Flight 93 gets blasted

[smurfslappa]

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

So the movie came out, and all the conspiracy theorists start hitting up Universal's message boards just cutting down all the bullshit that's stacked up in the official story.

Mysteriously, the entire board was whiped clean and this message was on it:
We apologize for the removal of the message boards - due to technical difficulties all previous threads have been inadvertantly deleted. We invite you to renew your dialog and discuss your thoughts on the film.

HAHAHA, they just trashed it all and tried to whipe the slate clean, but all the conspiracy theorists kept on coming back and stacked up all the evidence again. I give them Kudos for that.

[phatboy]

Its like Smurfs family tree has their own forum now. That board is full of so much pooh it is sad.

[Joeslogic]

Did anyone really not see it coming though? The conspiracy theorist was bound to break away from their shroom enhanced Halo play to get in on that forum assault.

[phatboy]

Im thinking of going over and posting a thread that says that the Feds are registering their IPs and will be contacting them shortly to discuss their theories.

[Joeslogic]

The next conspiracy…. "This is not true this is one of GW's henchmen sent out here to scare us away but it's not going to work! We know Dubya orchestrated all of this and were going to prove it... come to think of it this is proof in and of itself he is trying to obstruct the truth!"

[phatboy]

There is a guy arguing that all the images of the planes crashing into the WTC is actually a hologram and CGI. LOL. I tell you what, those guys are on some serious shit. LOL.

[smurfslappa]

Seriously! Everyone should know by now that they were remote controlled aircraft, not some stupid holograms. Some people hurt the movement more than they help it by spreading that crap.

[phatboy]

So they remote controlled four planes into various areas of the northeast and wrecked them into the buildings? And the people on the planes were just collateral damage?

What was the point of all this elaborate scheme?

[smurfslappa]

"Gotta keep 'em separated."

To get us involved in this war and then get the Muslims hating Christians and white people. White people hate Blacks, illegal immigrants, and Muslims. Muslims hate the first worlders, white people, and Christians.

This end of the world is gonna be one big melting pot of hate, but it's a favorable alternative to just letting us get together and figure out our past and the secrets of the Universe.

[smiles]

actuallllly phatboy if you want to get technical NO bodies or parts there of were ever discovered at either the pentagon or the 93 crash site....... the only two wreckages in history to leave no physical evidnece of dead people

[smurfslappa]

That's awesome. The trade centers were also the first sky scrapers in history to collapse due to fire.

[phatboy]

The towers collapsed, not because of fire, but because two big ass planes were crashed into them. If the fire had started in the basement and worked its way up, it wouldnt have fallen, the fact that the planes compromised the structural integrity of the building is why the heat aided in its collapse. I also read some of their ideas on 'explosives planted' to cause the towers to fall. Uh, thats why it slowly collapsed one floor at a time until the weight of the collapsed floors caused the next floor to collapse.

It's like the empty coke can. You can stand on it, but have one of your friends thump it, swoosh, down it goes.

So if there were no bodies, then where are the people? Was it an Oceanic flight?

And I am guessing the 93 attack was planned by the government, but it wasnt enough to get the public willing to go to war? Or all the embassy and base bombings around the world?

I dont think Islamic people need much to hate christians. I am pretty sure they all ready did.

[smiles]

most Muslims dont hate Christians.... just like most Christians don't hate Muslims, it's just that most of the world dislikes the US..... America and Christianity are not synonymous……

religion doesn’t cause wars my friend…. People who stand to profit from conflicts can’t stir hatred for someone with similarities….. so they use the differences regardless how trivial they may be (skin color, religion, political affiliation, ethnicity, gender) to set groups apart and recruit people to their cause by claiming the other side wicked based on an irrelevant characteristic

[phatboy]

WWII - Hitler wasnt religously motivated?

The crusades?

All the fighting in Africa?

All the fighting in Iraq, just between diffrent sects of a religon?

There has been more wars fought over religon than anything else.

[smiles]

phatboy review that list for a second time please and tell me if those wars were ACTULLLLY about religion or if religion was used as an excuse?

Hitler wasn't religiously motivated.... he used the jews as a scapegoat for all of germany’s troubles, it's not that his own profound religious beliefs were in conflict with those of the jews so he decided to decimate them...... he firstly united the people against a common foe.... in this case the Jew and thus won over their loyalty..... his real intention…. Hitler threw people of all religions into concentration camps so i don't even know why you brought this one up

the crusades: just an excuse for the European kings to validate their plundering....... remember the old crusaders motto.... kill them all, if they were good then they'll go to heaven and it'll be better for them and if they're not we've served our purpose.... does that sound like someone fighting for religious principles?

Fighting in Africa + Iraq: once again.... politics..... tribal leaders trying to gather support the only way they know how emphasizing the enemies differences, none of it is really about religion, the goal isn't to convert heathens or unite everyone under one god, it's a power struggle over land and resources, except its easier to recruit soldiers in such a struggle through hateful propaganda then telling them that they're dying for someone else’s political aspirations

[phatboy]

But, when the groups at war are of different religons or sects of a religon it is motivated by that. Not saying, hey were killing you cause you are a jew, isnt different from just doing it and then saying that it wasnt a reason for the war.

In Iraq the Sunnis and Shiites are still fighting, maybe not to the death, but they sure are bombing the hell of each other.

But that is a different story.



So do you think that the punishment handed down to Masoui (fuck I know I cant spell) was enough?

[chester grape]

But, when the groups at war are of different religons or sects of a religon it is motivated by that.

Not true. Mostly, as I've mused before, it's to do with land. The Palestinians aren't fighting with the Israelis over religion, they just want them to get the fuck off "their" territory.

And you can't tell me the war between the US and Iraq was/is a religious one, despite the fact that it was/is essentially Christians vs Muslims.

[diogenes]

Religion is an excuse for land grabs. You think the Janjaweed in Sudan is really slaughtering Darfurians because they're Christians?

[pimpchichi]

And you can't tell me the war between the US and Iraq was/is a religious one, despite the fact that it was/is essentially Christians vs Muslims.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

[Joeslogic]

Israel is mostly a land grab issue there is a fraction of religion mixed in. Muslims, Christians, Jews lived side by side for years maybe not in absolute peace but to a great extent. But religion is just another tool like class warfare that is used.

Islam -vs- US in my opinion is predominantly a class warfare issue with religion mixed in. Just my opinion I know you must have been anxiously waiting.

[smurfslappa]

That's why your opinions suck Joe. I see it quickly becoming a religious issue and that's all it'll be about when things really kick off.

[smiles]

smurf all i have to say is WOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSH.....

and joe i don't think it's US vs islam.... i see it as: US best interests vs the best interests of whoever else, American politicians wouldn;t hesitate to bomb any colour or creed of man to get what they want even when they have so much

[Joeslogic]

and joe i don't think it's US vs islam.... i see it as: US best interests vs the best interests of whoever else, American politicians wouldn;t hesitate to bomb any colour or creed of man to get what they want even when they have so much


There you go Smiles tell us what you really think. Because it really makes you look stupid.

Smurf it will likely get to that eventually but I would not be to sure. It’s more likely that religion gets blamed for all things bad and becomes "politically incorrect" it’s a slow process where from there more government laws are written slowly tightening down on religious freedom. Meanwhile the Muslim countries will switch from whatever their government style is to theocracy and forbid all religions but specifically Islam.

As for my opinion sucks...Don't read it :wink:

[smiles]

so joe... america wouldn't bomb a christian country? the christian countries america has bombed don't have people who would like to see american politicians suffer just as badly as people from muslim countries do? please..... my stupidity...... specify

[XerxesX]

Christian vs Muslem monotheistic repressive systems

Oilconsuming vs oilproducing conglomerates

Developed secularized rule vs primitive myth-rule

Degenerate depopulation vs vibrant population surplus

Caspar Weinbergers qute smile and brilliant analysis vs
Henry Kissingers newlydone curls and shiniest glasses.

Peanutbutter and jello on white toast will beat that pita anyday

Thanks to the gods that we are in safe hands :twisted:

[XerxesX]

Smiles ! The bombing of the serbs was as such just a prelude to bombing the arab muslem backward poor ones. The serbs were just the christians available that most resembled muslems. A dry run, so to say :wink: And it gives the line of: "Its not the MUSLEMS we are bombing".

Culturally, the serbs were caught on the wrong side of the Austrian-Turkish border.

[XerxesX]

And in truth: If it were the muslems that were targeted, the USairforce could easily implement a total colapse in infrastructure. All the way from Karthoum to Teheran.

It could cut down on the production of cute educationals :wink:

[Joeslogic]

You paying attention Smiles?

[smurfslappa]

You're forgetting that this is a very delicate process, turning Christians against Muslims and vice versa. Should anything ever look too fucked up, the people will quickly unite against the common enemy: hate, and the apocalypse it will bring.

[smiles]

You paying attention Smiles?



joe is your comment in reference to xerx post? which part specifically? you seem always elude to a point but never really make one.... kindly specify if you have something meaningful to contribute.... otherwise quit jeering from the stands


xerx i now america could destroy the infrastructure of all muslim nations, which is another point that supports my claim that this isn't a US vs Islam war, destroying muslim nations doesn’t fit their plans, it's not profitable, this isn’t a religious war they've just gone after a goal they can capitalize off of...... demonizing the enemy in the media by warping his persona is a tactic the west has known well since WW1


and with relation to the whole reason for destroying Yugo had to do with them being able to later say that they do support islam in other parts of the world…… wouldn’t that mean that they’ve been planning something along the lines of this current bullshit since at least 91?

[diogenes]

So what you're saying is that the Christian nations of the world will be pitted against the Muslim nations of the world? So eventually we're going to have a full scale conflict including all christian and Muslim nations? Sounds highly unlikely. I don't see Brazil getting involved in a conflict against the United Arab Emirates and Dubai. If anything if there is another "world war" and it is fought in the middle east it will be the Capitalist west vs. the Petro-dictatorships of the middle east. Religion is merely a premise used for stirring up the masses in the middle east. Terrorism is the adhesive that is being used to solidify the west. I don't see this turning into all out unlimited warfare though. All sides have too much to lose from such a conflict.

[Joeslogic]

Smiles

You’re forgetting that it was the US that was provoked here with the current conflict. As for the Yugo war against Milosevic I won't argue you on that point you are correct. Clinton should not have got US involved in that Clinton truly is a walking talking shitbag. Notice though that you will never hear anything negative about him in your press also where were these peace protesters you see now during the Clinton administration?



smurf all i have to say is WOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSH.....

and joe i don't think it's US vs islam.... i see it as: US best interests vs the best interests of whoever else, American politicians wouldn;t hesitate to bomb any colour or creed of man to get what they want even when they have so much

Where am I supposed to start? That was stupid plain and simple and it points out your bias. We were provoked multiple times from terrorist group no specific country. These terrorists groups attacked US embassies tried to take out buildings before the twin towers at 911. So why don't you just jump in bed with Smurf and his idea that the "Shadow" government orchestrated all of this in order to have an excuse to get oil.

[XerxesX]

I think this is where Nursey got pissed and left the ballgame. Without a central conspiracy the analysis fragments. I like conspiracy-theories myself. They hold central info on belief.

I believe future muslem scholars will view the politics of Islam in the 1950-200? as a tragedy. All those mujaheddins wasted on the altar of spilt blood.

And the same goes with Jugoslavia. Nobody "plotted" the downfall of the federation. Even blaming it all on Tito, ( Though understandable ), is an intellectual defaitism. And blaming ONE ethnic group ? I MEt a few serbs back before all that jazz. Haughty and proud warriors are not the best diplomats.

In the humanities the opposite scientific rule applies. Its never the easiest solution

[XerxesX]

And yes. The wars that are, and will come, are all about resource-alocation. No matter the war-paint.

[smurfslappa]

I don't see this turning into all out unlimited warfare though. All sides have too much to lose from such a conflict.

It will be because we've lost so much that it turns into an all out war. You'll see things sliding downhill soon enough. Everybody will be scrambling for their piece of the pie, and with all of our awesome first world equipment, we'll get more than our fair share. This is when the Muslims/third worlders see us for the evil that we are, and attack us.

There'll be a few obvious signs that God is pissed with all of us, which'll direct all that rage everyone will have to be feeling by then. Some powerful lightning storms and earthquakes and millions of people dying from cancer when the food shortages begin and BAM, you have all the signs that those crazy Muslims will need that God is angry with us for raping his children.

[XerxesX]

There is a big and beautiful network of gringoes and sympathisersall around the world. They ,( We ), are despised, feared and admired. The cutest chicks all dig it

Smurf: Its not collapse, its assimilation into the genetic plethora of the world. 8)