The Duke university incident

[Joeslogic]

Here seems to be a typical scenario that shows the power of the media to influence people and control them at will. From the evidence that I have read about this case is a mockery of the judicial system. This is Reminiscent of the book "Bonfire of the Vanities" by Tom Wolfe. If you have not read that book please do not watch the movie. Read the book and then after that I encourage you to watch the movie.

[diogenes]

You're ignoring the fact that Duke University is an elite university that draws it's roots from the methodist church. The very act of having a stripper at a party violates Duke university's code of ethics, and the fact that it is probable the players did something. The prosecutor is under the control of the liberal media as well, right?

[chester grape]

We all are, dio. We all are. :wink:

[diogenes]

Damn, it's like brave new world, but with a bunch of lazy people who are to lazy to do anything but accept government hand-outs.

[Joeslogic]

The prosecutor is under the control of the liberal media as well, right?


Yeah pretty much. .... You apparently never read the book.

[diogenes]

Funny thing is I don't think he is. I think these players think that they should have special priveledges, adn that's not true.

[Joeslogic]

I do not know which player this one is but I would bet it is the only black player on the team.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4136542

Where they cocky? Lets see they were on their way to a championship. Probably acted like a bunch od jackasses.

Does that mean that there was a rape? Nope.

You really should read the book. I'm not kidding.

[diogenes]

The trial will show if they commited rape or not. They never should have been in that position in the first place. I don't feel bad for them at all.

[chester grape]

Serves them right for playing lacrosse instead of a real sport in the first place.

[diogenes]

No shit. They should have known better. Are you a fan of uncontrolled hedonism and rampant pleasure seeking Joe?

[phatboy]

Serves them right for playing lacrosse instead of a real sport in the first place.

Exactly.

When they did the initial questioning they ruled out the single black player. When they asked the stripper who did it, 'it was these white guys'. Not to mention they found her in the parking lot of a store beligerently intoxicated. Not saying there wasnt a rape though.

Of course if they were Duke basketball players this would have never seen the news.

[Joeslogic]

This is a typical "if the shoe were on the other foot" scenario. Because the team was from a Methodist collage a school that is supposed to have an ideology based on conservative principals. (a total joke of an assumption) you are perfectly willing to gleefully sit back and watch as they are wrongly convicted in a media storm of bogus representations as to what occurred. See the community worked into frenzy under false assumptions. And that is fine with you.

You have two standards Dio. But you did make a correct point. They did put themselves in a position to be exploited that being said however the only reason there was a risk of being exploited in the first place was. The school was a Methodist school, they were a predominantly white team, and there was a local black community that could be worked into frenzy. The scenario works for the stir the hatred campaign.

Ask yourself the question Dio, whenever the "stir the flames of hatred campaign" is used, who benefits at the polls?
Whenever the "stirrup the politics of fear" campaign is used who benefits in the polls?
Whenever the "stirrup dissent against the legal system" is used who benefits in the polls?
Whenever the "stirrup the jealousy and class warfare" tactic is used who benefits in the polls?

After the people have been told what to think and what it is that they need to do about it. What changes that fixes the system?
Answer: Nothing but the perception that the stupid masses are led believe to by the media.

You honestly really should read the book and see what WTF I'm talking about. I'm tempted to purchase it for you. Just so that you can if not believe the same perception as me then see where I’m coming from. It is probably not in the public library there at your liberal school because it makes to compelling of a case of how the system uses human nature to manipulate the people.

[XerxesX]

The great Kha-khan once said.

"What is the greatset pleasure ?" and the kha-khan answered; "To kill ones enemy, ride his horses and posess his women". So allso in lacrosse.

[Joeslogic]

For some reason that makes so much sense now...must resist the urge ... must go

[phatboy]

What if we ride the women and posses the horses?

[smiles]

hey joe.... let's throw a different spin on this.... just for shits and giggles


replace the university with Howard, the lacrosse team with the football team, and make the strippers white..... white America would run with that shit so fucking far that it's not even funny

now let's stop all this speculation and let the prosecutor do his job and what comes out will hopefully be the truth

[phatboy]

Howard has a football team?

[Joeslogic]

now let's stop all this speculation and let the prosecutor do his job and what comes out will hopefully be the truth


Amen to that idea! Now will you please tell the news media to get out the other side of the story?

In your scenario there would be frenzy for sure. I think there would be more balance though.

During the Kobe trial for instance I defended him because of the not so publicized extenuating circumstance.

Fact is the Black community is being stirred up. The terrible and atrocious problem has been aired to them and they know what they (the black community) have to do. Just pawns in a game by the same people they look to as allies.

[smiles]

i don't know joe i don't see media conspiracy you do.......... black peoples main problem with the justice system is that they don't see it as fair, i visit a site related to hip-hop and i see the things people say and the thing they're most concerned about is an honest belief that if those had been black athletes that someone would've immediately been arrested and charged and that the school would've been forced to cooperate


and as you say that in my scenario there would be more balance..... it would only be so because of the very "bleeding heart liberals" you're always trashing..... all of the hardcore conservative racists would be out forming lynch mobs


E.G. i don't have the link anymore but recently two white men beat to death and sodomized a hispanic youth with a pipe, poured bleach all over the body and the pipe..... and left him to die....... for kissing a 12 year old white girl at a party....... if the media were really out to motivate minorities you don't think they would’ve jumped all over that story?

[diogenes]

Joe doesn't take evidence like that into account. It's much to damaging to the fragile platform he bases his politics on.

[Joeslogic]

black peoples main problem with the justice system is that they don't see it as fair,

Very true and this belief is perpetuated by the media. Rodnry Kink and the LA riots are a good example of this.

[diogenes]

That's funny, because you're ignoring the O.J. trial.

[Joeslogic]

The O.J. trial is so obvious, I really do not want to even bring it up.

[smiles]

inequalities in the system are mostly downplayed by the media...... racial profiling is a real police tactic, that is undeniable

[Joeslogic]

Racial profiling that's a tough one. On one hand it can be a self fulfilling prophecy. To that extent it is absolutely wrong. On the other hand for example airport screening. There is an example of where racial profiling should be used the reason is simply to provide for the safety of the country. Now that is a politically incorrect but true statement. But before you get yourself all worked up. Think about it for a second its true.

[pimpchichi]

yeah man.. gotta check all those chinks for sars!!

[ucicare]

What if we ride the women and posses the horses?

.......that would be Southern Conference Football.


Barry

[XerxesX]

Quote:
black peoples main problem with the justice system is that they don't see it as fair,


Nobody sees the justicesystem as fair. It keeps a certain check on things though.
But seriously. With six bill peop pop, and more popping up all the time, its about time to drop the stratagem of humanitarian aid and all these "rights" for everybody. Let the poor people "get rich, or die trying", as that contemporary rolemodel-substitute put it.

[Joeslogic]

True but at least from my perspective in my country no one has had this natural and in many ways healthy insecurity exploited like the black race has.

[XerxesX]

Do you mean to say that they exploit the natural and in many ways healthy insecurity , or that they are exploited ?

[Joeslogic]

I mean it is healthy to an extent to be suspicious. As a group they are beyond that point and yes are being exploited.

[XerxesX]

And now it seems that you say that the prime reason for exploitation is a preset distrust of the system ? Not systemic malevolence. Thats positive !

[Joeslogic]

Kind of but not really. This distrust is the tool used to exploit the black race, and that in and of itself is systemic malevolence.

[Dwaine Scum]

(reposted from another forum i frequent, I just posted this there)
I decided to put this here, because I'm sure it will be a heated topic, they announce (the defense team) that the new DNA results, proved the accuser have had sex that night in question. He also said, it proves that no Duke Lacrosse player have had contact with her, and the DNA tests match a profile on criminal record. It was found vaginally, from a person who was not at the party. So this woman has RUINED these kids life. No matter they are innocent, they will always be labeled "rapists". What is fair? I think the accuser should be announced PUBLICLY and ridiculed. I think the players should sue D.A. Nifong, and the accuser for slander, and wrongful arrest and prosecution. Possibly punitive damages for psychiatric problems? I mean being accused of something you didn't do is stressful enough, but facing rape charges, being expelled from school, and facing life in prison is tough.

Now me personally, I think the guys had a party, and they degraded the accuser, and possibly called her racial terms, so she made up the rape thing just to get even. Then got caught in the firestorm of media, to the point she couldn't turn back...

Anyway its destroyed lives, careers, and families...

Anyone else's thoughts?

[Joeslogic]

That’s exactly how I picture it happened and about the same sentiments I have about what should be done now.

I agree there is a reason why she did what she did it wasn't a thing that was not provoked.

I think the provocation happened in the form of racial slurs. I think there were a bunch of drunken players in the room and the attitudes went across the whole spectrum.

I understand there was one black player and I'm fairly certain he was the one interviewed in private by the black reporter my intuition tells me that. If there were blatant racial slurs and he was at the party (and I'm not sure he was) then I believe he would have pointed that out.
I believe from the point of view of the dancer she was emotionally in a very vulnerable situation even if all it was were a few sneers and off color remarks by the two individuals that were mainly accused. It could trigger this type of reaction from her.
I think it was probably worse than that though. These days what is viewed as cool and in would be those two guys with the brash NE attitudes you know what I’m talking about "Damn man I can't believe he said that" kind of attitude. They said something to the extent of "Get this skank bitch out of my face!" When she danced in their vicinity. Or "Damn dude where did you get your dancers was it (insert name of local street where hookers hang out) street?"
I think when this was said several of the other players actually felt uncomfortable thinking to themselves “That’s not cool the chick is standing right there” “How terribly insensitive” Something they could have verbally said instead of just thought. Instead just to add insult to injury they laughed and egged it on.

[Dwaine Scum]

Well, Nifong, used a email as "daming evidence" (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke5.html) that was sent before the party, and trust me, i have said worse shit about strippers joking on this site...

[Joeslogic]

I'm no lawyer and understand that that was written text but I believe it should not be admissible in court. For two reasons.

1. Its like hearsay this could to be proved to be by him actually, (minor argument against)

2. This is more proof in my mind that there was not foul play and misrepresented to the court by the prosecution for the sake of grandstanding. No one who legitimately intended to gang rape as accused would implicate themselves. (major argument against)

This is just typical of this day and time, so called dark humor speak (to legitimize it in term) much as we see here on Fuglyforums.

[Dwaine Scum]

yeah it sucks, I mean no matter what these giuys do, they will always have the stigma of "Rapist" on there backs... Just because they stiffed a stripper... I personally think she should be expelled from central, vor causing a racially motivated protest, between duke and NC central... NC central is a shithole btw

[Joeslogic]

Being a stripper unfortunately put her in a bad position to be exploited and that I do believe happened. So for that reason I feel sorry. But the way she tried to get revenge was worse. I guess the term "Hell hath no fury" accurately applies in this case but it looks like the truth is finally coming out as it tends to eventually.

The guys will be screwed with the stigma even if they are found innocent. Maybe to some extent at least some deserve it though. That I cannot say because I was not there.

[Joeslogic]

The Shock personality cult in action. Its cool it’s popular it generates money!

You do not have to be brave, courageous, (although the implication is that you do) honesty basically any of the positive socially good virtues. Except maybe wit and creativity. Say "shocking" things and be an instant star, get your own show be a popular DJ. Eventually where does it take you though?


http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/8955

http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001845.html#more

[Joeslogic]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=69094b2d-925e-4195-8f8a-a62519c35f54&f=00&fg=copy

Listen to the third defendant make a public statement

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=2ecc7b8d-392c-45ab-814d-85a25d30adc6&f=00&fg=copy

An analysis

[Joeslogic]

Filing: Second dancer called allegations a 'crock' (http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/448437.html)

The proof finally comes out but all the hatred has already been stirred up. The people have already put their angry faces on and division set in. When will they ever learn how they are manipulated by the hand that feeds them with someone else’s food?

[Joeslogic]

Accuser had sex with at least four men and sexual device before party... (http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-742621.html)

[diogenes]

Who the fuck cares. No one gives a shit.

[Joeslogic]

Thats the point noone cares except that on a false pretense the level of hatred between blacks and whites was hightened to a frenzy for no reason. Its called drive by media its the technique they use these days. And for years I sit around just observing and saying nothing while it all goes to shit. The road to repair of race relationships between blacks and whites started in the late 60's. The left has harnesses Black apprenension and leveraged it to an advantage. They cannot afford to let the hatred die its a tool.

Warning I'm extreamly intoxicated right now so if you think I've been an ass lately and lost my tact your exactly correct I have but fuck it its what I think.

[diogenes]

Except for most black people didn't care either.

[Ferine]

Who the fuck cares. No one gives a shit.
No one cares now. Now that more evidence to the contrary has surfaced. There's still a trial forthcoming. I'll wait for it....

[Joeslogic]

Except for most black people didn't care either.

I guess living in SoCal I understand to an extent. But I from the South born and raised I love this area. However when sensational drive by reports come out like this you can feel the racial tension in the air like electricity. I do not mean this as an insult just a fact:

Your out of touch Dio.

[diogenes]

Hence the reason I stay out of the south Joe. Hell, the south is full of people who think that "The South Will Rise Again". I've always wondered what exactly they were going to rise against, but I'm just a liberal hippie from California.

[TheStreaker1337]

So I'm to understand that liberal hippie, and a guy with perhaps a little too much time to read the paper are debating ethics? I'll fit right in.

I think if there was a stripper, or a prostitute, or whatever she was, went to a party full of men who engage in predominantly malicious activity for sport didn't think she was in for a ride, she therefore deserved what she got by default.

TheStreaker

[Joeslogic]

That brings to mind that Jodie Foster movie that caused me and Terri to have one of our first major arguements. Cause I said she was asking for it. Damn I cannot remember the movie name.

[diogenes]

I think it was Nell.

[Joeslogic]

Nah Nell was the retart movie.

The Accused (1988) From there Internet Movie Database

This movie is based on actual events. Sarah Tobias goes into a bar one night and winds up being gang raped by 3 guys. She is introduced to an attorney named Katherine Murphy. Not only does Katherine Murphy want to go after the men who commited the rape, she wants to go after the men in the bar who cheered it on. But Katherine has her work cut out for her. Her client has a past, and that past could be used against her in court.

Very controversial here is a trailer

http://videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=1806

[Ferine]

I'm from the south. Anyone who believes "the south will rise again" with an even population of blacks and an even higher population of hispanics are way out of touch. There may be some stragglers who actually still believe this, but seriously, the vast majority of white people in the south have accepted their place in the melting pot. Anyone who believes differently obviously hasn't lived in the south for any period of time.

[Joeslogic]

No doubt I guess that came from the Charlie Daniels "Souths gonna do it again" song? If you listen to the words you can see he is basically talking about the fact that allmost all the popular bands at the time were from the south. Maybe the Ole Miss mascot thing none of that ment to be taken seriously. Hold on maybe Dio was not serious?

[diogenes]

Of course I was serious. I would never make a sarcastic statement here in fuglyforums. :roll:

[Joeslogic]

I’m just sitting here trying to figure out how to take that Dio. Seems dangerously close to sarcasm I'll assume directed at me and not the fair and lovely Ferine. :x

[diogenes]

Mount up, I feel a dual may be at hand for the defense of Ferine's honor. Prepare to do battle with that Kosher dong.

[Joeslogic]

Hehe I do not even want to try to picture this.

Hey whats up with Smurf? He's a smartass I know but did he go over the line or something? What have you herd?

[diogenes]

The soothing sound of silence from that particular camp of insanity. I don't know if Jefe did anything with his account and I'm not really in a position to speculate, but I'll take any break I can get from constant end of the world threads.

[Joeslogic]

Well I gotta worry maybe someone could get mad that I caap rambling on that The Marines involved in Haditha are innocent (http://fuglyforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=8210)

[diogenes]

Somebody has to argue with you. Otherwise what would you do here?

[Joeslogic]

I'd be in trouble I think.

*Franticlly searches for a new forum that will put up with his shit*

I've been sitting on a new thread about how the media is obsessing on ~50 minutes as if some miracle occurred, and some shit bag is bigger than life.

[diogenes]

Now I'm completely lost.

[Joeslogic]

You were supposed to figure that one out maybe its just me thinking the media is obsessing.

Zarkowi and 100 thousand news headlines obsessing over his final minutes.

[diogenes]

That will blow over. Think about how much coverage it would get if it had been Osama Bin Laden? His final minutes would be plastered everywhere, because people would want to know about it. Did it hurt? How did he die? Did he suffer or not? I personally couldn't care less, but some people do. Just wait for the Weekly World News headlines, also the National Enquirer will probably have some good stuff.

[Joeslogic]

Yeah just seems like their pandering to the Muslim extreamist to once again try to make him mystical. "Amazing superhuman still alive after blast" you know.

But your right I think I gotta at least think that.

[diogenes]

I don't know what the middle eastern media is putting out about it, I haven't really been following what's going on with Al-Jazeera in this specific case. But I don't think Al-Jazeera was all that big of a fan of him or Osama Bin Laden, since they both accused Al-Jazeera of pandering to the west.

[TheStreaker1337]

Al-Jazeera sounds like the name of an emo band. I don't like it. Ban them.

TheStreaker

[diogenes]

Emo? They use their AFI CD's to cut their own wrists. It's pretty hard core, and they have the scars to prove it.

[TheStreaker1337]

If only I could get Shannon to get that depressed, then I could assume the superhero role and save her. Then I could ravage her for a week or so, and then move onto her sister. =-D

TheStreaker

[diogenes]

I don't know that it would be worth it. Although I did learn something today. If I'm drinking cheap vodka I need to have a box of Cheerios handy for in the morning. Those really helped.

[TheStreaker1337]

We should write them a thank you letter,

"To whom this may concern,

We have found your product to be an amazing cure for the common side effects of late night binge drinking. We would like to thank you for doing your part in our community.

Best of wishes,
Local A.A. #7"

You in or what?

TheStreaker

[diogenes]

Only if they send me a toy with my proof of purchase.

[TheStreaker1337]

So you're in then. Good.

TheStreaker

[Joeslogic]

the second stripper told police early in their investigation that the accuser was out of her sight for only five minutes that night and that her allegations were a “crock.”

The defense team claims that prosecutors omitted Roberts' statement when they received a judge's authorization to obtain photographs and DNA samples from team members.

but that she did perform for a couple in a hotel room in which she danced and used a sex toy on herself.

They have also said DNA tests showed material recovered from the victim matched a single male source who was not a member of the team.

if the district attorney doesn't have anything except the alleged victim's statement, he may be in violation of ethics and liable to be the subject of a disbarment case for allowing the case to go forward

Meanwhile, the second exotic dancer, Kim Roberts, has credibility problems. She subsequently changed her story when it was revealed she's facing criminal charges in an unrelated case. There have been accusations leveled againt Nifong that he made a deal with Roberts in exchange for her testimony should the case go to trial.

Forensic experts assert that the vaginal swelling could have occurred during the accuser's use of "sex toys" earlier that evening when she performed in a hotel room for a "couple." The lawyers also say the accuser told a nurse who examined her that she was not choked and that no condoms were used by her attackers.

At the time, the nurse was in training to specialize as an examiner of sexual assault victims. Lawyers said they filed the documents under seal to protect the accuser's privacy, but asked a judge to make them public.
(http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/15220.html)

Looks like a prosecutor should be fired and his license taken or disbarred as they say so that he cannot practice corrupt law again.

[TheStreaker1337]

Wow... you mean a female that sells her body for money, and for the entertainment of others, would take a chance at going to court where she could make more money, and get on TV? Really... I was unaware that such a thing could happen in a country where we make gun laws that take away guns from people who should own them, and only create more illegal gun owners. I'm shocked an apalled...

TheStreaker

[diogenes]

I figured the trial would eventually hash out the truth. No need to go jumping to conclusions. That's what we have Joe around for.

[Joeslogic]

Wow... you mean a female that sells her body for money, and for the entertainment of others, would take a chance at going to court where she could make more money, and get on TV? Really... I was unaware that such a thing could happen in a country where we make gun laws that take away guns from people who should own them, and only create more illegal gun owners. I'm shocked an apalled...

So true and so sad

I figured the trial would eventually hash out the truth. No need to go jumping to conclusions. That's what we have Joe around for.

I see the future :shock: and its often ugly.

[Joeslogic]

Lab chief: Nifong said don't report all DNA data Testimony reveals that lab testing that could have been favorable to defendants in the Duke lacrosse case was omitted from a report and was not disclosed to the defense
(http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/522112.html)

This artical pussyfoots all around the actual point which is that the stripper had dna in the form of sperm all over her panties from several males and none were of the Duke Lacross team. But here it is none the less


Joseph Neff, Benjamin Niolet and Anne Blythe, Staff Writers
The head of a private DNA laboratory testified Friday that he and District Attorney Mike Nifong agreed last spring not to report DNA results favorable to Duke lacrosse players charged with rape.
The testimony of DNA Security director Brian Meehan could create difficulties inside and outside the courtroom for Nifong. The district attorney did not challenge Meehan's testimony, but he said after court that he did not withhold evidence. He said the defense could have asked for that material all along.

North Carolina law requires Nifong to hand over all evidence regardless of whether it has been requested. The sanctions for violating this law could include a dismissal of all charges against the three players.

Friday's testimony also will provide grist for those calling for Nifong to be disciplined or prosecuted. A North Carolina congressman recently asked the FBI to investigate the case. And the N.C. State Bar has received a number of complaints calling for Nifong to be disciplined for his public comments condemning the lacrosse players and for directing a police photo identification lineup that violated Durham Police Department policies.

"I tell you, the more you hear about his missteps, the more you have to question whether it's purely a matter of incompetence or worse," said James E. Coleman, a law professor at Duke University who has been critical of Nifong.

In court Friday, Meehan said his lab found DNA from unidentified men in the underwear and body of the woman who said she was gang-raped at a lacrosse party in March. Nurses at Duke Hospital collected her underwear and samples from her body a few hours after the alleged assault. Meehan said the DNA did not come from Reade Seligmann, David Evans, or Collin Finnerty, who have been charged with rape and sexual assault in the case.

Privacy concerns

Meehan struggled to say why he didn't include the evidence in a report dated May 12, almost a month after Seligmann and Finnerty had been indicted. Under pointed questioning by defense lawyer Bradley Bannon, Meehan cited concerns about the privacy of the lacrosse players, the fact that he didn't know whose DNA it was, and his discussions with Nifong at meetings in his Burlington lab.

"Had Mr. Nifong said, 'We want a report on everything,' that is what we would produce," Meehan said.

"You violated the protocols of your own lab," Bannon said.

"Correct ... I don't have a legal explanation for it," Meehan said. "I was just trying to do the right thing."

A standing-room only crowd packed a small courtroom. Reporters and bloggers stood along the walls, friends and family of the accused filled the seats, and a half-dozen lacrosse players and other Duke students sat in the jury box.

The three defendants sat at the table with their legal teams, the first time the former teammates -- Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md.; Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J. -- have been in court together. Charged with rape, kidnapping and sexual offense, they have said that they are innocent and that the accusations are lies.

In April, Meehan told a Durham police investigator that his firm was eager to be involved in the case, according to the investigator's notes. Friday's hearing was not a good advertisement.

Besides acknowledging breaking his own rules, Meehan said he didn't keep logs of phone calls, e-mail messages or notes of meetings. And he failed to report in May that a tiny bit of his own DNA, perhaps a single cell, had probably contaminated one piece of evidence.

"This goes to the credibility of your lab, correct?" Bannon asked.

"Absolutely," Meehan replied.

Not a single cell

After Bannon questioned Meehan for 90 minutes, one of Seligmann's attorneys, Jim Cooney of Charlotte, spent about 10 minutes getting Meehan to summarize his testimony.

"You didn't find anything from Reade Seligmann anywhere in any of those tests," Cooney said. "Not even a single cell?"

"Correct," said Meehan, who then acknowledged the same was true for Finnerty and Evans.

Seligmann and Finnerty had been indicted weeks before your May 12 report, Cooney said. If Meehan wrote in the report that Seligmann was excluded, how would that violate his privacy?

"It was a failed attempt to provide a minimal amount of information to the public," Meehan said. "Maybe it could have been done better."

Intentional decision

Cooney continued: Did Nifong and his investigators know the results of all the DNA tests?

"I believe so," Meehan said.

"Did they know the test results excluded Reade Seligmann?" Cooney asked.

"I believe so," Meehan said.

Was the failure to report these results the intentional decision of Meehan and the district attorney? Cooney asked.

"Yes," Meehan replied.

At that answer, several people in the courtroom clapped. Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III warned the crowd to be quiet or leave.

Throughout much of Meehan's questioning, Nifong sat slumped forward in his chair, resting his face on one hand or leaning his chin on folded hands.

When his turn came, Nifong was brief in questioning Meehan. The scientist acknowledged that his report was less than the full truth.

"Did you intend to put in less than the full truth?" Nifong asked. "Did anyone ever tell you to conceal or hide any of your results?" "Did anyone ever tell you who you were supposed to come up with results of, who we wanted you to pick?"

No, Meehan replied each time.

At the beginning of Friday's hearing, Nifong made a statement that differed from Meehan's subsequent testimony:

"The first I had heard of this particular situation was when I was served with this particular motion" on Wednesday, Nifong told the judge.

After court, Nifong amended his remarks and said he knew about the DNA results.

"And we were trying to, just as Dr. Meehan said, trying to avoid dragging any names through the mud but at the same time his report made it clear that all the information was available if they wanted it and they have every word of it," Nifong said.

[Dwaine Scum]

Luckily, Nifong is being investigated by the NC bar today. to bad those three kids lives are fucked forever, and all they did was humiliate a hooker.

[MAJ Havoc]

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/sports/17062135.htm

[ucicare]

Anyone think that Al Sharpton owes the three guys an apology?

[MAJ Havoc]

Instead of a scholarsip to the accuser, Jesse Jackson might help with the legal fees that these guys had to shell to be vindicated.

[Joeslogic]

How Long will Democrats and the Media continue to enable Sharpton and Jackson
(http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/LorieByrd/2007/04/13/how_long_will_democrats_and_the_media_continue_to_ enable_sharpton_and_jackson)