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Nursey
03-12-2006, 06:10 AM
This is the clearest, most concise explanation i've read yet as to why the official version of events regarding the Pentagon crash don't add up.

A Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon
by Michael Meyer, Mechanical Engineer

To the members of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven:

I would like to give you my input as to the events on September 11, and why it is a physically provable fact that some of the damage done to the Pentagon could not have occurred from a Boeing 757 impact, and therefore the 9/11 Commission report is not complete and arguably a cover-up. I will not speculate about what may have been covered up, I will only speak from my professional opinion. But I will explain why I do not believe the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757.

I am a Mechanical Engineer who spent many years in Aerospace, including structural design, and in the design, and use of shaped charge explosives (like those that would be used in missile warheads).

The structural design of a large aircraft like a 757 is based around managing the structural loads of a pressurized vessel, the cabin, to near-atmospheric conditions while at the lower pressure region of cruising altitudes, and to handle the structural and aerodynamic loads of the wings, control surfaces, and the fuel load. It is made as light as possible, and is certainly not made to handle impact loads of any kind.

If a 757 were to strike a reinforced concrete wall, the energy from the speed and weight of the aircraft will be transferred, in part into the wall, and to the structural failure of the aircraft. It is not too far of an analogy as if you had an empty aluminum can, traveling at high speed hitting a reinforced concrete wall. The aluminum can would crumple (the proper engineering term is buckle) and, depending on the structural integrity of the wall, crack, crumble or fail completely. The wall failure would not be a neat little hole, as the energy of the impact would be spread throughout the wall by the reinforcing steel.

This is difficult to model accurately, as any high speed, high energy, impact of a complex structure like an aircraft, into a discontinuous wall with windows etc. is difficult. What is known is that nearly all of the energy from this event would be dissipated in the initial impact, and subsequent buckling of the aircraft.

We are lead to believe that not only did the 757 penetrate the outer wall, but continued on to penetrate separate internal walls totaling 9 feet of reinforced concrete. The final breach of concrete was a nearly perfectly cut circular hole (see below) in a reinforced concrete wall, with no subsequent damage to the rest of the wall. (If we are to believe that somehow this aluminum aircraft did in fact reach this sixth final wall.)


EXIT HOLE IN PENTAGON RING-C
American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, is alleged to have punched through 6 blast-resistant concrete walls‹a total of nine feet of reinforced concrete‹before exiting through this hole.


It is physically impossible for the wall to have failed in a neat clean cut circle, period. When I first saw this hole, a chill went down my spine because I knew it was not possible to have a reinforced concrete wall fail in this manner, it should have caved in, in some fashion.

How do you create a nice clean hole in a reinforced concrete wall? with an explosive shaped charge. An explosive shaped charge, or cutting charge is used in various military warhead devices. You design the geometry of the explosive charge so that you create a focused line of energy. You essentially focus nearly all of the explosive energy in what is referred to as a jet. You use this jet to cut and penetrate armor on a tank, or the walls of a bunker. The signature is clear and unmistakable. In a missile, the explosive charge is circular to allow the payload behind the initial shaped charge to enter whatever has been penetrated.

I do not know what happened on 9/11, I do not know how politics works in this country, I can not explain why the mainstream media does not report on the problems with the 9/11 Commission. But I am an engineer, and I know what happens in high speed impacts, and how shaped charges are used to "cut" through materials.

I have not addressed several other major gaps in the Pentagon/757 incident. The fact that this aircraft somehow ripped several light towers clean out of the ground without any damage to the aircraft (which I also feel is impossible), the fact that the two main engines were never recovered from the wreckage, and the fact that our government has direct video coverage of the flight path, and impact, from at least a gas station and hotel, which they have refused to release.

You can call me a "tin hat", crazy, conspiracy theory, etc, but I can say from my expertise that the damage at the Pentagon was not caused by a Boeing 757.

Sincerely,
Michael Meyer

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html

XerxesX
03-12-2006, 01:51 PM
Could it have been a tin-jumbo ? Do all presume that NY-constructors allways fulfill the quality-checks on their constructions ? Someone had orders to shoot at the pentagon as well. T.Blair will be judged by G-d. And so what !

Nursey
03-12-2006, 02:23 PM
Could it have been a tin-jumbo ? Do all presume that NY-constructors allways fulfill the quality-checks on their constructions ? Someone had orders to shoot at the pentagon as well. T.Blair will be judged by G-d. And so what !


Or could it have been a mumbo-jumbo? Do all presume boing-constrictors fill themselves with quail-chicks in their constrictions? Surely not!?

Nursey
03-12-2006, 02:39 PM
*boeing

phatboy
03-12-2006, 08:22 PM
There is a site dedicated to this. I saw it a while back, lots of pictures and over shadowing with the planes and the holes they caused. Of course they say thet the wings didnt make indentions when it hit the building. Well most jets store their fuel in their wings. That jet just took off and was presumably full of fuel. So the slightest spark and boom, no more wings. Now I cant say that I dont think Flight 93 wasnt shot down. But I cant say I would blame the military for shooting it down over rural PA as apposed to it crashing in a more heavily populated area. Where the death toll may have been a lot higher.

Plus I think there was enough eye witnesses that would have spoken up if a missle had hit the pentagon.

Nursey
03-13-2006, 06:19 AM
Well it seems there is a commonly made error in the information the author based their conclusion on. From above article:

EXIT HOLE IN PENTAGON RING-C
American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, is alleged to have punched through 6 blast-resistant concrete walls‹a total of nine feet of reinforced concrete‹before exiting through this hole.

It turns out it wasn't 6 walls...

The C-ring punch-out hole is frequently cited as evidence that a dense "warhead", from a missile or cruise missile, was used in the attack. According to the argument, the object that produced the hole had to travel through five masonry walls: The facade and inward-facing wall of the E-ring, two walls of the D-ring, and two walls of the C-ring. That would seem to be too much material for any component from a passenger jet to penetrate.

This argument is based on a misunderstanding of the Pentagon's design. In fact, the light wells between the C- and D-ring and D- and E-ring are only three stories deep. The first and second stories span the distance between the Pentagon's facade and the punctured C-ring wall, which faces a ground-level courtyard. There are no masonry walls in this space, only load-bearing columns. Thus it would be possible for an aircraft part that breached the facade to travel through this area on the ground floor, miss the columns, and puncture the C-ring wall withough having encountering anything more than unsubstantial gypsum walls and furniture in-between. Source (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/punchout.html)

smurfslappa
03-13-2006, 09:24 AM
Don't even bother Nursey. You can't dazzle them with your brilliance, and they've already been baffled by all the bullshit.

chester grape
03-13-2006, 05:44 PM
Is the theory that it was a truck still current? Or has that been comprehensively disproven?

Conor
03-16-2006, 08:54 PM
I would love to agree. I really would, but this was the big deal maybe 10 months ago...

there is a great compiation of very thumb twiddling evidence to say that the whole 9/11 was a set up.

Its on Goolge vid...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7772696530684663669&q=loose+change
But seriously, this is old news,



And wahey, This is my first post.

dingleberry
03-16-2006, 10:42 PM
Can someone find the actual pictures of the damage created by the impact?

dingleberry
03-16-2006, 10:43 PM
and post them here i mean : )

Conor
03-17-2006, 10:18 AM
http://www.911truth.org/readingroom/image_archive/pentagon/sgt_jason/in-tact_E.jpg

You can see that the damage with the building is horribly inconsistant with a boeing 757.

Intact windows, and no debris of the plane. And for people who said that the plane hit the ground first, well, It didn't, and the fires couldn't discintegrate the amount of titanium be cause the fires were simply not hot enough.

DrBungle
03-17-2006, 10:25 AM
It was Ferine (I think) who posted a really good article about all this in Popular Science in one of the other CS threads.

Either way, most people decide they are right and then argue emotionaly, which messes up the entire process.

phatboy
03-17-2006, 10:35 AM
If the plane hit the ground before reaching the wall, which is highly probable, then there wouldnt be a defined hole. Now should the wheels, tailfin and other miscelaneous shit be lying all over the place? Yeah I would say you would think that it would. But With all the fuel that thing had in the wings, I wouldnt be suprised if all the fragments werent the size of golf balls.

Plus that bitch burnt for quite a while.

Are there any witnesses that say it wasnt a plane? If it wasnt the plane, then where is the plane?

phatboy
03-17-2006, 10:39 AM
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

phatboy
03-17-2006, 10:41 AM
http://www.tfeagle.army.mil/tfetalon/PhotoGallery/15TalonPhotos/Nov12/Images/Pic18-Pentagon-9-11.gif

Sorry about linking but i have no where to post.

XerxesX
03-17-2006, 01:13 PM
Hypotheses:

1 The rocketattack was staged to make it a clear case of military targeting.
( As opposed to civilian juridistiction ).
2 There was a mole high enough to srew up some of the milex giong on at the time
3 Together with the two other attacks, it was all staged by a rightwing conspiracy, with the goal of rewriting their checks and balances.
Blaming it in somebody bearded , and start next developemental stage of weaponstech.
4 It was a tin-hatted mumbo jumbo indeed. Cthulu guards the gate. The psyckological tool of neccessity obfuscates more than onedimensional. Post-mechanical.

phatboy
03-17-2006, 02:07 PM
If you look at the photo it is pretty clear where the wings hit and where the fuselage hit.

http://www.tfeagle.army.mil/tfetalon/PhotoGallery/15TalonPhotos/Nov12/Images/Pic18-Pentagon-9-11.gif

This is a test. Im hoping it works.