I went and got a sleep study

[TheGrimJesus]

So my doctor pulled some strings and got me into a sleep clinic the last 3 days. I have went up their and slept. Well today after I woke up and was getting ready to head home they told me something i didn't understand Berry.

They said I'm sleeping but not going into Rem sleep at all. That my brain & body are still registering the same or more activity as if I was awake.

They are going to have me take the sleeping pill tonight to see if I go into REM sleep. Should I worry that my body won't enter REM sleep on its own anymore?

[ucicare]

They said I'm sleeping but not going into Rem sleep at all. That my brain & body are still registering the same or more activity as if I was awake.



and the diagnosis remains..........Bipolar/Manic.

Sorry. At least they have good meds to fix it now.

I hope that I'm wrong. It could be other things. (Brain Tumor, Thyroid Cancer, Diabetes, Viral Encephalistis, Syphillis, AIDS...etc.)

Bipolar sounds pretty good now doesn't it?

(I am joking about the other stuff Grim. It could be depression, Bi Polar D/O or nothing. Just stick with the Doctor, and let him figure it out. Kudo's to you for having enough sense to go to the Doctor when something is not working right.)

[chester grape]

...Kudo's to you for having enough sense to go to the Doctor when something is not working right.)

Agreed, but does he have to post every fucking detail of every fucking malaise for public consumption?

I mean, I've got an infected cut on my right index finger from catching it on the sharp edge of my washing basket on the weekend, but do I expect you all to give a shit about it and post advice about the best treatment?

[TheGrimJesus]

Chester as I can see your point. I'm asking Berry for the simple reason my doctor is doing that don't want to upset me by not telling me everything deal. I just want to know what I'm headed into.

[chester grape]

Hmm. I thought that was what PMs were for.

[phatboy]

I think the sleep study said you needed to 'Rim Barry' and then go to sleep.

[headee]

this girl on House, MD couldn't go into REM sleep, and it turned out she needed a new liver.

[Joeslogic]

Sex puts me to sleep its phenomenal like a few min later is all it takes and I'm snoring. I know this because my wife reminds me. It’s great because she cannot stand it and goes to the back bedroom and sleeps so I get the whole bed to sprawl out on. You should try it Grim that’s what wifey is for. It's the only real reason to put up with all the other shit.

[MAJ Havoc]

Yeah, but how does Grim get to Texas every time he's having trouble?

[Joeslogic]

But if he pulls that shit it screws up my whole plan and she then comes back to the front master bedroom that fucks it all up and will never do.

You and your ideas :roll:

[phatboy]

Pedro calls his boss one day, "Hey boss, I no feel so good I stay home today"

The boss says, "Pedro I really need you today, are you sure you cant come in"

"I dont know boss, I got a really bad hangover" Pedro replied.

"Pedro whenever I feel that way I fuck my wife real good and when Im done I feel a lot better" the boss said.

"Ok boss I try"

About 2 hours later Pedro calls back, "Hey boss you were right I feel great, and you got a really nice house".......

[Checkmate]

Grim,

Where is the conclusion to this story the suspence is killing me.

[chester grape]

Grim,

Where is the conclusion to this story the suspence is killing me.

Not me. I never, ever think about Grim unless one of his whining posts is right in front of me. The second I click "back to index" it's like he never existed.

[TheGrimJesus]

Grim,

Where is the conclusion to this story the suspence is killing me.

As caring smart ass remarks go I almost believed you. Still nothing. Physically I'm fit and mentally as well.

So they are still checking into it.

[DrBungle]

ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!

[Samanthasez]

Grim,

Take that fucking sig gif down. It's horrible. Perhaps it's your conscience that doesn't allow you to sleep at night. :idea:

[TheGrimJesus]

Grim,

Take that fucking sig gif down. It's horrible. Perhaps it's your conscience that doesn't allow you to sleep at night. :idea:

Nope that would not be it. But sure just for you.

[ucicare]

Grim,

Where is the conclusion to this story the suspence is killing me.

As caring smart ass remarks go I almost believed you. Still nothing. Physically I'm fit and mentally as well.

So they are still checking into it.


The fact that you came back here does not support your claim of being mentally healthy.

[TheGrimJesus]

Oh you missed me you big softy.

[ucicare]

Oh you missed me you big softy.

Dang right I missed you. You and Smurf make me feel normal...

...and smugly superior.


Barry

[TheGrimJesus]

Nice fish :?

[anti-you]

Moscow, you will be prescribed Imovane. I will bet on it.

I'm on it.

[ucicare]

Nice fish :?

I used him for bait to try and catch a real fish.

Barry

[ucicare]

Moscow, you will be prescribed Imovane. I will bet on it.

I'm on it.

One little problem - Imovane is not available in the US.

Imovane works really well if you take several of them at once with a large dose of antihistamine and lots of alcohol.

Works REALLY well.


Barry

[TheGrimJesus]

Yeah he's from Canada. They tried to burn down the white house once or some shit.

[anti-you]

One little problem - Imovane is not available in the US.

Imovane works really well if you take several of them at once with a large dose of antihistamine and lots of alcohol.

Works REALLY well.


Barry

See, its not a regular sleeping pill so you can take them with alcohol. And yes, I just checked, it isn't available in the US. Ah well.

[MAJ Havoc]

And you can take them with bleach.

[ucicare]

And you can take them with bleach.


Now you are talking.


Barry

[Samanthasez]

Grim,

Take that fucking sig gif down. It's horrible. Perhaps it's your conscience that doesn't allow you to sleep at night. :idea:

Nope that would not be it. But sure just for you.

Thank you...I really do appreciate it; 9/11 is still too fresh a wound for me.

[phatboy]

Yeah he's from Canada. They tried to burn down the white house once or some shit.

Are you fucking retarded? Canada couldnt beat Vanderbilt. The English burned the whitehouse, we invaded canada, we tried to liberate those cross dressing cunts, and all they cared about was sucking the pricks of the French and the English. The best thing to come out of canada was . . . . nope cant really think of nothing.

[ucicare]

The best thing to come out of canada was . . . . nope cant really think of nothing.

Can't think of the best thing to come out of Canada?

Here, let me refresh your memory -

http://www.northeastroads.com/images/i-087_ny.gif

[Samanthasez]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[anti-you]

now is the time to list canadian contributions to humanity.

but instead, i'll just say bagged milk bitches. our milk, is in bags.

[ucicare]

now is the time to list canadian contributions to humanity.

but instead, i'll just say bagged milk bitches. our milk, is in bags.


Long, thin latex bags?

[chester grape]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MAJ Havoc]

Wrinkled, drooping, hairy bags?

[anti-you]

smooth, sleek, shaved bags. plump full of milk.

[ucicare]

smooth, sleek, shaved bags. plump full of milk.


This is new forum is hard for you isn't it anti? I mean, realizing the you are completely out-brained by everyone here must be discouraging.

[chester grape]

smooth, sleek, shaved bags. plump full of milk.


This is new forum is hard for you isn't it anti? I mean, realizing the you are completely out-brained by everyone here must be discouraging.

Particularly when you consider how ridiculously dumb most of us actually are.

[phatboy]

Particularly when you consider how ridiculously dumb most of us actually are.

I'll drink to that....

[chester grape]

* Hic! *

[Samanthasez]

*Fart*

[chester grape]

* sniff sniff *

Phew! You didn't follow through there, did you Sam?

[pimpchichi]

Grim,

Take that fucking sig gif down. It's horrible. Perhaps it's your conscience that doesn't allow you to sleep at night. :idea:

Nope that would not be it. But sure just for you.

Thank you...I really do appreciate it; 9/11 is still too fresh a wound for me.

why? did you lose a loved one??

[Samanthasez]

Why??

Would it be more meaningful to you if I had?

[pimpchichi]

do you still get nasty twinges from pearl harbour?

[DangerousDan]

How did you know?

[ucicare]

do you still get nasty twinges from pearl harbour?


I do. I have a hard time warming up to the Japanese.

Come to think of it, I don't much care for Brits either.

[Samanthasez]

do you still get nasty twinges from pearl harbour?

In all honesty I don't really understand your questioning.

[pimpchichi]

at least berry does

[Samanthasez]

at least berry does

I see. It's much more lucid now. :roll:

[ucicare]

at least berry does

I see. It's much more lucid now. :roll:

He's just baiting you Sam. Haven't you yet learned to ignore Trolls?

Let me help you - here is Pimps picture. Do you really want to match wits with a bi sexual guy that never flosses and unashamedly poses for pictures wearing a cat suit?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/ucicare/Pimpchchi2.jpg


I thought not.

[Samanthasez]

at least berry does

I see. It's much more lucid now. :roll:

He's just baiting you Sam. Haven't you yet learned to ignore Trolls?

Let me help you - here is Pimps picture. Do you really want to match wits with a bi sexual guy that never flosses and unashamedly poses for pictures wearing a cat suit?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/ucicare/Pimpchchi2.jpg


I thought not.

Darling, you don't give me enough credit.

[pimpchichi]

how is believing that, unless you actually lost someone on 9/11, you should get the fuck over it.. being a troll?

i got over 7/7... i got over the docklands bombing even though i was right around the corner... i got over the blackfriars bombing even though, had i not taken a different route that day, i'd have been dead...

[Ferine]

i got over 7/7... i got over the docklands bombing even though i was right around the corner... i got over the blackfriars bombing even though, had i not taken a different route that day, i'd have been dead...
That's all well and good pimp, but not everyone handles situations the same. Unless of course you're saying that you're way is the only correct way to deal with disasters, then I see your point.

[Nursey]

...jesus

[ucicare]

...jesus


I knew that Nursey would find the true path eventually......

Welcome to the fold Nursey. Doctrine class is at 7:00PM, followed by being felt up by the Bishop at 8:00PM. See you there.


Barry

[pimpchichi]

That's all well and good pimp, but not everyone handles situations the same. Unless of course you're saying that you're way is the only correct way to deal with disasters, then I see your point.

well seeing as the only way 9/11 affected most of america was through watching it on the news.. i'd say after 5 years they should get the fuck over it

[pimpchichi]

but i suppose you all love feeling like victims

[ucicare]

but i suppose you all love feeling like victims

I guess what you can't fathom Pimp is the concept of "UNITED" STATES.

The United Kingdom is a political union with a common Head of State. I don't see it's people being as fiercely patriotic as Americans. I also don't see them having a sense of "family" between regions. The term "United" as used in UK, speaks of a unity of governments, not people.

The US is a federation of states with a republican form of government.
What does that mean? It means that each of the 50 states in America are governed on their own. Although we are free to travel anywhere without restriction, individual States do not have jurisdiction in other States. (This is a great reason why the Bush Administration did not "fail" in their response to hurricane Katrina. The US government did the right thing by staying out of Louisiana's business until invited by it's local government.)

A federation creates much diversity between each State, and also much competition. It also creates a strong sense of family. The "United" in U.S. speaks of a unity of people, not just governments.

In Amercia, I can crack on my Yankee neighbors to the North, or my coon ass neighbors in Louisiana, or the worthless man/boys that cruise the clubs in California. That said, I will politely disembowel anyone from the outside that does the same thing. That is the way "brother" works.

So when Americans die, it effects us as if we actually knew the people who died, because they were in every way "Family."

It's the same reason we spend ten years tracking down the killer of one little kid. As far as I am concerned, that kid, regardless of who birthed it, was my son or daughter as well.

Regardless of what the rest of the World thinks about America, one thing is certain - we give a crap about each other. When one hurts, we all feel it.

I have a feeling that you will never grasp the concept.

[ucicare]

Darling, you don't give me enough credit.


Sammy called me Darling.

hits mapquest for directions to the Pacific Notrthwest

Just my luck - 2854 miles apart.

[pimpchichi]

one thing is certain - we give a crap about each other. When one hurts, we all feel it.

homelessness.. poverty... people advocating dismantling medicare/medicaid/social security... racism..


the american dream eh? sure looks that way from the outside berry :roll:

[Joeslogic]

Yeah Pimp its terrible. No one would ever want to come here. Desperate people are leaving in droves. A mass exodus with the population declining pretty soon there won't be anyone left. A veritable hell hole with so many other better places to live in the world.

[ucicare]

one thing is certain - we give a crap about each other. When one hurts, we all feel it.

homelessness.. poverty... people advocating dismantling medicare/medicaid/social security... racism..


the american dream eh? sure looks that way from the outside berry :roll:

It looks that way from the outside because the liberal media of America, who represent a thin majority and their own special interests, feed that crap to the rest of the world.

Let me clue you in Pimp. I live here. I work every day with the "impoverished" and the "less forutune." I know what America really looks like.

The truth is this - there is VERY LITTLE HOMELESSNESS in America. The miniscule number of people who refuse to accept the shelter that is offered them, and choose to sleep under a bridge are not "homeless." They are sick and refusing treatment.

I see the "homeless" often. I have never met one yet that was not either mentally ill, or hopelessly addicted to drugs/alcohol. They refuse treatment, and you can't make them get better. "Homlessness in America" is a myth. Some of the living conditions may not be great for everyone, but I bet the worst in America is still much better than the worst in other developed countries. Want proof? Ask any American if they know anybody - ANYBODY - that does not have clean running water available in their home. That's a real indicator of quality of life.

Statistically a person is "homeless" when they run up huge credit card bills, party all the time, lose their jobs, bankrupt, and have to move in with relatives. I have a hard time crying for people who make stupid decisions. They are homeless by definition, but they are surely sleeping with a roof over their head at night.


And Poverty? Yes, there are poor people in America. But the poor here still have it better than most every where else in the world. Want proof? Well tell me this Pimp, when is the last time you saw and American trying to sneak out of the Country to find a better life? And poor people here have something that is not always available in the rest of the world - they have the opportuinty to do better. Hard work still pays off here.

As far as social security, medicaid, etc - you just don't know what you are talking about. Every child in Alabama has access to "Kids First" health care. Community Medical facilities see people for a few dollars. The Community Mental health centers give out free drugs like candy. It may take a day or two to get treated for non emergencies, but people get treated.

And lastly, Racism. Screw you Pimp for even saying that.

America has every color and ethnicity. We live together and work together and get along just fine every day. There is always going to be individual racism anywhere you go, because there are stupid people anywhere you go. As a whole, this country is far ahead of the rest of the world in it's acceptance and tolerance. You go into any American resturant on any given day, and you will see all races and colors eating together and thinking nothing of it. Racism is a losers trump card that is played to hide incompetence and laziness - Ray Nagin being a prime example. What happened in New Orleans wasn't due to racism - it was due to incompetence on a local level. Nagin screams "racism" to cover his own ass, and the ignorant world out there believes it must be true.

Again, I waste my time. It is impossible to educate someone who has a vested interest in maintaining their erroneous beliefs.

[pimpchichi]

i ain't reading all dat wot u rote...

looks like i trolled u gud berry 8)

[ucicare]

i ain't reading all dat wot u rote...

looks like i trolled u gud berry 8)


Just read the last line. You just proved my point.

[pimpchichi]

actually i just read the first line and assumed you'd had a meltdown, posted your password to the whole forum, and joe was posting under your nick...

[pimpchichi]

i just skimmed your longass post finally berry... and i hate to break it to you.. but there are a hell of a lot of countries that are just the same.. if not better.. actually a few are almost certainly better

[Joeslogic]

A suggestion Pimp.

I recommend you go there to one of those wonderful places, enjoy life and quit exerting so much of your time and energy split between exploring sick and disgusting porn and hate filled anti-America rhetoric. Life is too short to waste it away.

That link was absolutely disgusting. Surfing for that shit and spreading it around is basically the same as marketing it. Think about it.

Please redeem yourself and tell the forum you not into that crap and it were immature of you to even go there. We all do stupid shit including myself from time to time. Forums like this are a setup to try and get people to be more outrageous than the other. Grim falls for that all the time.

If your intent was to shock well then you succeeded.
:shock:

[Samanthasez]

how is believing that, unless you actually lost someone on 9/11, you should get the fuck over it.. being a troll?

i got over 7/7... i got over the docklands bombing even though i was right around the corner... i got over the blackfriars bombing even though, had i not taken a different route that day, i'd have been dead...

What? Could you clarify that?

[pimpchichi]

I recommend you go there to one of those wonderful places, enjoy life

yes joe i plan on sailing to Pala one day and living out my life talking to parrots, binging on moksha and fucking my way through my newfound extended family

quit exerting so much of your time and energy split between exploring sick and disgusting porn and hate filled anti-America rhetoric. Life is too short to waste it away.

it takes no time or energy to find sick, disgusting porn.. or anti-americanism on the internet... that being said, i grew weary of any and all porn a long time ago.. excessive availability tends to do that for me...
and anti-american? don't kid yourself that i reserve my scorn for purely the good ol' USofA

That link was absolutely disgusting. Surfing for that shit and spreading it around is basically the same as marketing it. Think about it.

i reposted a link to a video i saw on another site, that i couldn't personally watch past the first few seconds, for shits and giggles...

get over it or build a fucking memorial.. i don't care

Please redeem yourself and tell the forum you not into that crap and it were immature of you to even go there. We all do stupid shit including myself from time to time. Forums like this are a setup to try and get people to be more outrageous than the other. Grim falls for that all the time.

If your intent was to shock well then you succeeded.
:shock:

oh do shut up

[Joeslogic]

http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2006-08/25104378.jpg

Pimp said: i reposted a link to a video i saw on another site, that i couldn't personally watch past the first few seconds, for shits and giggles...

A lot of really sick fucks start out like that surfing sick porn. And making excuses for it.

[pimpchichi]

i surfed for sick porn long time ago... and when seeing a guy receiving the full length of a stallions cock up his ass merely evokes a 'meh' reaction you know that porn days are long gone...

i took the link from the 18+ section of an art forum.. the really sick fucks are banned pretty swiftly...

you wouldn't last long

[chester grape]

http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2006-08/25104378.jpg

Pimp said: i reposted a link to a video i saw on another site, that i couldn't personally watch past the first few seconds, for shits and giggles...

A lot of really sick fucks start out like that surfing sick porn. And making excuses for it.

Ludicrous, Joe. Completely ludicrous. You have no evidence that that idiot surfed for porn, and certainly none that it was this behaviour that made him into the so-called "monster" he is today.

Add to that the fact that he's just a fame-seeking loser, and not the child killer you all had him pegged as being, and your entire post is – as I think I've already said – ludicrous.

[Joeslogic]

Your right Chester so when that cute little female Chester offspring reaches the tender age of oh say 10. Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away. Off of a pool of prospects directly from persons who specifically surf that type of porn. You can feel comfortable knowing your daughter is in good hands. Cause to think anything else would be.

Well... just simply ludicrous.

[chester grape]

Your right Chester so when that cute little female Chester offspring reaches the tender age of oh say 10. Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away. Off of a pool of prospects directly from persons who specifically surf that type of porn. You can feel comfortable knowing your daughter is in good hands. Cause to think anything else would be.

Well... just simply ludicrous.

No, of course I wouldn't be comfortable with that, you intellectual Leviathan, you.

But you're not arguing the point I'm making, which was ... I'll put this as simply as I can for you ... you have absolutely no shred of evidence of a causal link between watching self-mutilation porn and becoming* a child molester.

*... or even claiming to have become ...

[ucicare]

Your right Chester so when that cute little female Chester offspring reaches the tender age of oh say 10. Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away. Off of a pool of prospects directly from persons who specifically surf that type of porn. You can feel comfortable knowing your daughter is in good hands. Cause to think anything else would be.

Well... just simply ludicrous.

No, of course I wouldn't be comfortable with that, you intellectual Leviathan, you.

But you're not arguing the point I'm making, which was ... I'll put this as simply as I can for you ... you have absolutely no shred of evidence of a causal link between watching self-mutilation porn and becoming* a child molester.

*... or even claiming to have become ...


This would be a good topic for a new thread.....nah, that's not the Fugly tradition.

No link between porn and perversion? There is literally 100's of research projects worldwide that have valididated a link between pornography and violent sexual crime. While it is probably not accurate to say that pornography causes someone to be a child molester, it is almost certainly true to say that pornography paves the road to perversion.

No question that a link exists between pornography and sexual perversion. The question to be answered is which came first, the chicken or the egg.

[Joeslogic]

you intellectual Leviathan, you

Hey back up a little. Ok I was just making a point that no sane person would argue against so that we can at least find some common ground.

Point is even if the sick porn does not cause the sick perversion. I think maybe we can agree that it has the potential to feed the perversion like fertilizer.

And thats not a good thing.

[Joeslogic]

Ph and to address the point you were making.

To me one is about as sick as the other. And with the same effect of feeding the sickness.

[chester grape]

No link between porn and perversion? There is literally 100's of research projects worldwide that have valididated a link between pornography and violent sexual crime. While it is probably not accurate to say that pornography causes someone to be a child molester, it is almost certainly true to say that pornography paves the road to perversion.

No question that a link exists between pornography and sexual perversion. The question to be answered is which came first, the chicken or the egg.

Correct. And given that millions of people watch porn without committing crimes of any description, let alone sexual ones, I think we can safely say the perversion comes first.

It's a little like the "marijuana causes you to move onto harder drugs" argument, where the logic is equally flawed. You walk up to someone who's on hard drugs and ask them if they ever used marijuana, and BINGO, case closed, of course they all have. (It is, after all, the easiest illicit drug to get hold of.)

No one every thinks to ask them if they used alcohol or cigarettes, because that wouldn't suit the point they are trying to make. And no one considers the countless millions of people who have a sly puff of the weed on the weekend and have never, ever moved onto anything else.

Likewise, of course sexual predators have viewed pornography. And honestly, hasn't everyone? But the vast majority never move onto sexual crimes of any description.

Here's a few other questions we could ask sexual predators, in the course of our "research":

- Have you ever eaten at McDonalds? (Therefore, eating at McDonalds causes you to become a sexual predator.)
- Have you ever licked a stamp? (Therefore, licking stamps causes you to become a sexual predator.)
- Have you ever read the Bible? (etc. etc. etc.)

[Joeslogic]

Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away.

[chester grape]

Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away.

The use of "logic" in your screen name is for the purposes of irony, right?

[Joeslogic]

Correct. And given that millions of people watch porn without committing crimes of any description, let alone sexual ones, I think we can safely say the perversion comes first.

It's a little like the "marijuana causes you to move onto harder drugs" argument, where the logic is equally flawed. You walk up to someone who's on hard drugs and ask them if they ever used marijuana, and BINGO, case closed, of course they all have. (It is, after all, the easiest illicit drug to get hold of.)

No one every thinks to ask them if they used alcohol or cigarettes, because that wouldn't suit the point they are trying to make. And no one considers the countless millions of people who have a sly puff of the weed on the weekend and have never, ever moved onto anything else.

Likewise, of course sexual predators have viewed pornography. And honestly, hasn't everyone? But the vast majority never move onto sexual crimes of any description.

Here's a few other questions we could ask sexual predators, in the course of our "research":

- Have you ever eaten at McDonalds? (Therefore, eating at McDonalds causes you to become a sexual predator.)
- Have you ever licked a stamp? (Therefore, licking stamps causes you to become a sexual predator.)
- Have you ever read the Bible? (etc. etc. etc.)


Then I'll get you a male nanny to watch her while you are away.

You cannot have the argument both ways either common since prevails or it doesn’t. Which is it?

[chester grape]

If the nanny comes with references and is from a reputable agency I have no problem with their gender.

I have babysat for some of my friends who are also parents, and they had no problems with it either. Even though, as I freely admit, I have, in the past, eaten at McDonalds. :wink:

[Checkmate]

one thing is certain - we give a crap about each other. When one hurts, we all feel it.

homelessness.. poverty... people advocating dismantling medicare/medicaid/social security... racism..


the american dream eh? sure looks that way from the outside berry :roll:

It looks that way from the outside because the liberal media of America, who represent a thin majority and their own special interests, feed that crap to the rest of the world.

Let me clue you in Pimp. I live here. I work every day with the "impoverished" and the "less forutune." I know what America really looks like.

The truth is this - there is VERY LITTLE HOMELESSNESS in America. The miniscule number of people who refuse to accept the shelter that is offered them, and choose to sleep under a bridge are not "homeless." They are sick and refusing treatment.

I see the "homeless" often. I have never met one yet that was not either mentally ill, or hopelessly addicted to drugs/alcohol. They refuse treatment, and you can't make them get better. "Homlessness in America" is a myth. Some of the living conditions may not be great for everyone, but I bet the worst in America is still much better than the worst in other developed countries. Want proof? Ask any American if they know anybody - ANYBODY - that does not have clean running water available in their home. That's a real indicator of quality of life.

Statistically a person is "homeless" when they run up huge credit card bills, party all the time, lose their jobs, bankrupt, and have to move in with relatives. I have a hard time crying for people who make stupid decisions. They are homeless by definition, but they are surely sleeping with a roof over their head at night.


And Poverty? Yes, there are poor people in America. But the poor here still have it better than most every where else in the world. Want proof? Well tell me this Pimp, when is the last time you saw and American trying to sneak out of the Country to find a better life? And poor people here have something that is not always available in the rest of the world - they have the opportuinty to do better. Hard work still pays off here.

As far as social security, medicaid, etc - you just don't know what you are talking about. Every child in Alabama has access to "Kids First" health care. Community Medical facilities see people for a few dollars. The Community Mental health centers give out free drugs like candy. It may take a day or two to get treated for non emergencies, but people get treated.

And lastly, Racism. Screw you Pimp for even saying that.

America has every color and ethnicity. We live together and work together and get along just fine every day. There is always going to be individual racism anywhere you go, because there are stupid people anywhere you go. As a whole, this country is far ahead of the rest of the world in it's acceptance and tolerance. You go into any American resturant on any given day, and you will see all races and colors eating together and thinking nothing of it. Racism is a losers trump card that is played to hide incompetence and laziness - Ray Nagin being a prime example. What happened in New Orleans wasn't due to racism - it was due to incompetence on a local level. Nagin screams "racism" to cover his own ass, and the ignorant world out there believes it must be true.

Again, I waste my time. It is impossible to educate someone who has a vested interest in maintaining their erroneous beliefs.

Big Bazza Wrote
It looks that way from the outside because the liberal media of America, who represent a thin majority and their own special interests, feed that crap to the rest of the world.

I thought you were all one United Family of the United States of America? seems like a funny time to be drawing division lines with in your clan.

Big Bazza Wrote
lett me clue you in Pimp. I live here. I work every day with the "impoverished" and the "less forutune." I know what America really looks like.

I did the same for 4 years, and what is presented on the surface is grossley different from how things actually are. I have also worked in South Africa, Canada, Western Carribbean, Europe, currently in the UK, and the help people recieve in third world countries is better than what poor people in the US get.

America is the best place to be a millionaire, the worst place to be poor.

BIG BAZZA Wrote:
The truth is this - there is VERY LITTLE HOMELESSNESS in America. The miniscule number of people who refuse to accept the shelter that is offered them, and choose to sleep under a bridge are not "homeless." They are sick and refusing treatment.

I see the "homeless" often. I have never met one yet that was not either mentally ill, or hopelessly addicted to drugs/alcohol. They refuse treatment, and you can't make them get better. "Homlessness in America" is a myth. Some of the living conditions may not be great for everyone, but I bet the worst in America is still much better than the worst in other developed countries. Want proof? Ask any American if they know anybody - ANYBODY - that does not have clean running water available in their home. That's a real indicator of quality of life.

Statistically a person is "homeless" when they run up huge credit card bills, party all the time, lose their jobs, bankrupt, and have to move in with relatives. I have a hard time crying for people who make stupid decisions. They are homeless by definition, but they are surely sleeping with a roof over their head at night.


And Poverty? Yes, there are poor people in America. But the poor here still have it better than most every where else in the world. Want proof? Well tell me this Pimp, when is the last time you saw and American trying to sneak out of the Country to find a better life? And poor people here have something that is not always available in the rest of the world - they have the opportuinty to do better. Hard work still pays off here.

As far as social security, medicaid, etc - you just don't know what you are talking about. Every child in Alabama has access to "Kids First" health care. Community Medical facilities see people for a few dollars. The Community Mental health centers give out free drugs like candy. It may take a day or two to get treated for non emergencies, but people get treate

There is a huge population of poor and homeless people in the US, it's just that data is unpopular and hard to get a hold of. The growth between the rich and the poor is at an all time high, especially in the United States. Hell the united states decided finally after 26 years to give the working poor a boost in minum wage. Classy.

about your bit on social securty etc. What are the national stats outside of Alabama, you answered a national question with a local response. I left the states for a better life, QUALITY of life, you can have the most toys in the US, but I prefer the Life in a cultured, world aware place, where out of sight out mind isn't a national modo.

BIG BAZZA WROTE:
And lastly, Racism. Screw you Pimp for even saying that.

America has every color and ethnicity. We live together and work together and get along just fine every day. There is always going to be individual racism anywhere you go, because there are stupid people anywhere you go. As a whole, this country is far ahead of the rest of the world in it's acceptance and tolerance. You go into any American resturant on any given day, and you will see all races and colors eating together and thinking nothing of it. Racism is a losers trump card that is played to hide incompetence and laziness - Ray Nagin being a prime example. What happened in New Orleans wasn't due to racism - it was due to incompetence on a local level. Nagin screams "racism" to cover his own ass, and the ignorant world out there believes it must be true.

How about the KKK, plantations, Slave trade, the US have a long history of Racisim and violence agaisnt blacks, and other minorites. I would hardly call the US Multicultral you know with the melting pot and all.

The only part I find interesting about Katrina, is that the poorest and blackest city in the US got the worst response from it's white Government, now that maybe indirect racism, but it's still racism.

And I doubt you can call yourself Multicultral from your gated community and manicured lawn.

[ucicare]

Check, you said that "the help people recieve in third world countries is better than what poor people in the US get." I was just curious to know where the funding for that help is coming from.


You know Check, I actually like you and am interested in your opinion.

What bothers me is this - you are a drug/alcohol Counselor, correct?
Yet you spend the entire weekend "a complete mess" in the South of France. So do you mean drugs, alcohol, what?

You are over 28 years old, yet have no intentions of being attached to anything concrete - No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

Surely as a Counselor you know the importance of attachment.

I have a hard time accepting what you say becasue of the plasticity of your way of thinking. Sorry, just being honest.

[pimpchichi]

No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

therefore his opinions are impartial surely.. because all those you mentioned affect your partiality....

[ucicare]

No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

therefore his opinions are impartial surely.. because all those you mentioned affect your partiality....


His opinions can't be impartial, because he sees everything through a filter of his own selfish needs and desires.

Just like you Pimp. Just like you.

[Checkmate]

Check, you said that "the help people recieve in third world countries is better than what poor people in the US get." I was just curious to know where the funding for that help is coming from.


You know Check, I actually like you and am interested in your opinion.

What bothers me is this - you are a drug/alcohol Counselor, correct?
Yet you spend the entire weekend "a complete mess" in the South of France. So do you mean drugs, alcohol, what?

You are over 28 years old, yet have no intentions of being attached to anything concrete - No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

Surely as a Counselor you know the importance of attachment.

I have a hard time accepting what you say becasue of the plasticity of your way of thinking. Sorry, just being honest.

Barry


Barry Wrote:
Check, you said that "the help people recieve in third world countries is better than what poor people in the US get." I was just curious to know where the funding for that help is coming from.

Albiet Barry, some of the funding comes from the US, not a great deal does. Majority of the people who have addiction problems are poor in third world, as in the United States, they recieve a higher level of compassion and treatment than there eqivalent poor counterparts in the US. There was more I could do for them, then I could in the Richest country in the world. Sadly, one of the many things I would change if I could.


Barry Wrote:
You know Check, I actually like you and am interested in your opinion.

What bothers me is this - you are a drug/alcohol Counselor, correct?
Yet you spend the entire weekend "a complete mess" in the South of France. So do you mean drugs, alcohol, what?

I was a complete mess I drank champange and vodka, had casual sex. No drugs of any kind. This is my form of stress release, you build houses, and move constantly, I chase my problems away with Champagne Mohito's, Vodka on the rocks and casual sex. We all have our methods of stress relief. These are mine, right or wrong, I don't hurt anyone esle when I do it, I am an adult and take the necessary precautions. It also involved a day of reading voltaire on the beach as well, truly a criminal act if I do say so. :wink:

Barry Wrote:
You are over 28 years old, yet have no intentions of being attached to anything concrete - No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

I am interested in Man, and the planet, I enjoy travelling learning about the people, places, fighting off Malaria (twice), culture, and exploring the world we inhabit, I don't need an allegiance to a country to help people with addictions, and beating addictions. Addiction and drugs certianly know no borders, I adopt the same philosphy. I have learned tons from many cultures and their attitude towards addicition, that I never would have learned from a text book.

No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

Barry these are the things you hold to be true for your security, I don't need those things, or want them, My idea's of how to live my life, are my own, and are not up for discussion or deabte.

I have no desire to have a relationship with a woman, only to tell her that I am moving to South Africa, it's not fair to her. I don't offer someone more than I can give, same goes for children etc.

Myself is all I have Barry, I don't have a family, or extended family, so who else would you like me to have an allegiance to?

Barry Wrote:
Surely as a Counselor you know the importance of attachment.

I have a hard time accepting what you say becasue of the plasticity of your way of thinking. Sorry, just being honest.

I can appreciate your Honestly Barry, and I do know the importance of attachment, I aslo know the value of self reliance, determination, goal setting, and getting back up once you have fallen back down the list goes on.

I have my own issues like anyone else, still my life is my own, the world is a bigger place than your own back yard, my choice is to go out and experience it, some of it good, some of it bad. You may not agree with how I spend my personal time, but that's your issue not mine, I live my life with how it makes me happy, and how I can put the crap I deal with behind me so I can come back and continue to help the people who need it.

I enjoy an ocassional weekend bender, and casual sex. You enjoy building houses, moving, and fishing. You're secure in the knowledge that you have a sucessfull career, a loving family. I am secure in the fact my travels will never end, and I will see as much of the planet as I can before I kick the bucket. In the end they serve the same purpose, enjoying the time we have left with who makes us happy in your case, or in my case, what makes me happy.

Cheers!

Checkers!




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[pimpchichi]

His opinions can't be impartial, because he sees everything through a filter of his own selfish needs and desires.

Just like you Pimp. Just like you.

actually my selfish needs and desires are pretty few.. my needs and desires revolve around the betterment and happiness of those around me.. my loved ones

stop pretending you know me you quack

[Checkmate]

No wife, no country, no home, no children, and no allegiance to anything other than yourself.

therefore his opinions are impartial surely.. because all those you mentioned affect your partiality....


His opinions can't be impartial, because he sees everything through a filter of his own selfish needs and desires.

Just like you Pimp. Just like you.

Barry Wrote:
His opinions can't be impartial, because he sees everything through a filter of his own selfish needs and desires.

Like every other human being on the planet.

[phatboy]

His opinions can't be impartial, because he sees everything through a filter of his own selfish needs and desires.

Like every other human being on the planet.

Please do not lump me into that category. I will be leaving the planet shortly on one of Smurfs spaceships. All we have to do is drink the kool aid and wait.

[smurfslappa]

Please do not lump me into that category. I will be leaving the planet shortly on one of Smurfs spaceships. All we have to do is drink the kool aid and wait. . wait. . . wait
Oh so now you want to come, too? Hah! Too late, I've already handed out all the Kool-Aid and I'm afraid there's not enough left for you. I'd been telling you for I don't know how long, you had your chance.

[Joeslogic]

America is the best place to be a millionaire, the worst place to be poor.

Odd that somehow the worlds poorest migrate to here and some end up millionaires.

Check all the hatin and exaggeratin is unlike you and it does nothing to backup your credibility. I suppose your still wearing off the big weekend its cool mellow out and think about it though.

[MAJ Havoc]

Gene Simmons: born in Haifa, Israel. Came to America at 8 and could not speak English. Grew up to be a huge marketing whore. Gotta love it. I've read his autobiography. He's my inspiration.

[ucicare]

Check,

Well wriiten reply. You did a nice job of letting me be an ass without being an ass in return. Not that you changed my mind or anything....but well written.



Pimp, you still suck.

Why you ask? I still haven't forgiven you for affectionately calling Nursey
a cunt. A bright girl like that deserves better.

[ucicare]

Gene Simmons: born in Haifa, Israel. Came to America at 8 and could not speak English. Grew up to be a huge marketing whore. Gotta love it. I've read his autobiography. He's my inspiration.

What inspires you, his success with money or his exploits with women?

He doesn't inspire me. I'm just jealous.

[Checkmate]

Check,

Well wriiten reply. You did a nice job of letting me be an ass without being an ass in return. Not that you changed my mind or anything....but well written.



Pimp, you still suck.

Why you ask? I still haven't forgiven you for affectionately calling Nursey
a cunt. A bright girl like that deserves better.

Thanks there old Bazza, my intention was not to change your mind, just infact in pursuing the same goals at the end of the day.

Cheers!

Checkers

[chester grape]

Sing it with me ...

Can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it's laid to rest
It's enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

[Checkmate]

America is the best place to be a millionaire, the worst place to be poor.

Odd that somehow the worlds poorest migrate to here and some end up millionaires.

Check all the hatin and exaggeratin is unlike you and it does nothing to backup your credibility. I suppose your still wearing off the big weekend its cool mellow out and think about it though.

There are lots of the things wrong and unjust in every country I have worked in or visited. Yes, the USofA is on the list, Like every country on the planet you have problems.

I don't hate the US or anyother place for that matter, and I am not exagerating on the problems that the US faces for it's poor population and it's quickly erroding middle class.

[Checkmate]

Sing it with me ...

Can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it's laid to rest
It's enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

I am a bigger fan of Kylie Minnogue (sp?) pehaps your finest rendition of Locomotive, when you have a momment MC Grapey.

[chester grape]

You'll find, Checkers, that Locomotion is actually a cover version, recorded first by a one hit wonder called Little Eva.

So here instead is another of "Our Kylie's" ... ahem ... 'Greatest Hits'. Enjoy:

Especially for you
I wanna let you know what I was going through
All the time we were apart I thought of you

You were in my heart
My love never changed
I still feel the same

*Especially for you
*I wanna tell you I was feeling that way too
*And if dreams were wings, you know
*I would have flown to you
*To be where you are
No matter how far
+And now that I'm next to you

*No more dreaming about tomorrow
*Forget the loneliness and the sorrow
I've got to say
+It's all because of you

CHORUS: +And now we're back together, together
+I wanna show you my heart is oh so true
+And all the love I have is +Especially for you

Especially for you
I wanna tell you, you mean all the world to me
*How I'm certain that our love was meant to be
*You changed my life
You showed me the way
+And now that I'm next to you

*I've waited long enough to find you
*I wanna put all the hurt behind you Oh,
+And I wanna bring out all the love inside you, +Oh

CHORUS

You were in my heart
My love never changed

CHORUS: (repeat & fade)

(* Jason singing)
(+ both Kylie and Jason singing)

[Checkmate]

Grapey,

**sniff sniff* That was beautiful. MC Grapey do you think you could do a little Midnight Oil? or Maybe Men at Work?

[pimpchichi]

Why you ask? I still haven't forgiven you for affectionately calling Nursey
a cunt. A bright girl like that deserves better.


because you're a dumb prick.. that's why berry

[pimpchichi]

and i'm surprised you say that.. because in berryville.. she can't be that bright.. she still chooses me :roll:

[chester grape]

Pimp, Barry. This argument is beneath both of you. Move on.

[ucicare]

she can't be that bright.. she still chooses me :roll:


Damn. You win. I can't argue with that logic.

[ucicare]

The only part I find interesting about Katrina, is that the poorest and blackest city in the US got the worst response from it's white Government, now that maybe indirect racism, but it's still racism.


News flash - the Poorest and Blackest city on America is

drum roll........................

Washington, DC

[chester grape]

The only part I find interesting about Katrina, is that the poorest and blackest city in the US got the worst response from it's white Government, now that maybe indirect racism, but it's still racism.


News flash - the Poorest and Blackest city on America is

drum roll........................

Washington, DC

Newsflash: Cleveland is America's poorest city (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04270/385601.stm).

Oh, and so's Detroit (http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200510/20051012/slide_20051012_284_107.jhtml).

Seems it's quite a competitive title fight!

[ucicare]

The only part I find interesting about Katrina, is that the poorest and blackest city in the US got the worst response from it's white Government, now that maybe indirect racism, but it's still racism.


News flash - the Poorest and Blackest city on America is

drum roll........................

Washington, DC

Newsflash: Cleveland is America's poorest city (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04270/385601.stm).

Oh, and so's Detroit (http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200510/20051012/slide_20051012_284_107.jhtml).

Seems it's quite a competitive title fight!


Cinncinati is less than 50% Black. So that means that the poorest city in America is predominately White. Detroit is 88% Black, and always makes the top ten list for poverty. DC wins because it is 70% Black, and always in the top ten for poorest. Ther report that came out today ranked them #1, and Cinncinati 12th.

FYI - New Orleans came in at 9th on the list of poorest cities.

While the truth is that one of the poorest and blackest areas (9th ward) of New Orleans was flooded, New Orleans is not the "poorest and blackest" American city. Not by a long shot.

[chester grape]

Detroit is 88% Black, and always makes the top ten list for poverty. DC wins because it is 70% Black, and always in the top ten for poorest.

I've never been great at maths, but even I can spot the discrepancy in the above statements.

[Checkmate]

Cinncinati is less than 50% Black. So that means that the poorest city in America is predominately White. Detroit is 88% Black, and always makes the top ten list for poverty. DC wins because it is 70% Black, and always in the top ten for poorest. Ther report that came out today ranked them #1, and Cinncinati 12th.

FYI - New Orleans came in at 9th on the list of poorest cities.

While the truth is that one of the poorest and blackest areas (9th ward) of New Orleans was flooded, New Orleans is not the "poorest and blackest" American city. Not by a long shot.

Bazza you're a Racist for even knowing those facts. :D

[DrBungle]

And because he hates niggers, spics and jews!

[Ferine]

And because he hates niggers, spics and jews!
You love the hate. :lol: