Joeslogic = Perfect sense

[Nursey]

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[XerxesX]

Maybe the cult of christianity with its unrealistic goals of human developement neccesitates the level of lingual ambiguity :lol:

I am reading Wallersteins "Africa, the politics of independence". In its chapter; Hero and Party, the creation of the myth of the leader is explained very well. One feature of the leader is his populist base and his anti-intellectualism.
This role seems to be important in human society. Myth is a creating factor in society. To a certain extent, one can demystify ones society, but the myth of pure reason. Unadulterated truth etc. Its just another myth :(

[Nursey]

I think these are personally written for Joe. :)

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[Joeslogic]

The conservatives have been talking about the media problem since before the war. So their goes that one out the window.

Do you think honestly that the Insurgents pay no attention to the news media and reaction to the news?

[chester grape]

The conservatives have been talking about the media problem since before the war. So their goes that one out the window.

Do you think honestly that the Insurgents pay no attention to the news media and reaction to the news?

To me, this displays an astonishing ability to read everything without absorbing anything.

[Nursey]

Do you think honestly that the Insurgents pay no attention to the news media and reaction to the news?

Err...so what are you saying? Hold on...it's something along these lines, isn't it?

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[Joeslogic]

Since nobody seems to be paying attention to your rhetoric from your Anti-American website. I might as well bring it into the limelight again for you think of it as a sympathy post.

I'll give it to you in a nutshell Nursey, we live in a large country and have a military that is quite large also. I don't know the exact figures but just to take the Army alone you have ~500000 active with more than that in reserve duty. if you had just .01 percent of that group you would have 5000. You have been on the internet you see how it works just go and do a Google image search for what ever freakish weird shit you want to find and you will see enough people to give the impression that a far larger percentage of the population are freaks.

The democrats know this and I can tell you what their strategy is and that is to exploit to the maximum extent the military freaks they can round up. The carrot lure will be notoriety, respect. Any war veteran who will step forward and denounce the Iraqi war will be catapulted to hero status immediately. The media? Well surprise surprise the media will follow the same pattern they always have and that is to expend the maximum amount of "believability" capital as permitted to assist the Dems in advancing propaganda against the war their by assisting the terrorists.

What’s good for the terrorists is good for the Dems so long at Bush is in office and the Reps hold the house.

To write a shitass cartoon predicting it is no rocket science. Neither does predicting that the Reps would say something about it make the truth any less convincing even for your types out who tout the same bullshit cause you hate our country just like the terrorists.

[chester grape]

Since nobody seems to be paying attention to your rhetoric from your Anti-American website. I might as well bring it into the limelight again for you think of it as a sympathy post.

I'll give it to you in a nutshell Nursey, we live in a large country and have a military that is quite large also. I don't know the exact figures but just to take the Army alone you have ~500000 active with more than that in reserve duty. if you had just .01 percent of that group you would have 5000. You have been on the internet you see how it works just go and do a Google image search for what ever freakish weird shit you want to find and you will see enough people to give the impression that a far larger percentage of the population are freaks.

The democrats know this and I can tell you what their strategy is and that is to exploit to the maximum extent the military freaks they can round up. The carrot lure will be notoriety, respect. Any war veteran who will step forward and denounce the Iraqi war will be catapulted to hero status immediately. The media? Well surprise surprise the media will follow the same pattern they always have and that is to expend the maximum amount of "believability" capital as permitted to assist the Dems in advancing propaganda against the war their by assisting the terrorists.

What’s good for the terrorists is good for the Dems so long at Bush is in office and the Reps hold the house.

To write a shitass cartoon predicting it is no rocket science. Neither does predicting that the Reps would say something about it make the truth any less convincing even for your types out who tout the same bullshit cause you hate our country just like the terrorists.

Gee, with the media on side it's amazing the Democrats ever got voted out of office.

[diogenes]

Are you attempting to engage Joe in rational political debate, I thougth all of us new better by now. It's like talking about the weather with Smurf, you just don't do it.

[chester grape]

It's like an itchy scab. You know you shouldn't pick at it ...

[diogenes]

Then wear mittens.

[chester grape]

Like so?

http://www.weirdspot.com/images/uploads/fallcoming.jpg

[diogenes]

See, it's working. She's clearly not itching any scabs, is she?

[Nursey]

Aaargh...ok, ok...just one more and then i'll leave it alone!

Since nobody seems to be paying attention to your rhetoric from your Anti-American website.


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*skritch...skritch* :oops:

[diogenes]

I thought that Penguin was a republican?

[Lomotil]

Look out... Asian chick... Schmed'll be in here soon... :D

[diogenes]

huh?

[Nursey]

I thought that Penguin was a republican?

No, that's the one with the bib and bow tie.

[diogenes]

It's all so clear now.

[XerxesX]

The cartoons are nice. Nice gold-age touch and all. Does not leave a lot of parlamentary room though.
Again. The parralell to Afrika in the 1960s is striking. The strong leader and the transition to modernity.
No matter how many camels Bush has hidden in the closet. Anyone that want to solve some of the puzzles of human behaviour, and create a future society to live in will have to talk to the a broad spectrum of people. The simplistic speach-modes desirable during election creates the political "strongman". I agree with yor critique, dear Nursey, but the strategy of non-communication is a looser strategy. War rethorics can be quite damaging in peacetime.

Nursey ! For a utopian, you are a real pessimist. Rewrite your carthesian logic honey :P

[XerxesX]

One can argue the cost of strongmen in general. Or, as you choose, to focus solely on one.
The phenomenons success is related to its effective transformation to plural, peacefull, plentifull democracy.
The traditional anti-capitalistic pan-national strongman has in this case a most horrid record.
Even Ho Chi Minh. Even uncle Ho. But the asian boob-or-bust economies are not fully developed yet.

The relative success of the british colonial administration, ( in decolonialisation ), is notable. Nous ancestres, les Gaulls. No less :wink:

[smiles]

joe wasn't the whole point of the abu gharib incident to see if the actions of the soldiers were tolerated, or even enforced by the military? if they were just some random sadistic freaks the fuss wouldn’t have been big....... but if their actions were part of an unspoken policy then we do have a problem. agreed?

[Nursey]

The cartoons are nice. Nice gold-age touch and all. Does not leave a lot of parlamentary room though.
Again. The parralell to Afrika in the 1960s is striking. The strong leader and the transition to modernity.
No matter how many camels Bush has hidden in the closet. Anyone that want to solve some of the puzzles of human behaviour, and create a future society to live in will have to talk to the a broad spectrum of people. The simplistic speach-modes desirable during election creates the political "strongman". I agree with yor critique, dear Nursey, but the strategy of non-communication is a looser strategy. War rethorics can be quite damaging in peacetime.

Nursey ! For a utopian, you are a real pessimist. Rewrite your carthesian logic honey :P


:? *baffled*

[XerxesX]

An edu in theatre taught me the benefits of positive feedback. It applies to politics as well. Hatefull rethorics, ( even if just ), are usually counterproductive.

Wesawyoudidits simply will not do.
The slogan EDUCATE THE MASSES need some work as well. Why bafflement ?

[Joeslogic]

Xerx its actually a pleasure to see you are posing again. In all honesty while I think others truly do not understand you I think I get at least 75 percent. And while I agree usually only in part. You do have a way of portraying you point of view in a fairly objective manner that is not inflammatory and or derogatory to a person of opposing opinion.

Nursey is baffled because you did not show her pictures to go along with your text that you copied from some America-Hate webpage.

Smiles, that is a loaded question that takes a while to explain in short the answer is: No. But that leaves a false impression kind of like asking a man if he stopped beating his wife? Yes or no will simply do please.

[smiles]

Smiles, that is a loaded question that takes a while to explain in short the answer is: No. But that leaves a false impression kind of like asking a man if he stopped beating his wife? Yes or no will simply do please.


i see...... so regardless if the media is portraying an insignificant percentage of the military as the majority..... it wouldn’t matter because you feel that such behavior is not inappropriate..... so then how is the media doing you a disservice? shouldn’t you be arguing towards why Abu Gharib should be a standard and not at why the media is covering it?

[Nursey]

Nursey is baffled because you did not show her pictures to go along with your text that you copied from some America-Hate webpage.



Ooh, bitchy! :o I had no idea when i did this thread poking a little mischievous fun at Joe's uncannily stereotypical political views i would be provoking such a bitter response! As you mature, Joe, you may find you are able to lighten up a little and even have the occasional laugh at your own expense.
What baffled me about XerxesX's post? Apart from the typically obscure references, eg. the (Carthusian) 'contemplative order founded during the 11th century by Saint Bruno' :| ...was his quibbling... eg. "Does not leave a lot of parliamentary room though." (!?) I didn't post the cartoons for pontificating, academic-style analysis...i posted them because they are Joeslogic - to a tee...as portrayed by a cartoon parody of the extreme right. And i seem to remember making that exact same point about Joe before...that he is so extreme that he is impossible to parody...because he is already a self-parody. And quite proud of it it seems, as he shamelessly continues to fulfill the stereotypes being portrayed with comments like 'America-hate webpage'. (giggle)
What 'hate-filled rhetoric' are you referring to, XerxesX? The 'hate' (?) filled 'rhetoric' (?) of a humorous political cartoon which just so happens to exactly depict the facts as exemplified by Joe? Get a grip.

[Nursey]

I think Joe's sulking.

[diogenes]

Republicans don't sulk, they wait. Like Chuck Norris.

[Joeslogic]

No Nursey, I've been away on business actually and took a break from Fugly Forums while away. I do not know what to say Nursey more than I have. Of course you never know but it is likely the anti-Bush administration rhetoric will likely be effective in 2008 as it stands now. Maybe that will make you fill better. I see things as they are and make no apologies. I find it frightening that so many people when considering within the realm of where they draw there ideology, are like simple wisps of smoke to be blown around by the perceived winds of common opinion.

Smiley, if I remember right (and I really do not feel like reading over it again) you misunderstood my previous post then made a somewhat valid point. Abu Gharib from the technical perspective was perfectly legal there is no law protecting terrorists on the books. If you want to consider weather there was a moral obligation that was not met. Well that can be argued forever. Was it misrepresented by the media? Absolutely, unequivocally, and without a doubt. Were those misrepresentations effective in achieving the desired results? Yes but not the degree we have been told.

[Nursey]

Republicans don't sulk, they wait. Like Chuck Norris.

*reads Joe's latest unflinching, lip twitching response* You were bang on the money there! :)

[Nursey]

How to spot a baby conservative (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1142722231554)

KID POLITICS | Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...


Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism.

[smurfslappa]

HaHa, Joe was a whiny little baby growing up. HaHa!

[Joeslogic]

Fiscally conservative. Socially liberal on some issues not so much on others. Basically I do not think conservative is accurate. It is interesting the play on words that is used these days. You idiot there at Berkley posted the findings he wanted to find and showed his own hand at the same time.

I'm sure his voting record would accurately indicate is of the extreme left and likely quite liberal himself at least that is on social issues. Likely never voted for a republican in his life and as most of academia these days actively campaigns for the Democratic Party with each election cycle.

Fact is his intention is to paint republicans as the whinny little pestery kids. Let him show his 20 years of wasted effort. A study that would be likened to one of those "How many _insert noun_ does it take to _insert verb_...." Republicans are not necessarily conservative as Democrats are not necessarily liberal. This is the reason specifically that people feel the need to identify them selves as either Libertarian or Independent.

And this is why I consider myself as an Independent. Do I vote as a republican the party you seem to associate with conservatives? Yes probably 90 percent of the time.

The thing is in your little study the so called Independent and confident little liberal grows up. Being a waste to society, a leach that contributes nothing, could not tell you how to write a resume or get a job. But knows with expert precision where to go to get on the government dole, how to file a disability claim, where to get unemployment, the correct form to fill out for a special handicap parking pass and what to say to convince them they need one even though they appear physically fine. How to avoid serving any military duty for the country he or she leaches off of. And if they become a member how to opt out of duty once duty calls using the conscious objector status. Your basic menial little confident shitbag.

[Joeslogic]

Why did I bump this thread you ask? Well why not seeing how Google decided in the infinite wisdom of their search engine that this specific thread was the most popular one to represent "joeslogic" certainly not due to popularity or maybe they would have chosen [ 15 year olds with parents that neglect to whip their ass ] thread which is pushing 4000 views now. or [ Osama Bin Laden died in a filthy cave ] 3900+ views. I guess maybe due to the title in the thread.

[diogenes]

So what you're saying is that google is out to get you. Are you really that insane?

[Joeslogic]

Pfffffft :P Hell no Dio


I guess maybe due to the title in the thread. :roll:


I just figured hell if Google brings it up with my name search along with my Sam's Sushi review I might as well post something on it you know have the last word.

[diogenes]

Fair enough. I don't think anyone has bothered to check besides you though.

[Joeslogic]

I googled diogenes ... no luck :(