guy driving your car hits a pedestrian or a ferrari or gets a DUI? I would be making sure those tags are linked back to you more than worrying about 85$.

[phatboy]

In Georgia, if a bench warrant is issued for you for missing a court date, and you show up, you will be processed. The courts here are very strict about stuff like showing up for your court date. And you better dress appropriately. The judge will kick you out, then issue a bench warrant... :D

[ucicare]

I did make a mistake of not keeping the tag.

So, technically I own the TAG that was illegally parked. The problem for them is that they say the CAR was illegally parked.

Dan is right about the tags though. I think I'll call Monday and report them stolen.

[Dwaine Scum]

I did make a mistake of not keeping the tag.

So, technically I own the TAG that was illegally parked. The problem for them is that they say the CAR was illegally parked.

Dan is right about the tags though. I think I'll call Monday and report them stolen.


that i would do barry, they obviously must be out of date, and they can't get them renewed, and they have had plenty of time since Katrina to get they swapped out. So they will have like 5 charges if they get popped driving on those tags.

[phatboy]

I did make a mistake of not keeping the tag.

So, technically I own the TAG that was illegally parked. The problem for them is that they say the CAR was illegally parked.

Dan is right about the tags though. I think I'll call Monday and report them stolen.


that i would do barry, they obviously must be out of date, and they can't get them renewed, and they have had plenty of time since Katrina to get they swapped out. So they will have like 5 charges if they get popped driving on those tags.


Well Barry will have 5 more tickets..... ;D

[JEFE]

It's rumored that at Norfolk high School, the cheerleaders are very puritanical. They're famous for chanting, "We don't drink! We don't smoke! Nor folk! Nor folk!"

They're going to use the Taser on you for sure.

[ucicare]

It's rumored that at Norfolk high School, the cheerleaders are very puritanical. They're famous for chanting, "We don't drink! We don't smoke! Nor folk! Nor folk!"

They're going to use the Taser on you for sure.


Nor - Folk. ;)

Taser me now. I can't take it anymore.

[JEFE]

BZZZZZZZZT!!!

[tommy710]

JUST PAY THE FUCKING TICKET YOU JEW BASTARD.

[ucicare]

JUST PAY THE FUCKING TICKET YOU JEW BASTARD.


Tell me the truth - would you pay a ticket on a car you sold legally and haven't seen in a year?

[TheGrimJesus]

Be glad it's not Arkansas were they make it up as they go along.

[tommy710]

No would i fuck,but this aint about me.

[JEFE]

Tell me the truth - would you pay a ticket on a car you sold legally and haven't seen in a year?


If the only choices I had were to pay the ticket or to have an outstanding bench warrant for my arrest in VA, then I'd pay it. And at some point you have to consider the cost of all the hassles of trying to rectify the situation. Is it worth 80 bucks to go through all of that? I honestly think systems like speed camera ticketing are designed with that in mind. It's easier to fork over the money than it is to fight for what's right.

[ucicare]

It's easier to fork over the money than it is to fight for what's right.



...said the victim.

[pimpchichi]

actually it's easier to pay and then SUE FOR DISTRESS AND LOSS OF EARNINGS!

[JEFE]

Yeah, and if you do just pay it, what happens when the next ticket comes? You'll have already set a precedent(or however you spell it). Sorry man. It looks like you're already the victim. I think you should write to the papers, like you said. Sunlight is the best antiseptic, and all that.

[ucicare]

Yeah, and if you do just pay it, what happens when the next ticket comes? You'll have already set a precedent(or however you spell it). Sorry man. It looks like you're already the victim. I think you should write to the papers, like you said. Sunlight is the best antiseptic, and all that.




I reported the tag stolen today. If she gets stopped again, she gets arrested.

Karma is a bitch.

[phatboy]

Barry, you're such a scrooge.... ::)

[TheGrimJesus]

I got a ticket in Memphis TN. It wasn't my car I was driving around town for a friend cause they didn't know the way. I went thru a yellow light and when the cops got to the window of course it was red.... I paid the overpriced ticket. Now skip ahead 2 years I'm on my honeymoon. I had a speeding ticket to which I was speeding no question. I knew I was going to be out of town so I called and made sure I could pay it and sent a friend down to pay it cause I had been so busy.

He did it a couple of days after we left. He gets there and they tell him that I have to come to court cause it was 2 miles over the 10 mile limit the judge has set as a mandatory court appearance. Well we are at a boat dinner and the cell phones are not allowed aboard and I already paid 100 bucks a pop for the dinner. I had to get off the boat to take the call. While I'm on the phone the boat leaves. So I'm pretty hot at this point. I finally get someone on the phone and get my court date moved then get into it with the women over what she had told me and what she told him. Well I go to court 2 months later.

Well first thing is they take care of all the Mexican first. They have a court appointed interpreter. None of them speak English, All of them have one thing in common. All have a ticket for driving without a licence or insurance. Not once does the Judge as if they have a green card or anything to prove they are a citizen. He gives them fines and lets them go. Then he tells the rest of us if we just come up and pleaded guilty that we can just pay the fine and nothing will appear on our record of go on our insurance. Nice money making scam huh extortion much.... So anyway they finally get to me.

I come up to the stand and I notice a deputy steps to my side and unsnaps his pepper spray then puts his hand on it. Then a women comes from the back. The judge then starts talking about my argument with the women on the phone. I explained to him why I was upset and that this had nothing to do with my offence. He told me I had to apologize to the women. I again told him that this had nothing to do with my offence and I would in no way apologize to this women. That the last time I checked I still had the right to freedom of speech no matter if someone liked it our not. He said if I wanted out of there I need to apologize, I said so your holding me against my will? I asked what he thought the Arkansas Bar association would think of that. Which now the crowd in the courtroom were getting annoyed at both of us. After mention the Arkansas Bar he backed down gave me a 500 dollar fine twice what he gave anyone else and told me he would put me in jail if I had any more traffic violation in the next 3 months.

Skip to a month later, I and my wife are getting joint insurance. Well the people call back and tell her they can't do our policy as my DL is suspended and I have a bench warrant out for me. Of course I call bullshit and try another company same thing. So I call and sure enough I have a bench warrant and a suspended DL for the ticket from Memphis of all things. A ticket I know I paid. Also if I had not paid the ticket and had a bench warrant & a suspended DL it would have came up when I was pulled over for speeding as the ticket was over 2 years old. So they tell me I need to call Memphis PD and find out the details. I go thru my records and find my receipt. So I believe I'm covered. I call them and they tell me they have no arrest warrant issued for me and show the ticket as paid in full. I have them look more and find out the arrest warrant is out of my county.

So I go down to the court house with the receipt and show them the proof I paid it. They tell me I could have counterfeited it. So I call MPD again and have them fax a copy to them. This they except. I ask for the records. Turns out the women I had gotten in an argument had went into my record and marked the ticket as unpaid in the Arkansas records. Oh and guess who signed the arrest warrant the same Judge and it was all done like 2 days after my appearance in court. I got it all straightened out and got that bitch fired. I filed a complaint against the judge with the Arkansas Bar and got a judgment in my favor but lack of evidence made it basically a draw.


The reason I told you this Barry is watch your ass in these ass backwards southern towns they do what they want. This could turn into a real pain in the ass.

[ucicare]

I can appreciate what you are saying. You obviously were mistreated and harrassed, but the bottom line is that you actually did somethingwrong to ge a ticket.

The only thing I did wrong was failed to take my tag off the car. Now that was bad judgement, but it is not in any way a civil offense or crime.

The parking ticket is not a civil offense either. It is basically not even a misdemeanor. A parking ticket falls into that gray area of law that can barely be enforced.

The bench warrant they are talking about is for my failure to appear. THAT is a civil offense. The fact that I was never notified, was not the owner, etc have no effect.

The bottom line is that they can't do anything to me. My attorney said that a failure to appear for a "non moving" violation can't really be escalated to a misdemeanor. He said that they are just threatening, and to ignore it.

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.

[improtected]

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.


it's always more difficult to do the right thing. especially when you know it's wrong. chin up.

[TheGrimJesus]

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.


it's always more difficult to do the right thing. especially when you know it's wrong. chin up.


Yeah but Barry they don't give a shit if you did it or not. It's kind of like when you go in the Hospital and they are going to work on your right knee. Well the lady puts the cut here sticker on the left. They don't give a fuck cause they will get paid one way or another.

This will fuck up your insurance and all sorts of other stuff. It's the things you don't think about that will get you on this.

[Dwaine Scum]

if i was you barry, I'd blame, the Jews.

[Michelle]

I can appreciate what you are saying. You obviously were mistreated and harrassed, but the bottom line is that you actually did somethingwrong to ge a ticket.

The only thing I did wrong was failed to take my tag off the car. Now that was bad judgement, but it is not in any way a civil offense or crime.

The parking ticket is not a civil offense either. It is basically not even a misdemeanor. A parking ticket falls into that gray area of law that can barely be enforced.

The bench warrant they are talking about is for my failure to appear. THAT is a civil offense. The fact that I was never notified, was not the owner, etc have no effect.

The bottom line is that they can't do anything to me. My attorney said that a failure to appear for a "non moving" violation can't really be escalated to a misdemeanor. He said that they are just threatening, and to ignore it.

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.




Am I missing something here? I think maybe what you did wrong was not have the tags transferred or removed before getting the car. The cops and the judges don't like that because if your former vehicle is involved in some kind of crime or accident it may take alot more manpower and work hours to track down just who is responsible. Now if your car was involved in a drive bye shooting. Well, No, I don't think you are going to have to go to jail for murder. However, if your car is involved in a bunch of parking ticket crap and you didn't transfer the tag. Well, the cops got better shit to do than spend 10-20 hours and 1-5,000 dollars of man hours later tracking down the real culprit to pay the 100 dollar fine and arresting the real driver for being dirt poor and too stupid to realize that they might own the car but not the tags and then spending a couple more thousand in court costs and jail expenses prosecuting them. Now, if you reported the tags stolen I'm not sure if a law applies to that but I'm pretty sure that if they arrest someone for stealing a car that was donated to them there might be a problme with it. In the end it is the good people of Virginia that are going to pay upwards of a thousand dollars for you not paying the 2 dollar transfer fee when they ultimately arrest this person. But, WTF I guess it happens all the time.

[Michelle]

getting should read donating

[Michelle]

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.


it's always more difficult to do the right thing. especially when you know it's wrong. chin up.


Yeah but Barry they don't give a shit if you did it or not. It's kind of like when you go in the Hospital and they are going to work on your right knee. Well the lady puts the cut here sticker on the left. They don't give a fuck cause they will get paid one way or another.

This will fuck up your insurance and all sorts of other stuff. It's the things you don't think about that will get you on this.


Are you saying someone operated on you and got the wrong knee because a nurse put the mark on the wrong knee? I just want to know if you are making this up. Also, I wonder what you were doing when they went in to verify which knee it was. Did you say oh yeah hah ha ha this is the knee thinking the joke was on them and not realizing they were making a mark to determine which knee got operated on? Please provide more details for this very interesting story you have related.

[Michelle]

As for reporting a tag as stolen that wasn't stolen I am wondering if you might be getting yourself into more legal trouble of a potentially more serious nature.

[Michelle]

....also I'm sure you wrote the car off on your taxes for much more than it was actually worth and so not only are the good people of Virginia getting screwed but the good people of alabama are getting reamed without a lube job as well.

[TheGrimJesus]

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.


it's always more difficult to do the right thing. especially when you know it's wrong. chin up.


Yeah but Barry they don't give a shit if you did it or not. It's kind of like when you go in the Hospital and they are going to work on your right knee. Well the lady puts the cut here sticker on the left. They don't give a fuck cause they will get paid one way or another.

This will fuck up your insurance and all sorts of other stuff. It's the things you don't think about that will get you on this.


Are you saying someone operated on you and got the wrong knee because a nurse put the mark on the wrong knee? I just want to know if you are making this up. Also, I wonder what you were doing when they went in to verify which knee it was. Did you say oh yeah hah ha ha this is the knee thinking the joke was on them and not realizing they were making a mark to determine which knee got operated on? Please provide more details for this very interesting story you have related.


Google it. It happens all the time. It never happened to me but they have had stories on CNN and all that shit. In fact they went to a sticker system because of wrong things getting worked on. I think there was a story recently about a guy getting the wrong ball removed.

I mean is it to much to ask that my Doctor know his left from his right?

Also I have to agree with you for once. Reporting a tag stolen that isn't stolen and can be proved as not being stolen might make things even worse for Barry.

[Michelle]

I won't ignore it. It's just not my nature.


it's always more difficult to do the right thing. especially when you know it's wrong. chin up.


Yeah but Barry they don't give a shit if you did it or not. It's kind of like when you go in the Hospital and they are going to work on your right knee. Well the lady puts the cut here sticker on the left. They don't give a fuck cause they will get paid one way or another.

This will fuck up your insurance and all sorts of other stuff. It's the things you don't think about that will get you on this.


Are you saying someone operated on you and got the wrong knee because a nurse put the mark on the wrong knee? I just want to know if you are making this up. Also, I wonder what you were doing when they went in to verify which knee it was. Did you say oh yeah hah ha ha this is the knee thinking the joke was on them and not realizing they were making a mark to determine which knee got operated on? Please provide more details for this very interesting story you have related.


Google it. It happens all the time. It never happened to me but they have had stories on CNN and all that shit. In fact they went to a sticker system because of wrong things getting worked on. I think there was a story recently about a guy getting the wrong ball removed.

I mean is it to much to ask that my Doctor know his left from his right?

Also I have to agree with you for once. Reporting a tag stolen that isn't stolen and can be proved as not being stolen might make things even worse for Barry.


The fact is when that happens they pay out the ass in a huge settlement. That is why the doctor verifies it and makes the mark after specifically asking the patient and verifying the side as well as checking the charts. I have seen this done multiple times in "preopting" before scrubbing in on surgeries.

[ucicare]

As for reporting a tag as stolen that wasn't stolen I am wondering if you might be getting yourself into more legal trouble of a potentially more serious nature.


It was stolen. I made it very clear it was not transferable. The person that got the car promised to dispose of it. She knew that it was illegal to use it. She hasn't even transferred the title into her name. I could easily apply for a replacement title, and claim that an unauthorized use of the car.

[Michelle]

As for reporting a tag as stolen that wasn't stolen I am wondering if you might be getting yourself into more legal trouble of a potentially more serious nature.


It was stolen. I made it very clear it was not transferable. The person that got the car promised to dispose of it. She knew that it was illegal to use it. She hasn't even transferred the title into her name. I could easily apply for a replacement title, and claim that an unauthorized use of the car.


What it will come down to is whether it was your responsibility or her responsibility under the law not a bunch of he said she said crap that carries no weight in court.

[JEFE]

I reported the tag stolen today. If she gets stopped again, she gets arrested.
Karma is a bitch.


Is that legal? I mean, you know it wasn't stolen, you already said you forgot to take it off the car. Are you getting yourself into more trouble by doing that? Be careful is all I'm saying. You don't want to add more injury to all the insult and injury.

[JEFE]

I always knew these forums would be labeled, "evidence" one day.

[Michelle]

http://www.compuquotes.com/registration/Alabama-Motor-Vehicle-Registration-Title.html

"When I sell or otherwise dispose of my vehicle, does the license plate remain on the vehicle?

Effective January 1, 1998, license plates are to be removed by the registrant upon sale or disposal of the vehicle, for possible transfer to a replacement vehicle."

[Michelle]

As for reporting a tag as stolen that wasn't stolen I am wondering if you might be getting yourself into more legal trouble of a potentially more serious nature.


It was stolen. I made it very clear it was not transferable. The person that got the car promised to dispose of it. She knew that it was illegal to use it. She hasn't even transferred the title into her name. I could easily apply for a replacement title, and claim that an unauthorized use of the car.


It sounds like with your thought processees you could easily land your ass in jail with upwards of a few thousand in legal fees.

[TheGrimJesus]

I always knew these forums would be labeled, "evidence" one day.


We might need to dispose of this post for Barry's sake.

[Michelle]

As for reporting a tag as stolen that wasn't stolen I am wondering if you might be getting yourself into more legal trouble of a potentially more serious nature.


It was stolen. I made it very clear it was not transferable. The person that got the car promised to dispose of it. She knew that it was illegal to use it. She hasn't even transferred the title into her name. I could easily apply for a replacement title, and claim that an unauthorized use of the car.


If you apply for a replacement title what are you going to tell the IRS for taking a write off on a car you still own. They might get you even with her driving the damn thing so not only will you have the state of virginia after you but also the irs who could decide not only to prosecute you but audit you for the last 20 years of tax returns and stick it to you for not having documentation going far enough back.

[Michelle]

if you technically still own the car and you wrote it off on your taxes you could potentially be in trouble anyway. Damn, scaring people is fun. Maybe I should of gone to law school. ;D

[Michelle]

I think this topic is in the wrong forum. It should be in Barry is Nuts. :D

[Michelle]

Seriously, the only thing that works in situations like this is admitting fault or accepting fault with as little trouble as possible and explaining the truth not trying to take steps to punish people or whatever that may or may not be outside the law. Making waves when it comes to the law in court is not a good approach as the Grim Jesus can attest. Lawyers are expensive, court costst are expensive, and judges and lawyers and the irs don't like the squeaky wheel pain in the ass.

[Michelle]

You should probably attempt to say that you thought the tags were stolen though if you actually reported them stolen and then say something like oh I found out they just weren't transferred and the women who has my car is driving with them. Maybe they'll just think you're a dolt.

[Michelle]

....but you probably would want to retract the stolen plate accussation if they aren't stolen under the law as soon as possible while claiming ignorance rather than talking yourself into a bigger mess.

[ucicare]

If you apply for a replacement title what are you going to tell the IRS for taking a write off on a car you still own. They might get you even with her driving the damn thing so not only will you have the state of virginia after you but also the irs who could decide not only to prosecute you but audit you for the last 20 years of tax returns and stick it to you for not having documentation going far enough back.


1. I haven't filed taxes for 2006.

2. I actually have documentation for everything, and I don't bother with cheating. I have been audited before, and they found nothing. I doubt they will be eager to try again.

3. I am 10x smarter than you. That will never change.

[Michelle]

If you apply for a replacement title what are you going to tell the IRS for taking a write off on a car you still own. They might get you even with her driving the damn thing so not only will you have the state of virginia after you but also the irs who could decide not only to prosecute you but audit you for the last 20 years of tax returns and stick it to you for not having documentation going far enough back.




3. I am 10x smarter than you. That will never change.


Yeah right. It's really showing.

[Michelle]

what with admitting to a crime on the internet where you have publically posted your name and where you live and all....

[phatboy]

His only crime was being too nice. He probably gave his car to one of those people that were buying Louis Vatan(SP?) purses with their FEMA card........ :D

[Michelle]

I have some familiarity with the law and court by the way not only through my own experiences but both my brothers have been lawyers for about 15 yrs. One does criminal defense the other business and malpractice.

[phatboy]

One does criminal defense the other business and malpractice.


Well looks like you'll be talking to one brother more than the other....... >:(

[Michelle]

One does criminal defense the other business and malpractice.


Well looks like you'll be talking to one brother more than the other....... >:(


He works for the insurance companies so he's on the other side of it.

[phatboy]

Double >:( >:(

:D

[tommy710]

I got a ticket in Memphis TN. It wasn't my car I was driving around town for a friend cause they didn't know the way. I went thru a yellow light and when the cops got to the window of course it was red.... I paid the overpriced ticket. Now skip ahead 2 years I'm on my honeymoon. I had a speeding ticket to which I was speeding no question. I knew I was going to be out of town so I called and made sure I could pay it and sent a friend down to pay it cause I had been so busy.

He did it a couple of days after we left. He gets there and they tell him that I have to come to court cause it was 2 miles over the 10 mile limit the judge has set as a mandatory court appearance. Well we are at a boat dinner and the cell phones are not allowed aboard and I already paid 100 bucks a pop for the dinner. I had to get off the boat to take the call. While I'm on the phone the boat leaves. So I'm pretty hot at this point. I finally get someone on the phone and get my court date moved then get into it with the women over what she had told me and what she told him. Well I go to court 2 months later.

Well first thing is they take care of all the Mexican first. They have a court appointed interpreter. None of them speak English, All of them have one thing in common. All have a ticket for driving without a licence or insurance. Not once does the Judge as if they have a green card or anything to prove they are a citizen. He gives them fines and lets them go. Then he tells the rest of us if we just come up and pleaded guilty that we can just pay the fine and nothing will appear on our record of go on our insurance. Nice money making scam huh extortion much.... So anyway they finally get to me.

I come up to the stand and I notice a deputy steps to my side and unsnaps his pepper spray then puts his hand on it. Then a women comes from the back. The judge then starts talking about my argument with the women on the phone. I explained to him why I was upset and that this had nothing to do with my offence. He told me I had to apologize to the women. I again told him that this had nothing to do with my offence and I would in no way apologize to this women. That the last time I checked I still had the right to freedom of speech no matter if someone liked it our not. He said if I wanted out of there I need to apologize, I said so your holding me against my will? I asked what he thought the Arkansas Bar association would think of that. Which now the crowd in the courtroom were getting annoyed at both of us. After mention the Arkansas Bar he backed down gave me a 500 dollar fine twice what he gave anyone else and told me he would put me in jail if I had any more traffic violation in the next 3 months.

Skip to a month later, I and my wife are getting joint insurance. Well the people call back and tell her they can't do our policy as my DL is suspended and I have a bench warrant out for me. Of course I call bullshit and try another company same thing. So I call and sure enough I have a bench warrant and a suspended DL for the ticket from Memphis of all things. A ticket I know I paid. Also if I had not paid the ticket and had a bench warrant & a suspended DL it would have came up when I was pulled over for speeding as the ticket was over 2 years old. So they tell me I need to call Memphis PD and find out the details. I go thru my records and find my receipt. So I believe I'm covered. I call them and they tell me they have no arrest warrant issued for me and show the ticket as paid in full. I have them look more and find out the arrest warrant is out of my county.

So I go down to the court house with the receipt and show them the proof I paid it. They tell me I could have counterfeited it. So I call MPD again and have them fax a copy to them. This they except. I ask for the records. Turns out the women I had gotten in an argument had went into my record and marked the ticket as unpaid in the Arkansas records. Oh and guess who signed the arrest warrant the same Judge and it was all done like 2 days after my appearance in court. I got it all straightened out and got that bitch fired. I filed a complaint against the judge with the Arkansas Bar and got a judgment in my favor but lack of evidence made it basically a draw.


The reason I told you this Barry is watch your ass in these ass backwards southern towns they do what they want. This could turn into a real pain in the ass.




jesus i dont think ive ever said this before but.....
IM GLAD I LIVE IN THE UK.

[Joeslogic]

jesus i dont think ive ever said this before but.....
IM GLAD I LIVE IN THE UK.

I can understand why you would say that but you need to understand this country is a representative republic. Local state laws are not the same as federal laws. Ideally you choose the state you most agree with regarding local laws and choose to live there. You could become involved in the process of changing the laws but really here we are talking about corruption basically and Arkansas has always been like that as far as I can remember however, when we are talking about ineptitude of government workers regardless of local or federal. There is a common theme in that respect.

Quite inspiring Grim I'm glad you stuck up for yourself. They still fucked you over with the boat dinner which you would have been screwed even if you were nice to the lady on the phone. Then there was the Judges double fine. At least you were savvy enough to ask for the records and find where the bitch had falsified your records and got her fired. And as for the judge he has a mark against his credibility and that’s worth something when the next victim comes along.

[ucicare]

what with admitting to a crime on the internet where you have publically posted your name and where you live and all....


Excuse me? I did exactly what the DMV said to do. I explained exactly the circumstances to the Police, and he agreed that the tag was being used illegally and that the person knew it was illegal. That equals theft by deception.

If he didn't think it was a theft, he wouldn't have taken the report. I made it clear that I left the tag on the car.

[Michelle]

what with admitting to a crime on the internet where you have publically posted your name and where you live and all....


Excuse me? I did exactly what the DMV said to do. I explained exactly the circumstances to the Police, and he agreed that the tag was being used illegally and that the person knew it was illegal. That equals theft by deception.

If he didn't think it was a theft, he wouldn't have taken the report. I made it clear that I left the tag on the car.



You said you reported the tags stolen. You didn't say that you gave a report to the cops. You said you reported the tags stolen. The cops decide the charge not you based upon the evidence. With your line of reasoning you could have her charged with murder because "the cops took the report it must be true". The cops always take a report even if your cat is up a tree. Last time I checked cops weren't judges.

[Michelle]

None of which changes the fact that dumbshit behavior like yours is raising my fucking taxes. You tard.

[ucicare]

None of which changes the fact that dumbshit behavior like yours is raising my fucking taxes. You tard.


Have you considered colonic hydrotherapy? There is a "do it yourself version" available.

http://www.pinkboard.co.uk/images/Image6.jpg

[Michelle]

None of which changes the fact that dumbshit behavior like yours is raising my fucking taxes. You tard.


Have you considered colonic hydrotherapy? There is a "do it yourself version" available.

http://www.pinkboard.co.uk/images/Image6.jpg


The only thing I need to bring a smile to my face is imagining your stupid ass waving good bye to some ghetto queen as she drives away in a car that you legally own with your tags on it. ;D

[Lomotil]

Reminds me of a situation with my grandparents a while back. They had just bought a new car here in San Antonio, then took it back with them to the town they live in. The car had not been here since then. Several months pass, and finally they get a letter from SAPD explaining that a warrant had been issued for an unpaid parking ticket on a downtown street. The problem was, they weren't anywhere near downtown, nor SA for that matter, since the day they bought the car (interestingly enough, a week or two before the supposed 'ticket').

Letter after letter was written, and even though the ticket was for some paltry sum ($20?), they were ready to get a lawyer on principle alone. What really pissed them (and me) off was the attitude of the people downtown that they spoke to. One even said "Oh, just pay the fine and it'll be removed..." The fact that they can 'claim' that you broke the law, without having any proof whatsoever, and for you to fight it - well, they're going to need some proof. Call it stubborn, but it's disturbing to think that you can be held accountable for something you didn't do, and have no way to fight for it.

Eventually, they dropped the ticket, citing a nonspecific "error" on their part. Guess they thought someone was finally going to blow the cover on their scam.

Remember, Barry - the day we stop fighting for our rights is the day we lose them. I applaud your efforts to fight this, and even though it would be easy to pay it and move on, you're doing what's right, and that's what matters.

How's the correspondence with the newspaper going?

[Michelle]

Reminds me of a situation with my grandparents a while back. They had just bought a new car here in San Antonio, then took it back with them to the town they live in. The car had not been here since then. Several months pass, and finally they get a letter from SAPD explaining that a warrant had been issued for an unpaid parking ticket on a downtown street. The problem was, they weren't anywhere near downtown, nor SA for that matter, since the day they bought the car (interestingly enough, a week or two before the supposed 'ticket').

Letter after letter was written, and even though the ticket was for some paltry sum ($20?), they were ready to get a lawyer on principle alone. What really pissed them (and me) off was the attitude of the people downtown that they spoke to. One even said "Oh, just pay the fine and it'll be removed..." The fact that they can 'claim' that you broke the law, without having any proof whatsoever, and for you to fight it - well, they're going to need some proof. Call it stubborn, but it's disturbing to think that you can be held accountable for something you didn't do, and have no way to fight for it.

Eventually, they dropped the ticket, citing a nonspecific "error" on their part. Guess they thought someone was finally going to blow the cover on their scam.

Remember, Barry - the day we stop fighting for our rights is the day we lose them. I applaud your efforts to fight this, and even though it would be easy to pay it and move on, you're doing what's right, and that's what matters.

How's the correspondence with the newspaper going?


What the fuck are you talking about? This is what he didn't do:
http://www.compuquotes.com/registration/Alabama-Motor-Vehicle-Registration-Title.html

"When I sell or otherwise dispose of my vehicle, does the license plate remain on the vehicle?

Effective January 1, 1998, license plates are to be removed by the registrant upon sale or disposal of the vehicle, for possible transfer to a replacement vehicle." It's required by law. It's his own fucking fault.

[Michelle]

....not to mention it's just common sense to make sure your shit is in order before unloading a car in your name on some sketchball. Ignorance of the law has never been a valid defence.

[JEFE]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...

[phatboy]

Michelle is actually dangerous dan reincarnated. He has made some good post with his new name, and the uninteligible ones have been reduced tremendously. All in all, this is probably the one thread that the two have had a lovers quarrel in.

Barry, one thing comes to mind...

...no good deed goes unpunished.

I know you were being nice, and probably had a lapse in judgement, but the next time you give someone a 74 AMC Gremlin, please take the tag off it.

[TheGrimJesus]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...


I use to write letters to the editor all the time. They won't publish me anymore due to my war with the local PD & sheriff over their use of tax equipment & vehicles for moonlighting.

[Michelle]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...


It's the medical training. Indulging stupidity only goes so far until someone figures they better do the right thing and chews you a new asshole. It's actually an imperceptable change that creeps up on you. I figured I had enough indulging and it was time to have some fun chewing after about pg 3 of this shit.

[Michelle]

j/k nah you're right I just like delighting in his stupidity. ;D

[TheGrimJesus]

j/k nah you're right I just like delighting in his stupidity. ;D


Everyone knows we have delighted in your for years..........

[ucicare]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

Can I remind you that YOU don't like Michelle either? "Michelle" is aka DangerousDan, who to my knowledge is the only person (in my lifetime here) to be banned here.
I actually like him a little more these days. He has risen from "worthless Narcissistic Spoiled Brat" to "possibly exploitable business partner." As soon as he adjusts to the fact that I am smarter than him, and therefore he should work for me, we can do business. (and be great friends)


I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Then for God's sake close the portal, before anymore are sucked in.


Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...


Yes, if you will please go into your metafile or whatever on the Staff page and TAKE MY LAST NAME OUT. I am very tired of the staff page being the first Google hit on my real name. How embarrassing.

[ucicare]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...

[Michelle]

I guess I don't read these forums enough to know all the subtleties of relationships between people in here but I get the definite sense that Michelle and Barry don't like each other very much. Is that safe to assume? Michelle seems to delight in Barry possibly having made a mistake and Barry just seems to think Michelle is a moron.

Can I remind you that YOU don't like Michelle either? "Michelle" is aka DangerousDan, who to my knowledge is the only person (in my lifetime here) to be banned here.
I actually like him a little more these days. He has risen from "worthless Narcissistic Spoiled Brat" to "possibly exploitable business partner." As soon as he adjusts to the fact that I am smarter than him, and therefore he should work for me, we can do business. (and be great friends)


I can see why people get sucked in to this place.

Then for God's sake close the portal, before anymore are sucked in.


Barry, if you write something to the newspapers, can I post it here too? Everybody has a story about how somebody or some company screwed them over. Fugly would be a great place to publish all that kind of stuff. That actually gives me some ideas...


Yes, if you will please go into your metafile or whatever on the Staff page and TAKE MY LAST NAME OUT. I am very tired of the staff page being the first Google hit on my real name. How embarrassing.




There is absolutely no reason for me to go into a business deal with a psychologist. I am going into Neurology. I would have no legal authority or desire to treat those types of patients. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It doesn't even make sense. As far as business opportunities is I wanted to make a lot of money I would try to get into running a pain clinic which can bring upwards of a 1/2 a million a yr. Right now I am concerned with learning medicine so I can give people the treatment they deserve while in residency including cases of stroke, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, ALS, ect....

[JEFE]

I banned Dangerous Dan? I swear I don't remember that at all.

Barry, I thought you last name was Danger, or is that your middle name? What do you want me to change again?

Dan/Michelle, are you really Dan? What the hell is the matter with you and why did you get banned?

[Michelle]

I banned Dangerous Dan? I swear I don't remember that at all.

Barry, I thought you last name was Danger, or is that your middle name? What do you want me to change again?

Dan/Michelle, are you really Dan? What the hell is the matter with you and why did you get banned?




Banned? Dan?

I am just entertaining my self. Seems like a man should be able to entertain himself if he wants to.

[TheGrimJesus]

I banned Dangerous Dan? I swear I don't remember that at all.

Barry, I thought you last name was Danger, or is that your middle name? What do you want me to change again?

Dan/Michelle, are you really Dan? What the hell is the matter with you and why did you get banned?




He was at the point of the ban being a Mouth Breathing Troglodyte. Now he has upgraded to Mouth Breathing Neanderthal. I don't need much more proof of evolution.

[ucicare]

I banned Dangerous Dan? I swear I don't remember that at all.

I'm not surprised. Your typing was slurred at the time.




Barry, I thought you last name was Danger, or is that your middle name?

I hate you. Truly, truly, truly. Now get me and Harlan a sammich.

[ucicare]

There is absolutely no reason for me to go into a business deal with a psychologist.



The universal reason Dan - $$$$$$$$$$$


I am going into Neurology.

Which will quickly expose you as a poser, and will boot you back to the ER.



I would have no legal authority or desire to treat those types of patients.

A neurologist can treat anything he wants to.


I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Let that be exhibit 1 in why you won't be a Neurologist.


It doesn't even make sense.

Exhibit 2


As far as business opportunities is I wanted to make a lot of money I would try to get into running a pain clinic which can bring upwards of a 1/2 a million a yr.


Exhibit 3. See My first point about the universal reason.


Right now I am concerned with learning medicine....

.... by using my own body as a test subject.....


so I can give people the treatment they deserve ....

...while they are comatose and don't really know what happened to them...


[size=14pt]while in residency including cases of stroke, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, ALS, ect....


..... were I am able to get my needs met without attracting much attention from the ethics board and the police, yet.



That was fun. Your turn.

[tommy710]

This is so fucking entralling ive got hard on.

[Michelle]

This is so fucking entralling ive got hard on.


Well I suggest you pound each other in the ass and then shut the fuck up about it because it's getting gayer all the time and there is just so much I can take.

[Michelle]

...even if my name is Michelle.

[phatboy]

This is so fucking entralling ive got hard on.

there is just so much I can take.


::)

[JEFE]

I think I remember now. Dan posted his user name and password and there was a ton of spam because of it. I never could tell if Dan got his account back so I disabled it. I don't think it was anything Dan did to get banned. I mean, it's damn near impossible to get banned from this place.

Dan/Michelle, if you ARE Dan, and are hiding behind your new name for fear that if you're outed, you'll be banned? That won't happen.

[phatboy]

I think I remember now. Dan posted his user name and password and there was a ton of spam because of it. I never could tell if Dan got his account back so I disabled it. I don't think it was anything Dan did to get banned. I mean, it's damn near impossible to get banned from this place.

Dan/Michelle, if you ARE Dan, and are hiding behind your new name for fear that if you're outed, you'll be banned? That won't happen.


He was all ready outed once, that's why he came back with a girls name, so he could flirt with the guys, but his comments gave him away...... ;D

[ucicare]

...even if my name is Michelle.


See, Dan can be funny.