I hate it when Nursey is right.....

[Checkmate]

I honestly don't know what to say about this...This put me at a loss of words.

http://www.yikers.com/video_bayer_purposely_deployed_medicine_with_hiv_i n_it.html

[ucicare]

I honestly don't know what to say about this...This put me at a loss of words.

http://www.yikers.com/video_bayer_purposely_deployed_medicine_with_hiv_i n_it.html


I hate it when it is assumed that Nursey is right.

Bayer may well have committed a criminal act here. I don;t know for sure. What I do know for sure is that the incident in question didn't happen yesterday, it happened in 1983, which is about 23 years ago. Not as much was know about AIDS at that time.

July 5th, 2006 marks the 25th anniversary of the first reported case of AIDS.

I think Bayer probably did wrong. Just keep it in perspective of 1983, not 2006.

[DangerousDan]

It wasn't a medicine it was a clotting factor (factor VIII) produced by the body that the blood needs to clot for hemophiliacs, who lack the clotting factor, and was donated by donors like any other blood product. It must have occurred around the time people were becoming aware of the risk of blood products causing a disease that we now know as AIDs and before screening tests were developed for donated blood products. Here is a more neutral reporting of the facts:



Bayer Sold HIV-Risky Meds

FRANKFURT, Germany, May 22, 2003
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(AP)


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"Decisions made nearly two decades ago were based on the best scientific information of the time and were consistent with the regulations in place. They cannot be judged on the information available today."
Bayer AG
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(AP) Chemical and drug maker Bayer AG said Thursday it acted "responsibly, ethically and humanely" during the 1980s in selling a blood-clotting product that stopped potentially fatal bleeding in hemophiliacs but was linked to the risk of HIV infection.

The company's statement was in response to a New York Times report that it sold millions of dollars worth of an older version of the medication in Latin America and Asia while marketing a newer, safer product in the United States and Europe.

Bayer division Cutter Biological continued selling old stocks of the medicine for more than a year after it introduced a version in February 1984 that was heat-treated to kill HIV, according to documents obtained by the Times.

The medicine, called Factor VIII concentrate, can stop or prevent potentially fatal bleeding in people with hemophilia, a genetic condition that prevents blood from clotting normally.

Early in the AIDS epidemic, the medicine was made using plasma from 10,000 or more donors. There was not yet a screening test for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, so even a small number of HIV-positive donors could taint a large pool of plasma recipients.

As a result, thousands of hemophiliacs became infected with HIV. Bayer and three other companies that made the concentrate have paid about $600 million to settle more than 15 years of lawsuits accusing them of making a dangerous product, the newspaper said.

The documents from that litigation, examined by the Times, include internal memos, minutes of marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors.

Bayer, based in the western German city of Leverkusen, said Cutter continued selling the older version because some customers doubted the new one's effectiveness, and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. It said there were initially concerns that heat-treating might make the drug less safe or less effective.

"Bayer has always behaved responsibly, ethically, and humanely to provide lifesaving products for the global hemophilia community," the statement said.

"Decisions made nearly two decades ago were based on the best scientific information of the time and were consistent with the regulations in place. They cannot be judged on the information available today."

The Times said at least 100 hemophiliacs in Hong Kong and Taiwan alone contracted AIDS after using the older product, and that many have since died. Li Wei-chun said her son, who died in 1996 at the age of 23, was among the victims.

"They did not care about the lives in Asia," she said. "It was racial discrimination."

Cutter also sold the older medicine in Argentina, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore after February 1984, according to the documents. The newspaper said Cutter shipped more than 100,000 vials of unheated concentrate, worth more than $4 million, after it began selling the safer product.

The sales continued partly because of Cutter's desire to deplete stocks of the older medicine, and partly because of fixed-price contracts, for which the company believed the older product would be cheaper to make, the newspaper said.

In March 1983, the federal Centers for Disease Control warned that blood products appeared responsible for AIDS among hemophiliacs. Three months later, Cutter sent a letter to distributors in nearly two dozen nations saying that AIDS was "the center of irrational response in many countries."

In late 1984, as Hong Kong hemophiliacs began testing positive for HIV, some doctors wondered whether Cutter was sending "AIDS-tainted" medicine into less-developed nations.

But the company assured its distributor that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was the "same fine product we have supplied for years."

In May 1985, Dr. Harry M. Meyer Jr., the Food and Drug Administration's blood-products official, called the companies to a meeting, believing they had broken an agreement to stop selling the older medicine, the Times said. But Meyer decided to handle the matter quietly instead of notifying the public, the newspaper said.

[diogenes]

A serious post from Dan. Baby steps Dan, baby steps.

[Dwaine Scum]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

[ucicare]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

[ucicare]

A serious post from Dan. Baby steps Dan, baby steps.

That is what is so amazing about Dan. Sometimes he is rational, logical and intelligent, and other times he sounds like a combination of Smurf and Hillary Clinton.


Must be drugs. He is better when he is wasted I bet.



Barry

[diogenes]

Speaking of drugs, a kid showed up here at work yesterday. He was wasted out of his mind. He was so drugged out he couldn't even pull the money out of his pocket and he was shaking like he had Parkinsons. I made him sit on the couch, and he was too fucked up to even call home. He started wandering around, so I escorted him back up front and made him sit on the couch. Within 30 seconds he couldn't even maintain muscle tension in his neck. I checked his pulse and it was at about 160, so I called the paramedics. His pulse was about 160, but his respiration was at about 4 breaths a minute. The paramedics showed up, put him on a gurney, and wheeled him out. They had to defrib him on the way out of the parking lot. Last I heard he was in critical condition in the ICU and they couldn't figure out what it was that he had taken. Before he passed out he said he'd taken about 20 Soma, but Soma doesn't make your heart rate jump into the 200's. You guys have any ideas. He tested negative for coke and speed, so those were my first two guesses.

[ucicare]

Speaking of drugs, a kid showed up here at work yesterday. He was wasted out of his mind. He was so drugged out he couldn't even pull the money out of his pocket and he was shaking like he had Parkinsons. I made him sit on the couch, and he was too fucked up to even call home. He started wandering around, so I escorted him back up front and made him sit on the couch. Within 30 seconds he couldn't even maintain muscle tension in his neck. I checked his pulse and it was at about 160, so I called the paramedics. His pulse was about 160, but his respiration was at about 4 breaths a minute. The paramedics showed up, put him on a gurney, and wheeled him out. They had to defrib him on the way out of the parking lot. Last I heard he was in critical condition in the ICU and they couldn't figure out what it was that he had taken. Before he passed out he said he'd taken about 20 Soma, but Soma doesn't make your heart rate jump into the 200's. You guys have any ideas. He tested negative for coke and speed, so those were my first two guesses.


Five Soma's = Near Death experience. Tremors, Convulsions, Tachardia.

TWO Soma and TWO Budweiser = GOOD NIGHT, SLEEP TIGHT, MAYBE YOU WILL WAKE UP TOMORROW, MAYBE NOT.

I take one a night for muscle pain in my leg. Good stuff in moderation.

[Dwaine Scum]

Damn barry I got a drug problerm, I take like 10 of them with 5 percocetsa... nice buzz

[smurfslappa]

Maybe PCP laced shrooms or weed or maybe a whole lotta X. That really does sound like a coke OD though.

[diogenes]

Nope, not coke, PCP, or weed. All of those would have shown up in a urine sample. Not Exstacy either. That would have shown up in a urine sample as well. I'm thinking it's some form of designer drug that he mixed with Soma. Just a hunch. People around here have more money then brains.

[Dwaine Scum]

What about GHB, DMT, LSD, they are not detectable in urine or hair (okay Ketamine is postive in blood), fame with Ketamine, and its true, Poppy Seed Bagels will fuck up an opiod urine and hair strand test, only true drug test is a lumbar puncture, but those (I believe ) are illegal. Designer drugs are where its at! Same with Psylociblin,,, it reacts like PCP, so they say you are whacked on PCP, and the only way to test is an spinal tap (lumbar puncture) so the nurse/doctor tries to get the patient to admit and sign a confession saying they abused PCP. (this happend to an aquantance of mine)

[diogenes]

They took a blood sample, but those take 24 hours to process. He was in critical condition when they took the blood sample. For all I know the kids dead by now. Just kind of mulling the question over in my mind.

[TheStreaker1337]

Not to be the harbinger of hate, but honestly, if he's dead, at least he won't have the chance to breed, and I'm personally okay with that.

On the other hand, I can only wonder what his family life was like. Maybe his mother is disgusting whore, or his father is immensly abusive... or maybe he just like the taste of his own bile being shoved through any open oriface it can escape from.

At any rate, wish I could have been there to see it. Cheers to Dio.

TheStreaker

[diogenes]

I think I still have the video. It's not that exciting though. Not the first time we've seen someone pass out on a couch.

[Nursey]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

Barry, if you disagree with Dwaine again, i'm going to kick your soft, watery jocksac up your quivering, fat bumhole. Capiche?

[ucicare]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

Barry, if you disagree with Dwaine again, i'm going to kick your soft, watery jocksac up your quivering, fat bumhole. Capiche?

Do I have to pay for that, or is it a freebie?


Barry

[Nursey]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

Barry, if you disagree with Dwaine again, i'm going to kick your soft, watery jocksac up your quivering, fat bumhole. Capiche?

Do I have to pay for that, or is it a freebie?


Barry

You can't put a price on something that precious. And it's not even mine to give. I simply act as a conduit for universal forces that find their way to the places that need them. Accepting it with gratitude is enough.

[Joeslogic]

I hate it when the fat cats get away with murder (http://suppressednews.com/newsitems/national/AlpklpyEECGZajUDD.html)[/url]

[tomm7110]

Why is it im always the dirty druggie baghead of the forum even though you guys take more drugs than ive ever seen(well maybe not) but cos there 'legal' its ok,your a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

[Joeslogic]

My drug of choice is alcohol these days that’s about it. I would like to try some of Lomo's brownies.

[diogenes]

I like what you consider balanced journalism Joe. The interantional herald tribune is biased, but that story isn't?

[smiles]

I like what you consider balanced journalism Joe. The interantional herald tribune is biased, but that story isn't?


why? just because they said that bill clinton has evil magic doesn;t mean they're biased!

[diogenes]

Of course not, and every Canadian knows that Clinton is a murderer. But Italy calling for a trial of soldiers that gun down an italian security agent are just part of the "hate America" crowd. Duh.

[Joeslogic]

Salon.com
(http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_23news.html)



haemophilia.org (http://www.haemophilia.org.uk/hsbb/index.php?action=vthread&forum=12&topic=109)


Guy pushing for a federal investigation and contributer to the Tainted Bolld bood firebombed in Arkansas. (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/bloodtrailfire.html)

Check out all the links here most were linked to a reputable Canadian Newspaper called Ottawa Citizen you will find the links dead ho hum right no big deal. So this should be simple cause the new url for the news paper is http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/index.html (http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/1/27/114853) and it has a search feature powered by google you can search exclusively articles by Ottawa Citizen so you might try simply putting in the title of the article and then searching. I'll save you some time just don't bother you will come up empty handed.

[smurfslappa]

Joe SUCKS!

[Joeslogic]

Here is another extensive list of articles chronologically listed about the Arkansas - Canada blood scandal prepare once again to be amazed at the extent of dead links. (http://www.newstrolls.com/news/dev/downes/column123098.htm)

[Joeslogic]

This guy got smart and copied articals from these sources and more onto his own webserver so they will not be deleated ..... or will they?


World Net Daily
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette,Nanfang Daily,The Sun,BBC News,Variety,Sunday Herald,The Daily Record,Associated Press,The Japan Times,Canadian Press (http://www.factor8movie.com/html/press/index.htm)

[Joeslogic]

Speaking of bias Mike Papantonio is a trial lawyer who makes millions off of these types of lawsuits.

Wikipedia.com Today "Pap" is certainly Southern and a lawyer, but he is hardly small-town. One of the most prominent trial attorneys in the country, he is renowned as the lead counsel in virtually every major product liability case against the pharmaceutical, industrial products, insurance and stock broking industries.

He like that Psycho Hinckley was influenced by the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" He practices mass torts, product liability and personal/injury wrongful death litigation.

Dio were you concerned about bias when this thread was started do I just need to scroll back and read the condescending remark I'm sure you made about weather the Baer Pharmaceuticals article was biased or not?

[diogenes]

You might need to remind me, because I don't think I was involved in this thread until about page 3.

[Nursey]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/01100.jpg

[DangerousDan]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/01100.jpg

Is that a hobbit at your feet?

[diogenes]

Smeagol?

[pimpchichi]

that looks like 'penis paul' the gayest straight man i've ever met

[headee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/01100.jpg

yet another picture that mysteriously looks like it was taken in the late 70's or early 80's... hmm...

[Nursey]

I was only 8 years old there.

[smurfslappa]

No wonder why I see myself in the picture there on the left, checking you out.

[headee]

I was only 8 years old there.

damn shame, an 8 year old allowed to smoke cigarettes like that.

[Schmed]

That's a candy cigarette.

[diogenes]

The real ones taste better.

[DangerousDan]

I was only 8 years old there.

damn shame, an 8 year old allowed to smoke cigarettes like that.

Hey! Headee taking down the big Nurthee!!! Impressive. I think you have what it takes. I know you got somthing. Just don't know what yet.

[ucicare]

nursey is always right, don't you fucks ever forget that

She hasn't posted a decent picture in a year. She is WRONG for that.

Barry

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/01100.jpg


I like the pink pajama terrorist picture better. Thanks for the effort though.

Barry