Time for the attacks on the validity of media reports

[Joeslogic]

Let’s tell the masses why they should not believe the newly uncovered evidence that Iraq obviously had wmd's. And let’s be quick to do it before the evidence is released.

It's like a predictable Jerry Springer episode where the contestant hears about another person who they know has evidence to testify to the audience as to how full of shit they are. You know that this is true when they start with how the audience should believe nothing they say.

But it is awful hard to argue against taped recordings in Saddams presidential palace. That was recently translated. Guess that blockbuster news report would be better swept under the rug rather than try to attack the messenger. Let's just sit back and see how this plays out.

[chester grape]

I haven't heard the reports, but you can be sure FOX News won't be sweeping it under any rug.

How old are the recordings? Why did they take so long to surface?

These are the kinds of questions any sensible person, and any decent journalist, should ask.

However, as FOX employs no decent journalists, I expect they'll run whatever the Whitehouse gives 'em.

[Joeslogic]

The evidence is out there and it is compelling. I encourage you if you feel that way then to not watch Fox news or consider what they report on it. Rather watch whatever other news outlet you like and gauge there sincerity in getting you fair and accurate news by what they tell you about it this week and what then gets dragged out or doesn’t get dragged out about it in the next few months. If you open your mind it can be a very telling thing.

If they either don't report it or sort of report it as a back page non-important issue. Then you should reconsider your faith in your favorite news outlet.

[chester grape]

If you open your mind it can be a very telling thing.

What's sauce for the goose ...

[diogenes]

Or the reports that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction are being exagerated.

[Joeslogic]

The information is out there to find.

Or of course you can waite for Nursey to tell you why you should not believe the information. Complete with links and miles of copied text.

[diogenes]

you act like I go to Nursey for my source material. Because I trust fugly as my news source. :roll:

[Joeslogic]

Hell no. Actually I think the only two people that really take her seriously are Pimp and Smiley. Xerx actually seems to read them and then go on to refute most points. Thing is Xerx is a mature grown up capable of reading the propaganda and forming his own opinion. I just cannot see where he finds the time or patience.

[Nursey]

I keep walking into discussions where Joe is talking about me. My posts must be getting to him if he is so agitated and defensive. Nothing like the security that comes from knowing in your heart of hearts you are right, eh? :wink:

[XerxesX]

Well they did not really have weapons of MASS destruction. If someone founf a few drops of biosneeze. It would still be far less than what small european countries have in their labs.

The problem was the geo-political threat of Iran and Iraq joining forces. To have some clout they need the nuclear-umbrella. Heck ! Most Us pharmaceutical companies have more weapons of mass-destruction than Iraq !

[Nursey]

Let’s tell the masses why they should not believe the newly uncovered evidence that Iraq obviously had wmd's. And let’s be quick to do it before the evidence is released.

If they had them, why didn't they use them? Were they saving them for a rainy day when the world's most powerful military weren't attacking them?

[Joeslogic]

Shit use his weapons on us in a face to face battle hell no he knew the war we were about to stomp him on we were sitting back like little children on the beach in a lounge chair playing army with toy soldiers using their toes.

Using a wmd on us would evoke the wrath on him like he never imagined. Better to sneak them out through Lebanon and Syria and deep six tons of it into the ocean.

And Xerx were not talking about a small amount here.

[Nursey]

Using a wmd on us would evoke the wrath on him like he never imagined

Well isn't that why he would never be stupid enough to do it in the first place?

[Joeslogic]

He is crazy like a fox as well as crazy like a smurf all at the same time.

He believed he could hide the weapons, make GW a fool. Then resume where he left off at a later point. Remember the very real Iran threat and desire to take out Israel as incentive. It has been proven that once a rouge dictator attains a certain respect for power he is then left alone. Look at North Korea if you would like an example.

A smart man who gave himself too much credit and his terrorized advisers knew better than to disagree with him. The man killed his own son-n-law for disagreeing with him.

[chester grape]

He is crazy like a fox as well as crazy like a smurf all at the same time.

He believed he could hide the weapons, make GW a fool. Then resume where he left off at a later point. Remember the very real Iran threat and desire to take out Israel as incentive. It has been proven that once a rouge dictator attains a certain respect for power he is then left alone. Look at North Korea if you would like an example.

A smart man who gave himself too much credit and his terrorized advisers knew better than to disagree with him. The man killed his own son-n-law for disagreeing with him.

But North Korea won their war. Iraq hasn't ... yet.

[Nursey]

He believed he could (.........) make GW a fool.


:| Erm...Joe...

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[diogenes]

One question Joe, if the evidence is there that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, why has the U.S. called off the search for them? Wouldn't it be in our best interest, as a nation, to continue the search for weapons that could kill millions?

[XerxesX]

That is also about priorities in the field and how to protect highly specialized troops with grunt-power in a hostile environment. Better train more iraquis and chase those ragheads around without the glasseads as a liability.

But the focus could have been here:

The problem was the geo-political threat of Iran and Iraq joining forces. To have some clout they need the nuclear-umbrella. Heck ! Most Us pharmaceutical companies have more weapons of mass-destruction than Iraq !

[Joeslogic]

So the news media is not biased?
Going on 20 days now and hardly a peep.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/945usqnx.asp

Strategy still the same misinform the general public doing so speaking in one collective voice. After the truth inevitably does get, out simply blackball it. If there is no other choice, acknowledge it as a non issue really hopefully sustaining the damage done on the conservative administration what ever administration that may be.

Seems their following the standard operating procedure.

[smurfslappa]

Yes Joe, misinformation. But they don't use it to just give the right-wingers a black eye, it's just that all these problems that inevitably had to show up are finally doing so, and they want to channel the anger of the public onto those who are in office right now. When everything finally goes to shit, it'll be them who we blame it all on, because the media told us so. Not the people who are really forcing these decisions on them.

[diogenes]

I don't care to attempt to correct you on your "liberal media bias" bull-shit anymore. Think what you want Joe. The world would be a better place if we could just get rid if liberals and let GW invade whatever country he wants, ruin whatever environmental gains we've made, and let the bathing light of Jesus Christ wash over the federal government.

[smurfslappa]

Goddam I can't stand the ignorance that runs Joe's life.

[Joeslogic]

So that's your stratagy after you have lost the arguement?

[smurfslappa]

Lost? Say what bitch? You posted one article, and it sucks. Man Joe, you're really outdoing yourself this time.

[Joeslogic]

Damn those annoying facts that stand in the way of Smurflogic!

Smurf damn thing about your paranoia is that you do not see the bigger conspiracy that drives your ideas. You’re a puppet. Then when faced with the obvious facts you refuse to see, change the topic. All that wasted energy being a tool of manipulation and thinking you’re on to something everyone else is oblivious to.

[Joeslogic]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031006/content/cutting_edge.Par.0002.ImageFile.jpg

[/url]http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/newmoviespeeches/moviespeechnetwork2.mp3

Get mad Smurf you don't have to take it any more!

[Joeslogic]

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/newmoviespeeches/moviespeechnetwork2.mp3

[smurfslappa]

Wow Joe, so you're saying there's another conspiracy out there, driving me to believe all that I do? You're an idiot Joe, I believe a lot of the same things you do, I just tie more things into them and I'm not as stupid and naive as you.

Duhr Liberal Media try keep right wing DOWN. Down down right wing. Smurf Crazy! HahA, Smurfs funny. Obvious facts smurf! See? Ann coulter says! This website says! Bush wanted documents released. Doh I'm an idiot :cry:

That's all I hear Joe. Maybe I'll come up with a big ass long awesome post about the state of the economy and those controlling it. Then maybe I'll come up with a big ass long post about why the environment is going to shit, rapidly... And then maybe I'll write a big ass long post about how massive military movements worldwide have been going down, and accelerating... then maybe I'll write a big ass long post tying it all together because knowing you Joe, you would think it's all a coincidence...

I'd like some catastrophic event to just come along and shut you up, but that would mean I'd have to listen to your pompous, stupid bitch ass until then, so I'll probably take a little time out of my weekend to get that on here.

[Joeslogic]

Me on Smurf Rhetoric:

Aristotle on Rhetoric (or at least a study of rhetoric arguing positions proposed by Aristotle not a verbatim quote) http://www.americanrhetoric.com/aristotleonrhetoric.htm

Dialectic does not construct its syllogisms out of any haphazard materials, such as the fancies of crazy people, but out of materials that call for discussion; and rhetoric, too, draws upon the regular subjects of debate. The duty of rhetoric is to deal with such matters as we deliberate upon without arts or systems to guide us, in the hearing of persons who cannot take in at a glance a complicated argument, or follow a long chain of reasoning. The subjects of our deliberation are such as seem to present us with alternative possibilities: about things that could not have been, and cannot now or in the future be, other than they are, nobody who takes them to be of this nature wastes his time in deliberation.

The point is there is another equally compelling point of persuasion.

The second of three proposed rules of persuasion

Secondly, persuasion may come through the hearers, when the speech stirs their emotions. Our judgments when we are pleased and friendly are not the same as when we are pained and hostile. It is towards producing these effects, as we maintain, that present-day writers on rhetoric direct the whole of their efforts. This subject shall be treated in detail when we come to speak of the emotions.

This is the overwhelming method of dire consequence paranoia such that Smurf proposes. Simply put it’s the idea of: I'm ninety percent sure that he is wrong but that ninety percent chance is of little consequence. While at the same time the ten percent chance of possibility that he is true is of great and grave consequence. Therefore he is given more credibility than he deserves.

Don’t get me wrong Smurf I am not meaning to say that anyone takes you that seriously however that fact that your not soundly denounced is due to this very reasoning. You yourself are more of a victim than anyone else.

[smurfslappa]

To you maybe. To me, I'm 100% correct about these great Earth changes coming, and the you're the victim of your own disbelief. I'm sorry I'm not a little more convincing and just crazy ol' Smurf instead, so I'll take the friendly approach with my great post.

[DrBungle]

Starting NOW!

[Joeslogic]

Then let me thank you in advance if even only a mere token payment in the dept of gratitude I already am in arrears for sure for your kindness in sparing me the utter embarrassment of total loss of dignity. Once again I have scarcely avoided the wrath of the Smurfslapper. I am counting my blessings woe is the man that squanders them foolishly.

[Joeslogic]

Smurf said"Step forward, Tin Man. You dare to come to me for a heart, do you? You clinking, clanking, clattering collection of caliginous junk...And you, Scarecrow, have the effrontery to ask for a brain! You billowing bale of bovine fodder!"

[Joeslogic]

Martin luther King said
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!"

And to that I say that I believe even though Smurf's skin is blue he wears a funny hat and boots he means well and that counts for a lot.

[Joeslogic]

Bull Durham aka Kevin custner said "C'mon rook. Show us that million dollar arm 'cause I gotta, oh, I gotta good idea about that five cent head of yours."

[Joeslogic]

Gertrude Himmelfarb, John M. Ashbrook Memorial Dinner Address
[/quote]"'Demoralization.' I distinguished in that book two senses of demoralization: the familiar one of the loss of morale, of contentment, and of good spirit -- and the more serious one of the loss of morality, of moral bearings and convictions."

I shall find solace in this quote as I brace my self for the kind wrath that is Smurf. I shall however endeavor to sustain my sense of morality, bearings as well as my convictions. While pursuing the truth in the revelations kindly brought to my attention my mentor and guide of enlightenment.