Scalar elctromagnetics / HAARP

[Nursey]

I posted this in another forum, just going to reproduce it here.



It might seem a bit far fetched, but it's not too unlikely that the earthquake and tsunamis in Asia could be a manmade event. Apparently it was bigger than all the other quakes in the region over the past five years put together.
Also, it happened on the one year anniversary of the huge earthquake in Bam, Iran (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1226-06.htm) last year, which was responsible for the deaths of over 20 000 people. One thing which struck me at the time about that earthquake, was that buildings which had withstood all previous earth tremors including the 200 year old citadel, were completely destroyed.
Also, the hurricanes that struck Florida this year (apparently two or three a year are normal, there were 6 in the space of six months?) behaved quite strangely.

Hurricane Charley and Scalar Electromagnetics (http://www.awakening-healing.com/A-HNewsLetters/2004/Florida%20From%20Gillian_MBL_83004.htm)

First, a brief background regarding Scalar Electromagnetics and how they effect weather and the human mind.

The key discovery made by Tesla in the late 1800’s was that the earth itself reverberated with a pulsing electrical current in the low ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) range. Tesla had also discovered the exact frequency at which the earth normally pulsates. These natural waves are created as a result of electrical activity in the atmosphere. Collectively, these waves are called The Schumann Resonance. These are quasi-standing [SCALAR] ELF waves that naturally exist in the earth's electromagnetic cavity, the space between the ground and the Ionosphere.

By causing many towers [HAARP, GWEN, etc.] to pulse with the exact ELF frequency of the normal earth pulsation, scientists have learned how to not only create, but also how to maneuver and direct storms. Tesla’s discovery can duplicate almost every single phenomena of nature, from cyclones to tornados; and now, with Solar Power Satellites used in conjunction with land based towers, weather Control is just that simple.

GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) transmitter towers bathe the entire U.S. in an artificial magnetic field which can rise from the ground to 500 ft, but also goes down into the ground as deep as a normal basement. Everyone can be affected and mind-controlled. This entire artificial ground wave spreads out over North America like a spider’s web.

The natural earth ELF waves are identical to the frequency spectrum of our human brainwaves, and it has been proven that the use of an ELF bombardment - at the same frequency as the human brain - can change a person's thoughts or emotions. In the early 1960’s, Dr Andrija Puharich discovered various mental effects of ELF, specifically that 7.83 Hz (the earth's pulse rate) made a person feel good, producing an altered-state; that 10.80 Hz caused riotous behavior; and that 6.6 Hz caused depression. It has since been discovered that 10 Hz puts people into a hypnotic state.

In speaking with everyone I can who survived the direct path of Hurricane Charley, I have begun to see a definite pattern in their stories. At first, it appeared that this was the effect of rapid barometric pressure changes that accompany powerful hurricanes. But people were not just describing the pressure they felt in their ears or the other physical signs of rapid pressure changes. Rather, they were describing extreme mental and mood changes they could not control.

About an hour before the center of Hurricane Charley passed over, survivors have described how they became very tired, depressed, and lethargic. While an approaching hurricane would depress just about anyone anticipating its arrival, the depression every survivor has described was not the anxiety depression such anticipation would typically invoke. This was an overall mental and physical depression that even affected them with general body aches and a widespread feeling of non-wellbeing. Almost all said it was as if they were drugged with a pain killer, but without the “goofy” side effects. They could do the things they needed to do, such as get mattresses into their bathrooms to huddle under, but their thinking seemed “surreal.”

When the eye passed over, they described feeling “numbed,” both mentally and physically. While a few took a look outside to see if it was all over, most said they just didn’t have a thought to do anything other than sleep and not move an inch from where they were.

When the backside of Charley came, the same numbness as in the beginning again overwhelmed them. But what is most interesting is what they all described after Charley had finished its fury, from 1 to 3 hours later. Stupor, hypnotized, trance, under a spell, and zombie were the most common descriptions. Even though they were aware that the hurricane had passed, they were mentally not able to do anything. Some knew it was all over, but they just wanted to sleep. Nearly all just stayed put and didn’t bother to check their own surroundings. Nothing made sense, it was hard to get words spoken past a mental thought, and there was no fear or care about anything.

Personally, Charley was the third hurricane direct hit I have lived through, yet I never felt the same symptoms with the first two as I did with Charley. I experienced the same as all those who survived this hurricane with me. We all felt the exact same way before, during, and after, and we all agree that it was very odd the way we felt mentally and physically for those few hours. More so, those of us who have lived through previous hurricanes all agree that we never felt like this during our previous experiences. Our experience with Hurricane Charley was unique and different.

If ELF Scalar Electromagnetic frequencies were used, this would account for what I have described above. But more than that, if such Scalar EM was present, then this may also account for the rapid change in Hurricane Charley’s direction. Scalar mind and weather manipulation are accomplished in the same ELF range, and that is not just an unproven theory: It is a proven scientific fact.

When Charley was approaching Jamaica, the oddest thing took place. It was following a direct line path through the center of Jamaica, but suddenly it made a perfect arched curve to the south, and ended up back on its original course after it had swung around the island. That was just as odd as the sudden right-hand turn it made into Charlotte Harbor. There’s no doubt that since hurricane paths have been recorded over the past 200 years, no hurricane ever acted like Charley did or had ever followed such an erratic path. This was one of the biggest reasons Tampa was the predicted landfall area.

There are lots of unanswered questions about Charley, but one strong possibility is that it was manipulated using ELF Scalar methods. The symptoms we all experienced and the erratic behavior of Charley itself seem to lend credibility to this likelihood. For those like Tom Bearden and others who have far greater knowledge about Scalar, GWEN, HAARP, and ELF, I invite your comments. All of us would like some answers. Michael Edward
A forum thread (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread101185/pg1) on the subject.
There are many different uses for H.A.A.R.P. (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program)
-submarine communications
-mind-control
-a "shield"
-geophysical and environmental warfare

The US is known for testing new weapons on the unsuspecting public, (not the only country to do so), if HAARP can control weather, the ionsphere and other geophysical elements, where would you test it without letting your advisaries know about it?

[Nursey]

Subject: Isabel -- I say they made her do it -- too convenient given the technology, the secrecy, the motivation, the capability, the depraved criminality

Email received: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:28 AM


Isabel: I say they made her do it. By Dick Eastman M.S. M.A. (http://www.bariumblues.com/storm_fury.htm)

It seems that we had a deliberate effort to stifle successful efforts to make hurricanes less damaging at the very time that the national weather bureau and other weather-related government agencies were being privatized. The National Weather Service, like the Federal Reserve Bank, the Atomic Energy Commission and the National Science Foundation is a privately owned and controlled organization. Each operating in their respective fields in totally unregulated and largely unsupervised environments, with the public thinking that each is part of the government."
We are not only seeing the deliberate decision to let disaster happen when it could be prevented -- we are seeing something much worse -- the deliberate use of this technology developed by minds that sought to help mankind being used as a means of destroying our homes and killing our people for the sake of "disaster-industry " profit and "national-emergency" power.

Is your Administration in trouble in Washington? Maybe you are a Defense Secretary running the nation for the not-so-swift President and you have started a few wars and killed a few thousand Americans in a pretext for those wars and something has gone wrong and the cover-story is not "taking" as you had planned.



What to do?

Simple.

Send a hurricane through Washington DC that will put out the lights for a while and grab all the headlines and give new no-other-choice political power over lives of people who might otherwise turn on you (i.e., power to dispense FEMA emergency relief and reconstruction contracts.)

But how?

Very simple. Haven't you heard of Clandestine Weather Modification (CWM)?
(Read the link for an in-depth look at how this is possible.)
Here are the fundamentals of CWM , but check this later, in this letter we are talking about the intensification and steering of hurricanes so they can be used as military, economic and political instruments of Machiavellian plutocratic governance. CWM Fundamentals:

http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/deep-ecology/2001/msg00165.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weather_ops/message/1

Discussion: weather_ops-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Here is my draft in progress - just in case I don't have the chance to get it out --

Just as there are people who are ready to admit that the globalist ruling elite knew that the September 11, 2001 attacks were coming yet purposely let the terror succeed, but who are, for various reasons unrelated to the power of the evidence, reluctant to admit that our leadership actually planned and executed a false-flag inside-job mass-murder frame-up to realize the economic and geopolitical goals of the criminal elite, so too there are people ready to admit that this same ruling elite have sat on weather modification technologies that could have abated the intensity and/or redirected the path of recent catastrophic hurricanes that have created a bonanza for FEMA and FEMA's preferred contractors, not unlike the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the domestic war on terror have created bonanzas for the military-industrial-spook complex, but are not willing to admit that these same deviant elites may have utilized clandestine weather modification technologies to intensify and direct these tropical cyclones to the most destructive courses and energies possible.

As one who knows for certain from the evidence that this ruling elite did in fact plan and execute the 9-11 black-op for the sake of Big Finance, Big Business, Big Government and Big Zionism and as one who has uncovered the technology and geo-science of clandestine weather modification, I need to share with you, and especially the victims in lives (22 souls) and or property of hurricane Isabel and the patriot-voter-taxpayer, my grounds for suspicion that Isabel has been as opportune for the criminal ruling elite of the US as was September 11.

But this requires some educational/technical discussion before you can even make sense of the evidence.

[ucicare]

1. There is a machine that controls the winds, and the minds of men, and I own the machine. Watch yourself.

2. I stood outside in the eye of hurricane Ivan. I can testify that I saw no less than SIX US AWACS AIRPLANES circling in the eye. That is how they directed the storm. Each plance had TURBO PROPS, and the prop wash steered the storm. I swear I saw it. It was not the mushrooms.


Seriously - this type of subjective "I feel funny therefore it must be" type of article is ridiculous. Ignorant people who cannopt accept that "stuff happens" have to attribute power to Gods and Governments to make their scary little paranoid world make sense. Staight jackets and private padded accomadations await those who believe governments can control the wind and the waves. We can't even cure the common cold.

beamed down from the mothership, I am sincerely yours,

Barry

[Nursey]

Here. Read.
HAARP: Vandalism in the Sky? (http://www.kalamark.com/Kal_Dir/haarp.html)

HAARP BOILS THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE - HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an 'ionospheric heater'. (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between about 40 to 600 miles above Earth's surface.) Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope: antennas send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radio wave beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto Earth and penetrate everything-living and dead. HAARP publicity gives the impression that the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program is mainly an academic project with the goal of changing the ionosphere to improve communications for our own good. However, other US military documents put it more clearly: HAARP aims to learn how to "exploit the ionosphere for Department of Defense purposes".

Communicating with submarines is only one of those purposes. Press releases and other information from the military on HAARP continually downplay what it could do. Publicity documents insist that the HAARP project is no different than other ionospheric heaters operating safely throughout the world in places such as Arecibo, Puerto Rico; Tromsø, Norway; and the former Soviet Union. However, a 1990 government document indicates that the radio frequency (RF) power zap will drive the ionosphere to unnatural activities: "...at the highest HF powers available in the West, the instabilities commonly studied are approaching their maximum RF energy dissipative capability, beyond which the plasma processes will 'run away' until the next limiting factor is reached." If the military, in cooperation with the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, can show that this new ground-based "Star Wars" technology is sound, they both win.

The military has a relatively inexpensive defence shield and the university can brag about the most dramatic geophysical manipulation since atmospheric explosions of nuclear bombs. After successful testing, they would have the military megaprojects of the future and huge markets for Alaska's North Slope natural gas. Looking at the other patents which built on the work of a Texas physicist named Bernard Eastlund, it becomes clearer how the military intends to use the HAARP transmitter. It also makes governmental denials less believable. The military knows how it intends to use this technology, and has made it clear in their documents. The military has deliberately misled the public through sophisticated word games, deceit and outright disinformation. The military says the HAARP system could:
* give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986);
* replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology;
* be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system;
* provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working;
* provide a wide-area Earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements;
* be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area;
* be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete. The above abilities seem like a good idea to all who believe in sound national defence and to those concerned about cost-cutting.

However, the possible uses which the HAARP records do not explain, and which can only be found in US Air Force, Army, Navy and other federal agency records, are alarming. Moreover, effects from the reckless use of these power levels in our natural shield-the ionosphere-could be cataclysmic, according to some scientists. Two Alaskans put it bluntly. A founder of the NO HAARP movement, Clare Zickuhr, says: "The military is going to give the ionosphere a big kick and see what happens." The military failed to tell the public that they do not know what exactly will happen, but a Penn State science article brags about that uncertainty. Macho science? The HAARP project uses the largest energy levels yet played with, by what Begich and Manning call "the big boys with their new toys".

It is an experiment on the sky, and experiments are done to find out something not already known. Independent scientists told Begich and Manning that a HAARP-type 'skybuster' with its unforeseen effects could be an act of global vandalism. HAARP HISTORY The patents described below were the package of ideas which were originally controlled by ARCO Power Technologies Incorporated (APTI), a subsidiary of Atlantic Richfield Company, one of the biggest oil companies in the world. APTI was the contractor that built the HAARP facility. ARCO sold this subsidiary, the patents and the second phase construction contract to E-Systems in June 1994. E-Systems is one of the biggest intelligence contractors in the world, doing work for the CIA, defence intelligence organisations and others. US$1.8 billion of their annual sales are to these organisations, with $800 million for black projects-projects so secret that even the United States Congress isn't told how the money is being spent. E-Systems was bought out by Raytheon which is one of the largest defence contractors in the world.
Put another way, what is used to disrupt another's communications can be employed by one knowledgeable of this invention as a communication network at the same time. "...large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction... "Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. ...molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased..." Begich found 11 other APTI patents. They told how to make "Nuclear-sized Explosions without Radiation", power-beaming systems, over-the-horizon radar, detection systems for missiles carrying nuclear warheads, electromagnetic pulses previously produced by thermonuclear weapons and other "Star Wars" tricks.

This cluster of patents underlay the HAARP weapon system. Related research by Begich and Manning uncovered bizarre schemes. For example, US Air Force documents revealed that a system had been developed for manipulating and disrupting human mental processes through pulsed radio-frequency radiation (the stuff of HAARP) over large geographical areas. The most telling material about this technology came from writings of Zbigniew Brzezinski (former National Security Adviser to US President Carter) and J. F. MacDonald (science adviser to US President Johnson and a Professor of Geophysics at UCLA), as they wrote about use of power-beaming transmitters for geophysical and environmental warfare. The documents showed how these effects might be caused, and the negative effects on human health and thinking. The mental-disruption possibilities for HAARP are the most disturbing. More than 40 pages of the book, with dozens of footnotes, chronicle the work of Harvard professors, military planners and scientists as they plan and test this use of the electromagnetic technology. For example, one of the papers describing this use was from the International Red Cross in Geneva. It even gave the frequency ranges where these effects could occur-the same ranges which HAARP is capable of broadcasting. The following statement was made more than 25 years ago in a book which Brzezinski wrote while a professor at Columbia University: "Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behaviour. Geophysicist Gordon J. F. MacDonald-specialist in problems of warfare-says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes 'could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the Earth... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period...' No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behaviour for national advantages, to some the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."

ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP (http://www.2012.com.au/HAARP.html)
Advances in Tesla Technology
by
Jeanne Manning and Dr. Nick Begich


The U.S. Government has a new ground-based "Star Wars" weapon which is being tested in the remote bush country of Alaska. This new system manipulates the environment in a way which can:
*Disrupt human mental processes.
*Jam all global communications systems.
*Change weather patterns over large areas.
*Interfere with wildlife migration patterns.
*Negatively affect your health.
*Unnaturally impact the Earth's upper atmosphere.


1886-8: Nikola Tesla invents system of Alternating Current power source and transmission system. As 60-pulse-per-second (hertz) AC power grids spread over the land, Earth will eventually dance to a different beat than her usual 7-8 hertz frequency.

1900: Tesla applies for patent on a device to transmit Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums".

1905: U.S. Patent #787,412 issued for above.

1924: Confirmation that radio waves bounce off ionosphere (electrically-charged layer starting at altitude of 50 kilometers).

1938: Scientist proposes to light up night sky by electron gyrotron heating from a powerful transmitter.

1940: Tesla announces "death ray" invention.

1945: Atomic bomb tests begin 40,000 electromagnetic pulses to follow.

1952: W.O. Schumann identifies 7.83 hertz resonant frequency of the earth.

1958: Van Allen radiation belts discovered (zones of charged particles trapped in earths magnetic field) 2,000+ miles up. Violently disrupted in the same year.

1958: Project Argus, U.S. Navy explodes 3 nuclear bombs in Van Allen belt.

1958: White House advisor on weather modification says Defense Dept. studying ways to manipulate charges "of earth and sky, and so affect the weather

1960: Series of weather disasters begin.

1961?: Copper needles dumped into ionosphere as "telecommunications shield".

1961: Scientists propose artificial ion cloud experiments. In 1960's the dumping of chemicals (barium powder etc.) from satellites/rockets began.

1961-62: Soviets and USA blast many EMPs in atmosphere, 300 megatons of nuclear devices deplete ozone layer by about 4%.

1962: Launch of Canadian satellites & start of stimulating plasma resonances by antennas within the space plasma.6

1966: Gordon J. F. MacDonald publishes military ideas on environmental engineering.

1960's: In Wisconsin, US Navy Project Sanguine lays ELF antennae.

1968: Moscow scientists tell the West that Soviets pinpointed which pulsed magnetic field frequencies help mental & physiological functions and which do harm.

1972: First reports on "ionospheric heater" experiments with high frequency radio waves, at Arecibo. 100-megawatt heater in Norway built later in decade; can change conductivity of auroral ionosphere.

1973: Documentation that launch of Skylab `'halved the total electron content of the ionosphere for three hours"(by rocket exhaust gases).

1973: Recommendations for study of Project Sanguine's biological effects denied by Navy.

|1974: United Nations General Assembly bans environmental warfare.

1974: High-frequency experiments at Plattesville, Colorado; Arecibo, Puerto Rico; and, Armidale, New South Wales heat "bottom side of ionosphere".

1974: Experiments airglow brightened by hitting oxygen atoms in ionosphere with accelerated electrons.

1975: Stanford professor Robert Helliwell reports that VLF from power lines is altering the ionosphere.

1975: U. S. Senator Gaylord Nelson forces Navy to release research showing that ELF transmissions can alter human blood chemistry.

1975: Pell Senate Subcommittee urges that weather & climate modification work be overseen by civilian agency answerable to U.S. Congress. Didn't happen.

1975: Soviets begin pulsing "Woodpecker" ELF waves, at key brainwave rhythms. Eugene, Oregon, one of locations where people were particularly affected.

1976: Drs. Susan Bawin & W. Ross Adey show nerve cells affected by ELF fields.'s

1979: Launch of NASA's third High-Energy Astrophysical Observatory causes large-scale, artificially-induced depletion in the ionosphere. Plasma hole caused by "rapid chemical processes" between rocket exhaust and ozone layer." "ionosphere was significantly depleted over a horizontal distance of 300 km for some hours."

1985: Bernard J. Eastiund applies for patent "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, ionosphere and/or Magnetosphere,'' (First of 3 Eastiund patents assigned to ARCO Power Technologies Inc.)

1986: US Navy Project Henhouse duplicates Delgado (Madrid) experiment -- very low-level, very-low-frequency pulsed magnetic fields harm chick embryos. 20

1980's: In the later part of the decade the U.S. begins network of Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) towers, each to generate Very Low Frequency (VLF) waves for defense purposes .

1987-92: Other APTI scientists build on Eastiund patents for development of new weapon capabilities.

I1994: Military contractor E-Systems buys APTI, holder of Eastiund patents and contract to build biggest ionospheric heater in world (HAARP).

1994: Congress freezes funding on HAARP until planners increase emphasis on earth-penetrating tomography uses, for nuclear counter proliferation efforts.

1995: Raytheon buys E-Systems and old APTI patents. The technology is now hidden among thousands of patents within one of the largest defense contractor portfolios.

1995: Congress budgets $10 million for 1996 under "nuclear counterproliferation" efforts for HAARP project.

1995: HAARP planners to test patent number 5,041,834 in September.

1994-6: Testing of first-stage HAARP (euphemistically named High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) equipment continues, although funding was frozen.

1996: HAARP planners to test the earth-penetrating tomography applications by modulating the electroject at Extremely Low Frequencies

1998: Projected date for fully-operating HAARP system.

[ucicare]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/ucicare/Barrybeams.bmp



How did you get that picture? Where is the security at my facility?

Barry

[ucicare]

I have a serious question.

What possible benefit is there for the US Government to cause a natural disaster that is going to eventually claim the lives of 100,000 people. Please explain to me what there is to gain.

Barry

[Nursey]

An explanation was given in the quote above:
It seems that we had a deliberate effort to stifle successful efforts to make hurricanes less damaging at the very time that the national weather bureau and other weather-related government agencies were being privatized. The National Weather Service, like the Federal Reserve Bank, the Atomic Energy Commission and the National Science Foundation is a privately owned and controlled organization. Each operating in their respective fields in totally unregulated and largely unsupervised environments, with the public thinking that each is part of the government."
We are not only seeing the deliberate decision to let disaster happen when it could be prevented -- we are seeing something much worse -- the deliberate use of this technology developed by minds that sought to help mankind being used as a means of destroying our homes and killing our people for the sake of "disaster-industry " profit and "national-emergency" power.

Is your Administration in trouble in Washington? Maybe you are a Defense Secretary running the nation for the not-so-swift President and you have started a few wars and killed a few thousand Americans in a pretext for those wars and something has gone wrong and the cover-story is not "taking" as you had planned.



What to do?

Simple.

Send a hurricane through Washington DC that will put out the lights for a while and grab all the headlines and give new no-other-choice political power over lives of people who might otherwise turn on you (i.e., power to dispense FEMA emergency relief and reconstruction contracts.)

Corrupt criminals completely control America now. Before the (non)election of Bush in 2000, they have just been quietly paving the way for what we are witnessing happen now. Which is just the thin end of the wedge compared to what's to come.
Anyway, how do you explain this next story, Barry? Was it a little pat on the backside from God for the U.S being such a goodly nation of christians?
Deigo Garcia military base unaffected by tsunamis (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1273118.htm)The key United States military base in the Indian Ocean has been unaffected by the tsunamis which have devastated parts of Asia, The Washington Post has reported.

Diego Garcia, a British territory about 1,500 kilometres south of India, hosts about 3,200 US military personnel and civilian contractors and many US long-range bombers and Navy ships.

Lieutenant Colonel Bill Bigelow, a spokesman for US Pacific Command in Hawaii told the newspaper the US base was apparently safe.

"There are no reports of any damage there," Lt Col Bigelow said.
How.........convenient!

[Robman97]

:roll:
Shit like this invalidates anything you post here.

[ucicare]

:roll:
Shit like this invalidates anything you post here.


Oops.

Another one joins the list of ex Nursey fans.


Barry

[ianbo]

Hands Nursery tinfoil hat so she can block out the evil mind contol signals Mosad, Bush Admin, CIA, Carl ROve, Haliburton, etc, etc. send through the air everyday.

At first I thought you where just a bitter skank that hadnt been laid in a while and suffered from a huge inferiority complex of Americas greatness. I see now that this is far more than bruised ego behind all these rants. There is a line where disdain, distrust and loathing turn to irrational obsession, and fear becomes a compulsion. Doesnt it feel so good to believe theyre all out to get you? Of course it does. My fear is that you maybe suffering from early symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. I suggest you seek a mental health professional as soon as possible before you hurt yourself or others.

[Nursey]

:roll:
Shit like this invalidates anything you post here.
Yeah, apologies for the last post. My suspicious tone came across stronger than if i hadn't compiled it in such haste. I'm not saying this is definately what i think has happened, but in light of what has been happening over the past four years, and in light of technological advancements, i think it should definately not be ruled out, unless its by people who are narrow and close minded enough to trundle out worn old cliches like 'hands Nursery tinfoil hat'. Who cares what they think. :wink:

[Robman97]

:)

[smiles]

suffered from a huge inferiority complex of Americas greatness.

yeah the world is envious of your big strong country, with it's great and powerful army, not to mention the sheer size and thrust capabilities of your missiles which can hit ANY spot with astounding precision, i mean what girl wouldn't be at least A LITTLE intimidated by that

barry why don't we psychoanalyze your fellow patriot for a second and further explore HIS ..... shortcomings?

[ucicare]

suffered from a huge inferiority complex of Americas greatness.

yeah the world is envious of your big strong country, with it's great and powerful army, not to mention the sheer size and thrust capabilities of your missiles which can hit ANY spot with astounding precision, i mean what girl wouldn't be at least A LITTLE intimidated by that

barry why don't we psychoanalyze your fellow patriot for a second and further explore HIS ..... shortcomings?

[ucicare]

Sorry about the post above - quick trigger finger.

barry why don't we psychoanalyze your fellow patriot for a second and further explore HIS ..... shortcomings?


Turns out that Ianbo and I have drunk from the same water supply.(Literally, not figuratively). If he is mentally ill, then I am too. Maybe we have a Foile a Deux. (shared psychosis) I believe the disorder we share is a Cognitive dosorder called RBTS or REALITY BASED THINKING SYNDROME.

I hope that it is incurable.

Barry

[pimpchichi]

If he is mentally ill, then I am too.

well since you have already furnished the forum with details of your mental illness... i will accept your diagnosis of ianbo

[ucicare]

If he is mentally ill, then I am too.

well since you have already furnished the forum with details of your mental illness... i will accept your diagnosis of ianbo


I will never deny that I have a diagnosed mental illness called Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (AD/HD). I do not attach stigma to it or any other mental illness, unlike some of you. I also accept it and seek treatment for it, unlike some of you.

AD/HD is one of the mental illnesses worth having. Creativity, Quick thinking, High energy levels and Genious IQ's can be part of the symptomology. Delusions, paranoia, and disorganized thinking are not part of the diagnostic criteria, however.

People with AD/HD wear many hats. None of them are made of tinfoil, however - And don't confuse "mental illness" with "insane." The two words are not synonymous.


Barry

[pimpchichi]

hmm interesting response barry... very interesting...
now if you just let me take a quick look at those bumps on your head..
then i'll show you some cards.. could you tell me what you see

[Nursey]

Tom Bearden on the Coming Scalar Armageddon Israel, Yakuza, 10 Nations have Scalar Weapons

(http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=45210)

In a recent letter posted on his website scalar scientist Tom Bearden talks about the seemingly relentless march of mankind toward a kind of Armageddon, made even more terrible to comtemplate by the spread of scalar weaponry around the world. He gives his strongest affirmation yet that Israel is in possession of scalar weapons, saying that his sources on this are "impeccable," though he will not, of course, reveal them. Nor are these mind bogglingly terrible weapons in the hands of nations only, but also in the hands of a consortium made up of the Yakuza (Japanese mafia) the Aum Sringyiko cult. He is worried because these groups are not as "rational" as nations might be and might be tempted to use them simply to destroy the West. He is convinced that Yakuza took the technology from Russia back to Japan and now has limited ability to produce their own scalar interferometers.

He also talks about the very real possibility of some group using scalar weapons to trigger huge eruptions in unstable volcanic areas like the Yellowstone caldera causing vast damage over a huge area and affecting the earth systems as a whole. In a previous letter he had responded to another writer's query about some uncharacteristic earthquakes at Yellowstone and stated his fear that the Yakuza may be preparing to attempt to trigger a mega-eruption there.

In my opinion...Israel should be classed amongst those groups considered 'irrational'. They are truly fanatical.
Dear Mr. Bearden,

A certain while ago, I have read a few correspondence excerpts on your site mentioning that a "friendly little nation" is in possession of military systems based on scalar interferometry technology. Would you be able to hint at the sources which made you aware of that?

In addition, I wanted to inform you that just a day after the earthquake in Yellowstone (or Wyoming, according to the NEIC) there has been a strong earthquake in the Papua region in Indonesia (its strength being around 7.1 on the Richter scale), and on the 11th of February there has been a strong earthquake in Israel (5 on Richter) which was felt even in the surrounding countries of the Middle East. Seems rather suspicious to me, this succession of strong earthquakes, especially seeing how the Israeli one was the strongest one recorded in the region during more than the past 25 years.

Sincerely, Daniel


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Subject: RE: Israel and Earthquakes Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:20:27 -0600
Dear Daniel,

No, I do not reveal my sources. In the case you are talking about, they are impeccable.

Also, please be aware that the U.S. Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, publicly confirmed the use of "electromagnetic weapons", when answering questions from his presentation at a conference in Georgia. He stated:


"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves? So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations?It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."
Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

At least 10 nations now have such weapons (the old scalar interferometers) in one form or another. Some Western nations have them, as does China, Brazil, and others. Even the Japanese Mafia (the Yakuza) has had them since they leased the operational use of some of the large strategic Russian scalar interferometers on site in Russia in latter 1989. Beginning in 1990, that rogue team on site there took over responsibility for most of the weather engineering etc. over North America. Shot down a few aircraft and other things as well. The Yakuza/ Aum Shinrikyo also carried the technology back to Japan and now have limited facilities of their own for producing such weapons. Note that this IS NOT the Japanese government, which is not involved in that. If you haven't realized that the Yakuza is a major power in Japan, and in all major Japanese companies (and increasingly in the U.S. oriental communities as well), simply do a bit of Googling on the net; there are some good articles on it....

During the so-called "Cold" war and continuing today, there has been and is sparring between various groups and nations, creating incidents and exchanges involving these weapons.

The uneasy "peace" such as it is (it's actually a state of perpetual war, with "insertion" playing a leading role) that we think we have now, is enforced by availability of "superweapons" in the hands of five nations (a sixth is closing fast, if not already there), and by the former insertion of nuclear weapons into the cities and population centers of the antagonists.

The world is actually a giant powder keg waiting to blow up rather violently, and there are many groups now that are not "rational" opponents such as were the Soviets. Some of these would just as soon blow up the world as blink an eye, and they are also striving to obtain the means to do it. All sorts of groups and even some nations are also engaged in various things such as international terrorism, special interest warfare, large-scale conditioning of populaces, etc. In the United States, e.g., we are one of the most propagandized people on earth; it's done by the tone and tenor of the advertising and our entertainment industry. Look at that mess on national TV! Mostly sex and violence, including the most mindless kind of violence, in great graphic detail. The notion seems to be to desensitize the children to violent murder, great chaotic violence, etc. A child these days has "witnessed" in gory detail more than 20,000 gruesome murders by the time he or she is an adult.

We actually see mass "displacement" activity now in populaces, as well as overly aggressive defensive postures. Some of the weaponry that has come out of the old Soviet energetics now boggles the human mind. Some of these energetics weapons (the psychoenergetics branch) are directly against the human mind, personality, and life itself. The nature of those weapons and their functioning is so alien to the Western psychology and ansatz that most Westerners -- including our scientists and our political leaders -- cannot even tolerate thinking along such lines, much less comprehending that these weapons are deployed and already being used against us in a slow, steady, increasing "boa constrictor" fashion.

The result will be (and is slowly being already) a gradual increase in the intensity and fierceness of the polarizations between various groups -- gay versus straight, democrat versus republican, labor against management, one race against another, etc. The notion seems to be to -- within the next 3 years to 5 years -- increase the polarizations until the resulting responses spill over as riots and blood in the streets. In short, the intent is to gradually have our society "consume itself", more and more, until it accomplishes its own self-destruction and anarchy.

Also, please be aware of the "entourage" phenomenon. In any powerful organization and around any powerful leader, there arises an "entourage" of powerful men who wield the power and carry out the actual operations. Usually about 11% of the "power entourage" have their own agendas and axes to grind. They continually form their own links, lateral groups outside and among the vertical organizations, etc. as "conspiracies" or "groups and tasks of convenience". In short, there is not just "one" conspiracy; at any moment there are dozens. And that applies in every large human organization, be it political, religious, lay, or whatever. It's actually the result of the old species game of "primate dominance" -- who is going to be the big monkey.

In the face of modern and ultramodern technology and mass destruction weapons, behaviorally we are still no better than a big bunch of monkeys.

As the power of the tools and weapons increases, the power of the manipulators in the entourages, struggling to be the "big monkeys", also increases.

If one describes this mess as a vast set of rather independent servomechanism systems, without effective centralized control and order, but with all sorts of competing and self-adjusting systems and action, and with multiple fingers on multiple "control switches", one describes a system which constantly engages in "clashes" or "collisions". In short, one can just use the statistics of heated random molecular systems, as a first approximation. In this case, the "temperature" is the state of the art of the technology -- and with the continuing development of the technology, the temperature is steadily increasing. Hence the frequency of collisions and their average intensity continually increase also.

We are describing a system on the way to its own self-eruption and/or violent self-explosion.

The harder the holding and containment temporarily, the greater the temperature reached before venting. Hence the greater the power of the resulting explosion. In short, the "chain reaction" threshold is reached and breached. That principle, e.g., is widely employed in nuclear weaponry technology.

So the society and world we live in, is simply going to erupt and explode. The only real questions are such as how violent the eruption(s) will be or become, will we have lots of "smaller eruptions" with resulting destruction and decay of segments, will this thing reach a "major explosion" that destroys all humankind or most of it, etc.

Ironically, it is closely parallel to the notion of technologically tickling volcanoes into eruption (a capability confirmed by the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and also confirmed to be ongoing).

For volcano eruptions, one confronts the question of the magnitudes of the individual eruptions, their damages, etc. Then one confronts the caldera problem. If, e.g., a violent eruption of the major caldera at Yellowstone Park is triggered, the results could devastate all of North America, and even threaten most of the earth with severe damage and death to species. Such caldera and the results of their devastating eruption are in the literature, and easily seen by a little Googling on the web.

Now the various nations and groups -- referred to obliquely by SecDef Cohen -- who have the scalar interferometry weapons are also well aware of caldera and the great opportunity for "a weapon of mass destruction" such a caldera in a targeted nation offers. Just recently, there have been several "earthquakes" steadily converging in on the Yellowstone caldera region. To an old artilleryman like me, it certainly seems that someone (Yakuza, most probably) is now zeroing a weapon right on that caldera. In short, someone such as the Yakuza is reaching the capability of destroying the entire United States with a single shot.

Note there are other well-known caldera on earth, in various nations. So well-registered scalar interferometer weapons, where the weaponry group is sufficiently determined and reckless, can in fact very readily destroy entire nations or groups of them -- and possibly even most of the higher forms of life on the planet.

This is the real nature of the kind of world and situation we live in. And it is just a SINGLE EXAMPLE.

It is a very sobering time to be alive, raising and caring for one's family, etc. The power of the technological weapons of the technological (tool-using) species has now grown to where Spaceship Earth itself is in danger, as is all humankind.

And fueling the fire and the ever-increasing temperature is the same old primate dominance and "who's going to be the big monkey".

I hope the Creator has a strong and very ironic sense of humor. This is a heck of a state for our free will to have taken us to. But here we are, like it or not.

One hesitates to use the sometimes overworked term "Armageddon", but something like Armageddon seems to be increasing where we have arrived at or are just arriving at. The "big monkeys" of the world and the hate-mongering fanatics now have sufficient firepower in their hands to do the entire thing in, or very close to it. Since big monkey manipulators and hate-mongering fanatics do not change, the outlook is -- to put it mildly -- very poor. It is just about inevitable that these characters are, one way or another, going to blow up the munitions depot called "the Earth". One can only hope we weather the storm and that the Earth (and humanity) survive.

One thing is certain. If and when it blows, it's going to be one helluva storm.

Best wishes,

Tom Bearden

[ucicare]

In light if this, when Jesus listed the "signs of the end", is it just further proof of his lack of credibility?

Jesus answered: You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

and Paul said - "Here is what I want you to know. There will be terrible times in the last days. People will love themselves. They will love money. They will brag and be proud. They will tear others down. They will not obey their parents. They won't be thankful or holy. They won't love others. They won't forgive others. They will tell lies about people. They will be out of control. They will be wild. They will hate what is good.
They will turn against their friends. They will act without thinking. They will think they are better than others. They will love what pleases them instead of loving God."


But the Bible is just literature, right?

Barry

[FagARoni]

OK, I can accept that all this uber-science is true. I understand Nurzi's paranoid sounding links, and appreciate the info. The Manhattan Project was secret, and its goal was achieved. So what's to be done. The die is cast & we can't change it.

[Nursey]

Whether we can 'do anything about it' or not has, in my opinion, no bearing on whether we should educate ourselves to the true nature of events we are all, to varying degrees, connected to.

Here's a good resource on the subject: Scalar Electromagnetics (http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/)

[whipone]

We really need to launch a tsunami attack on Britain soon.

[ucicare]

We really need to launch a tsunami attack on Britain soon.

I can't believe it. Whip and I agree on something! :D

Barry

[whipone]

We really need to launch a tsunami attack on Britain soon.

I can't believe it. Whip and I agree on something! :D

Barry

Please kill me.

[ucicare]

We really need to launch a tsunami attack on Britain soon.

I can't believe it. Whip and I agree on something! :D

Barry

Please kill me.

Okay, now we agree on TWO things!

Barry

[Nursey]

*Walks in on the...unfortunate... sight of Barry, looking more sheepish than usual hurriedly getting back to his feet after having miscalculated whipone's response to an impromptu bit of friendly cock-sucking.*

UHHH!! Errrr...SORRY! :o I mean...ughhh...i didn't see anything...oh god...i'm just going...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/nursey/uhoh3.gif
UFO Sighting and Strange Signals reported again in Indian Ocean – sub tectonic experiment? (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-24-05.asp)
Staff Reporter
January 24, 2005


People are again reporting heavy UFO sighting in Nicobar Island, Andaman, India, Maldives, and Sri Lanka coastal areas. The animals in these areas are again showing strange behavior. The fishermen and their families this time are taking these signs seriously and are refusing to move near the ocean. The tribal people of Andaman Nicobar Island have again moved to the high grounds. The sea birds are also showing strange signals.

The UFO sightings happen at night with strange lights. The continuation of tremors of 6 or less Richter scale seems never ending. The ships traveling between India’s mainland and the Andaman-Nocobar Island as well commercial fishermen in Indian Ocean are reporting strange signals as well as jamming of their radio channels.



According to some experts, these are signs of possible experimentation with tectonic plates by some entity. People in Nicobar island complaints something is going on under the ocean – deep underground – many miles below the water surface.

The pattern of aftershocks is also strange. Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported. This time no pattern can be found. After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one. It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed. Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale. The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern. The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock.

A sailor in the Shipping Authority of India Limited who also sailed in transatlantic shipping routes says, this part of the Indian ocean resembles now Bermuda triangle region.

In Burmuda triangle part of Atlantic ocean manifest strange behavior and ships as well as aircrafts vanish.

But there is a difference. Here the disturbance seems to be coming from the tectonic plate levels.

One explanation can be some entity doing underground research with moving plates. It is known that some countries have research projects on creating artificial earthquakes. The other possibility is bizarre. Many in Indian coastal areas now believe that the UFO sighting before the Tsunami had something to do with the Tsunami.
What is really strange is that during low tide or any time when ocean recedes leaving a wider beach area, the sea birds have a feast on the fishes left in the beach. But these days the sea birds actually fly inland when this is happening. The number of wild animals in the coastal areas also has diminished. Why are animals not coming back to the ocean coastal areas? Are they sensing possibility of another Tsunami?

Experimentation or construction deep under the tectonic plates can cause mega earthquakes. Some have blamed deep drilling in the Indian ocean i for oil and Gas exploration by India, Bangladesh and Mayanmar. But these drillings are not that deep that can cause mega earthquakes.

[ucicare]

It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed.


Maybe that someone is Poseidon.
That would be more believable than anything else you presented.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/poseidon.html

What I find strange is that you would post something that cites nothing more than subjective observations by illiterate, superstitious people.
Stuff like this undermines your credibility.

Barry

[whipone]

Back under the table Barry.

[ucicare]

Does it seem odd to you Nursey that the article you posted is credited to a "staff reporter"?

Any credible article in any credible Newspaper has a byline. Failure to credit published work is the same as saying "this is trash".

Barry

[Dubya 2.0]

Journalist cum Shrink as well eh? Is there no end to your talents Bazza?

[ucicare]

Journalist cum Shrink as well eh? Is there no end to your talents Bazza?


Every man has limits. I am sure I will eventually find something that I can't do well. :)


Barry

[Nursey]

Sorry about the excessive use of highlighting in this post. The emphasis is to hinder any attempts by anyone to twist and distort facts.

Good to see Barreh open minded as ever. Have i posted this article with an announcement that it is conclusive proof of my suspicions and that in light of this information the subject is hereby concluded? All i've done is posted some information that ties in with my hypothesis. And as usual, rather than take it for what it's worth, (as straight, 'no frills' reporting {the type which would be the job of the 'staff reporter'} of observations made in the area from a variety of sources), Barry attempts to totally discredit it by whatever means available.
What I find strange is that you would post something that cites nothing more than subjective observations by illiterate, superstitious people.
Stuff like this undermines your credibility.
Nice to see your inherent racism rearing its ugly, bald head there! So anyone of 'ethnicity' is automatically illiterate and superstitious, including any "experts" and "geologists" that the article refers to? And ironically, it appears that the most 'illiterate, superstitious' people mentioned in the article are the ones who know best!
Whereas :
"The fishermen and their families this time are taking these signs seriously and are refusing to move near the ocean." (after having been caught by surprise before)
We learn....
"The tribal people of Andaman Nicobar Island have again moved to the high grounds."

During Tsunami Remote Viewing primitive tribes in Andaman Nicobar Islands of India moved to higher grounds – so did most animals (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-02-05.asp)


The rescue teams are observing some strange things as they are reaching these remote tribal areas for rescue and relief. While there is massive unbelievable devastation, the primitive tribes are relatively unaffected though most of them lived close by the ocean.
According to sources, these tribes moved to higher grounds. So did most animals during Tsunami in South and South-east Asia. The rescue teams are also finding interesting information from these untouched tribal people – they could view and hear the Tsunami coming and they moved to higher grounds way before the Tsunami came and earthquake shattered the islands
Indian Military with all high tech equipments and especially the Air Force lost a full base with hundreds of personnel in this catastrophe.

As a matter of fact another correlation is also interesting – the more primitive tribes moved out to the higher grounds days before the catastrophe.
Based on the reports we are receiving, Nicobarese who are most modern have lost the most in Car Nicobar and Nancowry group of islands. Very few of them sensed the incoming Tsunami. But the Shompens and Sentinelese who took some direct hit, lost little because of their remote viewing capabilities. They moved to higher grounds before.

According to some of the tribal leaders, earth communicates to them. And this time they could see it coming in their remote viewing periscopes.

Interestingly, in South and South east Asia which includes Andaman and Nicobar islands, it is now confirmed that animal bodies are not found because most of them moved to higher grounds days before the Tsunami came.

It seems if this correlation is anything close to correct, we may be gaining in so called “modern technologies” but we are losing in higher grounds of technical expertise, which may encompass spiritual science and paranormal technologies.
People are again reporting heavy UFO sighting in Nicobar Island, Andaman, India, Maldives, and Sri Lanka coastal areas.
The UFO sightings happen at night with strange lights.
I also left out the part of the article (on page two) which goes on to describe the theory of some ('illiterate, superstitious'?) locals who believe that the UFO's that are being seen are extra terrestrial in origin. Who can blame them? Not many people in the developed world know about scalar electromagnetics nevermind people from little islands in paradise. What else would you think if you kept seeing strange lights darting about the sky before and after such an event?


[http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/doom_weapons_1.htm]TESLA WEAPON TESTING IN THE OUTBACK?[/url]
In 1995, British born Geologist/Geophysicist, Harry Mason, stumbled across a strange, unaccountable earthquake which rumbled across the vast open spaces of Western Australia two years earlier.
The event took place at 11.03 p.m., on 28 May 1993 with an epi-centre close to Banjawarn sheep station in the Leonora-Laverton area - North-west of Perth. The event registered 3.7 on the Richter scale and was assumed to have been the first ever recorded quake in that part of Australia. Mason, who was very familiar with the region and it’s geological composition, was intrigued. Initially believing the tremor was the result of a meteorite impact, he set about gathering detailed data.
Eyewitnesses reported sighting a fireball trailing across the sky just minutes before the subsequent tremor. This was followed by a bright blue flash and shortly afterwards, by an earth tremor measuring 3.7 on the Richter scale. Shortly following this a“ large hemisphere of orange light, lined with a silverish glow, rose above the apparent blast site.”[xvii] Extra ordinarily ,the dome of light remained in place for two hours, and then rapidly vanished like “someone turning off a switch.”
Extensive interviews soon revealed to Mason,a number of major inconsistencies with his meteorite theory. For one thing the object was heard before it arrived overhead and clearly was moving at a sub-sonic speed. Aware that meteorites generally have entry speeds of around 25,000 mph, Mason was bemused.
In addition the object gave of “no sparks or other drop off fragments, and appeared to arc up over the observers before seeming to plunge down to the North.” Moreover, the fireball emitted
“a fiery spherical white-blue-yellow light…” and “…flew at relatively low altitude,” and “emitted a regular pulsed swooshing roar” similar to a Diesel freight train engine roar.
Some witnesses told Mason they thought they had observed a jumbo jet or plane crash. Subsequent flights over the estimated impact site revealed no crater or blast damage.
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Meanwhile, Geologist, Harry Mason, was gathering information that made him pause for thought. Intriguingly, just a few kilometres from Banjawarn, is a military facility located at Laverton. Mason says that press photo’s of this facility “are identical” to the Alaskan HAARP (High-frequency Active Aural Research Project) programme. HAARP has received intense media speculation in recent years, due to its Tesla-like research programme.
*********
As he continued his research, Mason began to gather a significant amount of additional data relating to what he terms “beam events.” These are bright beams of light that hang suspended from the sky, often for prolonged periods. He states that these include “orange beams, small bright white lights and vivid blue-white energy discharges” in the more uninhabited regions of Australia.
These also include observations of “diffuse orange energy ‘cylinders’ coming down and striking the ground, whilst clouds overhead light up with exotic colours.” These beams, some experts believe, are a clear “signature” of Scalar wave weapons.
In addition there have been other unexplained “fireball” events - notably a 1st May 1995 explosion above Perth, estimated to have been in excess of 1 megaton of TNT energy equivalence.



So what else was in the article you claim "cites nothing more than subjective observations by illiterate, superstitious people"? That God put George Bush into the Whitehouse? No. The 'superstitious' 'trash' goes on to state:


The animals in these areas are again showing strange behavior.

The sea birds are also showing strange signals.

The continuation of tremors of 6 or less Richter scale seems never ending.

The ships traveling between India’s mainland and the Andaman-Nocobar Island as well as commercial fishermen in the Indian Ocean are reporting strange signals as well as jamming of their radio channels.

According to some experts, these are signs of possible experimentation with tectonic plates by some entity.

The pattern of aftershocks is also strange.

Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported.

This time no pattern can be found.

After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one.

It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed.

Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale.

The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern.

The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock.

A sailor in the Shipping Authority of India Limited who also sailed in transatlantic shipping routes says, this part of the Indian ocean now resembles the Bermuda triangle region.

In Burmuda triangle part of Atlantic ocean manifest strange behavior and ships as well as aircrafts vanish.

But there is a difference. Here the disturbance seems to be coming from the tectonic plate levels.

One explanation can be some entity doing underground research with moving plates.

It is known that some countries have research projects on creating artificial earthquakes.

The other possibility is bizarre. Many in Indian coastal areas now believe that the UFO sighting before the Tsunami had something to do with the Tsunami.

What is really strange is that during low tide or any time when ocean recedes leaving a wider beach area, the sea birds have a feast on the fishes left in the beach. But these days the sea birds actually fly inland when this is happening. The number of wild animals in the coastal areas also has diminished. Why are animals not coming back to the ocean coastal areas? Are they sensing possibility of another Tsunami?

Experimentation or construction deep under the tectonic plates can cause mega earthquakes. Some have blamed deep drilling in the Indian ocean for oil and Gas exploration by India, Bangladesh and Mayanmar. But these drillings are not that deep that can cause mega earthquakes


Pretty goddamn whacky stuff those illiterate, superstitious, foreign-type staff-trashy reporters come up with! My credibility for passing on those cray-hay-zee observations is now in tatters! Or perhaps yours is Barry, for yet again outrightly attempting to discredit me or any information i present that threatens to disrupt the strict, steady rhythm of your glorious goosestepping.

[whipone]

We're all fucked.

[ucicare]

Good to see Barreh open minded as ever.

If by open minded you mean "brain exposed through a botched lobotomy" I will gladly remain closed minded. Please don't label me "close minded" just because I don't swallow your delusions.

Nice to see your inherent racism rearing its ugly, bald head there! So anyone of 'ethnicity' is automatically illiterate and superstitious, including any "experts" and "geologists" that the article refers to? And ironically, it appears that the most 'illiterate, superstitious' people mentioned in the article are the ones who know best!

The article mentioned no geologist, agency, or expert (other than noted quack Harry Mason) by name. That makes it suspect.

The "illiterate and superstitious people" I referred to would be the indigenous people that are have had little if any education and have little contact with the progressive world. I do not think that is racism, I think that is fact. For example, "the tribal people of Andaman Island", and "the primitive tribes" are quotes. See the next window [/quote]

According to some of the tribal leaders, earth communicates to them. And this time they could see it coming in their remote viewing periscopes.

Illiterate and superstitious, as applied to the above statement, is being kind. That kind of "proof" is silly.

British born Geologist/Geophysicist, Harry Mason.....


http://www.cheniere.org/misc/brightskies1.htm

Quoting Mr Mason certainly adds credibility. Isn't this the same whacko that claims that
1. Aum Supreme Truth sect detonated an atomic bomb in Australia?
2. The Oklahoma City Bombing was really an earthquake and metoer.
3. The Lockerbie crash was a meteor
4. TWA flight 800 was hit by a fireball from space.
5. All the terroist events including 9/11, are really directed at the Secret Service Agency because of their involvment in the drug trade.

He is an idiot, not a scientist. No scientist place 17 abbreviations after his name, and then has to explain what he really is as in HARRY MASON B.Sc., M.Sc., M.A.I.M.M., M.I.M.M., F.G.S. (Geologist-Geophysicist)


So what else was in the article you claim [i]"cites nothing more than subjective observations by illiterate, superstitious people"

So what else you ask?


The animals in these areas are again showing strange behavior. (subjective)

The sea birds are also showing strange signals. (subjective)

The continuation of tremors of 6 or less Richter scale seems never ending. ("seems" is very subjective. Seems by whom? By illiterate and superstitious people, that is who.)

The ships traveling between India’s mainland and the Andaman-Nocobar Island as well as commercial fishermen in the Indian Ocean are reporting strange signals as well as jamming of their radio channels. (ships can't report anything. The captain of the ship might. "strange signals" is subjective. "Jammed radios" is probably due to the huge amount of radio traffic in the area due to rescue efforts and loss of land based communications. Proves nothing.)

According to some experts, these are signs of possible experimentation with tectonic plates by some entity. (who are these experts? This is ridiculous)

The pattern of aftershocks is also strange. (no it is not. It is only strange if you choose to want it to be.)

Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported. (How normal is the third largest earthquake in the past 100 years? This earthquake behaves exactly like all other major quakes)

This time no pattern can be found. (No surprise here. Aftershocks are random events and have never been know to follow patterens)

After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one. It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed. (superstition.)

Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale. The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern. (duh, there usually is no pattern)

The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock. (does this really need a comment?)

A sailor in the Shipping Authority of India Limited who also sailed in transatlantic shipping routes says, this part of the Indian ocean now resembles the Bermuda triangle region. (a sailor -subjective as it gets. And how does the Bermuda triangle look?)

In Burmuda triangle part of Atlantic ocean manifest strange behavior and ships as well as aircrafts vanish. (quality journaism here)

But there is a difference. Here the disturbance seems to be coming from the tectonic plate levels. (seems - again subjective)

One explanation can be some entity doing underground research with moving plates. (superstition - an unknown force manipulating nature)

It is known that some countries have research projects on creating artificial earthquakes. (well, theres the proof!)

The other possibility is bizarre. Many in Indian coastal areas now believe that the UFO sighting before the Tsunami had something to do with the Tsunami. (damn right it is bizarre. Superstitious too.)

What is really strange is that during low tide or any time when ocean recedes leaving a wider beach area, the sea birds have a feast on the fishes left in the beach. But these days the sea birds actually fly inland when this is happening. The number of wild animals in the coastal areas also has diminished. Why are animals not coming back to the ocean coastal areas? Are they sensing possibility of another Tsunami? (subjective BS, also very superstitious. It is common for people to expec a repeat of a disaster in the weeks and months afterward.

[ucicare]

I don't know why this part didn't post with the reply above.


So what else was in the article you claim [i]"cites nothing more than subjective observations by illiterate, superstitious people"

So what else you ask?


The animals in these areas are again showing strange behavior. (subjective)

The sea birds are also showing strange signals. (subjective)

The continuation of tremors of 6 or less Richter scale seems never ending. ("seems" is very subjective. Seems by whom? By illiterate and superstitious people, that is who.)

The ships traveling between India’s mainland and the Andaman-Nocobar Island as well as commercial fishermen in the Indian Ocean are reporting strange signals as well as jamming of their radio channels. (ships can't report anything. The captain of the ship might. "strange signals" is subjective. "Jammed radios" is probably due to the huge amount of radio traffic in the area due to rescue efforts and loss of land based communications. Proves nothing.)

According to some experts, these are signs of possible experimentation with tectonic plates by some entity. (who are these experts? This is ridiculous)

The pattern of aftershocks is also strange. (no it is not. It is only strange if you choose to want it to be.)

Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported. (How normal is the third largest earthquake in the past 100 years? This earthquake behaves exactly like all other major quakes)

This time no pattern can be found. (No surprise here. Aftershocks are random events and have never been know to follow patterens)

After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one. It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed. (superstition.)

Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale. The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern (duh, there usually is no pattern)

The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock. (does this really need a comment?)

A sailor in the Shipping Authority of India Limited who also sailed in transatlantic shipping routes says, this part of the Indian ocean now resembles the Bermuda triangle region. (a sailor -subjective as it gets. And how does the Bermuda triangle look?)

In Burmuda triangle part of Atlantic ocean manifest strange behavior and ships as well as aircrafts vanish. (quality journaism here)

But there is a difference. Here the disturbance seems to be coming from the tectonic plate levels. (seems - again subjective)

One explanation can be some entity doing underground research with moving plates. (superstition - an unknown force manipulating nature)

It is known that some countries have research projects on creating artificial earthquakes. (well, theres the proof!)

The other possibility is bizarre. Many in Indian coastal areas now believe that the UFO sighting before the Tsunami had something to do with the Tsunami. (damn right it is bizarre. Superstitious too.)

What is really strange is that during low tide or any time when ocean recedes leaving a wider beach area, the sea birds have a feast on the fishes left in the beach. But these days the sea birds actually fly inland when this is happening. The number of wild animals in the coastal areas also has diminished. Why are animals not coming back to the ocean coastal areas? Are they sensing possibility of another Tsunami? (subjective BS, also very superstitious. It is common for people to expect a repeat of a disaster in the weeks and months afterward.


Barry

[pimpchichi]

barry man, work on your presentation.. :?

[ucicare]

barry man, work on your presentation.. :?

I could not get it to preview or to do what it should. It left off half the post, and then underlined. I haven't had problems before, so I think it was a problem (temporary?) with the board.

Or it could have been a conspiracy between you and Fugly to censor my replies so that you all can proceed on your quest to conquer America through subversive tactics by discouraging me and making me look foolish and twisting my answers and letting others post before me so that what I post looks silly and then the earthqquake thing and don't forget that the CIA and the KGB are the same thing except on days that end in "Y" and then they are not unless Jupiter is in retrograde and the mushrooms are fermented in the stove top where I keep the keys to the secret box where the launch codes to all the US based nuclear missiles are hidden in plain sight for everyone and the kids to see that there is no way that things happen by chance because there is a big fat grinch that really controls everything that is not an illusion but because everything really is an illusion, the Grinch is not real either just like the fiction that Nursey post most of the time about the everything so there is the reason that my posts looked bad.

Oh, and by the way, Nursey told me when she has sex with you, the only way she can enjoy it is if she thinks of me. :wink:


Barry :)

[whipone]

Oh, and by the way, Nursey told me when she has sex with you, the only way she can enjoy it is if she thinks of me. :wink:


Barry :)

That is so hot!

[pimpchichi]

Oh, and by the way, Nursey told me when she has sex with you, the only way she can enjoy it is if she thinks of me. :wink:

wow thats pretty fucking uncanny barry.. i haven't wanted to mention it before now out of respect.. but i too have had dreams of conversing with YOUR female half!! ....though admittedly i did have to tactfully fend off her advances because i wouldn't want to go sloppy seconds to a dachsund.. not even in a dream...

p.s. i know you say you're new to this forum thing... so i'll give you a pointer... the common retort would probably involve you, my mother, and prostitution... ...

[pimpchichi]

though admittedly i did have to tactfully fend off her advances because i wouldn't want to go sloppy seconds to a dachsund.. not even in a dream...

it has come to my attention that i have given the impression that i would in fact accept a proposition from your wife if she had not been at the time fornicating with fido... i must apologise for this barry because it is not the case... sorry for any offense caused :oops:

[Nursey]

As usual, Barry can't resist twisting things. What i actually said was that as Pimp and i grind our way towards simultaneous orgasm, my mind is flooded with a torrent of images... of electric chairs, large cattle prods, straightjackets and state penitentiaries... but the bit which always tips me over the edge...Barrehhh :o leaping out from between my ass cheeks, screaming at me at the top of his lungs (with his mouth gaping wide open bearing lots of sharp, pointy little teeth) while shutting a prison cell gate on me. I usually have such a sharp, firey orgasm that i dementedly spring about on the bed with my back fully arched for a minute or so until a small seizure brings me twitching ecstatically back down to earth again. No big deal.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/nursey/barrehhh.jpg

[Nursey]

The article mentioned no geologist, agency, or expert (other than noted quack Harry Mason) by name. That makes it suspect.
Are you deliberately attempting to confuse things here? You quoted me responding to your comments about the first article i posted a couple of days ago in this series of exchanges, not the one about Harry Mason which came from a different source and was only posted today. I'd hardly be quoting comments of yours on an article which at that point you hadn't yet seen.

The "illiterate and superstitious people" I referred to would be the indigenous people that are have had little if any education and have little contact with the progressive world.
As did i, but the article drew its information from a variety of sources, including geologists and commercial fishermen. But why bother with a small detail like that, eh?

Quoting Mr Mason certainly adds credibility. He is an idiot, not a scientist.
I only quoted that story as an example of UFO sightings being associated with possible scalar electromagnetics. If that source lacks credibility in your eyes, i'll find another.

As for the rest of your post...i'm not going to waste my time going through each individual point. After all, i already said that this is not intended as proof of any sort and that it should be taken 'for what it's worth'. If you didn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to anything that doesn't fit your preordained opinions on things then we'd actually be able to discuss the information i post in a constructive, thought provoking way. But then again, that would get pretty bloody boring eventually.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/rolleyes.gif

[Nursey]

Actually, i'll post as far as i'd got before deciding to ditch it. I got sick of clarifying then reclarifying everything because of Barry's inability to control his prejudices.





(subjective) - maybe, maybe not.
(subjective) - ditto
("seems" is very subjective. Seems by whom? By illiterate and superstitious people, that is who.) - arrogant, presumptuous
(ships can't report anything. The captain of the ship might. "strange signals" is subjective. "Jammed radios" is probably due to the huge amount of radio traffic in the area due to rescue efforts and loss of land based communications. Proves nothing.) - possibley. But nobody said it proved anything.
(who are these experts? This is ridiculous) - obviously only the 'staff reporter' can answer that. But i'm pretty sure it won't be some illiterate, superstitious witch doctor that's being referred to.
(no it is not. It is only strange if you choose to want it to be.) - how do you know? Are you also an expert in the field of geology, have you also been closely tracking and logging the events? It is only not strange if you choose you don't want it to be with no first hand knowledge if you are arrogantly dismissing it straightout.
(How normal is the third largest earthquake in the past 100 years? This earthquake behaves exactly like all other major quakes) - well apparently not to the experts!
(No surprise here. Aftershocks are random events and have never been know to follow patterens) - really? I look forward to seeing some evidence to back that up. Can you provide any?
(superstition.) - arrogance
(duh, there usually is no pattern) - evidence please
(does this really need a comment?) - well i'm sure it'll all become clear why that is so irrelevant once you've provided us with the information i requested to back up your claims.
(a sailor -subjective as it gets. And how does the Bermuda triangle look?) - subjective, perhaps, but worth a mention all the same. I remember years ago reading that the area known as the Bermuda triangle has an unusual surface / waves. I'll look the info up.

[ucicare]

but the bit which always tips me over the edge...Barrehhh


:D

At my age, just knowing that is enough to keep me going for another month.


Barrehhh

[ucicare]

Are you also an expert in the field of geology...

Uh, as a matter of fact, yes.


(Barry writes - No surprise here. Aftershocks are random events and have never been know to follow patterns) Nursey replies - really? I look forward to seeing some evidence to back that up. Can you provide any?

Uh, as a matter of fact, yes.

Background Information About Aftershocks

Like most earthquakes, the recent earthquake is expected to be followed by numerous aftershocks. Aftershocks are additional earthquakes that occur after the mainshock........Aftershocks tend to occur near the mainshock, but the exact geographic pattern of the aftershocks varies from earthquake to earthquake and is not predictable.

See full article from a fairly reputable source - The National Seismic Network at Cal-Berkley
http://www.cisn.org/special/evt.04.09.28/nc51147892.afterwarn.html

Barry

[whipone]

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/OffTopic/holyshit-wrong_forum.jpg

[ucicare]

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/logo-4.jpg



This seems makes sense to somebody, and it seems appropriate for this thread.

Barry

[Nursey]

An expert you say?

Aftershocks are also interesting because they're fairly well behaved—meaning that they have a detectable pattern, unlike all other quakes. The definition that scientists use for an aftershock is any seismic event occurring within one rupture-zone length of a main shock and within the time it takes for seismicity to fall off to what it was before the main shock.

This body of quakes fits three mathematical rules, more or less. The first is the Gutenberg-Richter relation, which says that as you go down one magnitude unit in size, you get about ten times as many aftershocks. The second is called Bath's law, which says that the largest aftershock is, on average, 1.2 magnitude units smaller than the main shock. And finally, Omori's law states that aftershock frequency decreases by roughly the reciprocal of time after the main shock.
Source (http://geology.about.com/cs/eq_hazards/a/aa011898a.htm)

[ucicare]

An expert you say?

Aftershocks are also interesting because they're fairly well behaved—meaning that they have a detectable pattern, unlike all other quakes. The definition that scientists use for an aftershock is any seismic event occurring within one rupture-zone length of a main shock and within the time it takes for seismicity to fall off to what it was before the main shock.

This body of quakes fits three mathematical rules, more or less. The first is the Gutenberg-Richter relation, which says that as you go down one magnitude unit in size, you get about ten times as many aftershocks. The second is called Bath's law, which says that the largest aftershock is, on average, 1.2 magnitude units smaller than the main shock. And finally, Omori's law states that aftershock frequency decreases by roughly the reciprocal of time after the main shock.
Source (http://geology.about.com/cs/eq_hazards/a/aa011898a.htm)

From the same article you quoted above - "So seismologists can advise the authorities immediately after a large earthquake that a certain area can expect x probabilities of aftershocks of y sizes for z period of time. That's as good a forecast as we can make, and probably the best possible given that earthquakes are inherently unpredictable."

Aftershocks may follow certain patterns that are unique to each event. You will notice that aftershocks can occur for years after a major quake. The article you quote speaks of "probabilities" not patterns. The original article that started this thread states that "no pattern could be established", "and somebody must be controlling the aftershocks."

My point is that aftershock "patterns" are vague and general, not precise. To declare after just a few weeks that "no pattern is emerging" is BS. To surmise that "somebody" is controlling them is paranoia and insanity combined.

The only seismic events that follow patterns closely are geysers such as "old faithful" in Yellowstone Park. Even "Old Faithful" fails to erupt on schedule sometimes. When it comes to seismic activity, the Earth does as it damn well pleases.

Barry

[Nursey]

From the same article you quoted above - "So seismologists can advise the authorities immediately after a large earthquake that a certain area can expect x probabilities of aftershocks of y sizes for z period of time. That's as good a forecast as we can make, and probably the best possible given that earthquakes are inherently unpredictable."

Yes...no exact details can be given, but a general pattern can be found. I believe that is what is meant by 'fairly well behaved'.
Aftershocks may follow certain patterns that are unique to each event. You will notice that aftershocks can occur for years after a major quake. The article you quote speaks of "probabilities" not patterns.
No, it mentions patterns. "Aftershocks are also interesting because they're fairly well behaved-meaning that they have a detectable pattern, unlike all other quakes."

The original article that started this thread states that "no pattern could be established", "and somebody must be controlling the aftershocks."

Well here is what it actually says:
The pattern of aftershocks is also strange. Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported*. This time no pattern can be found. After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one. It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed. Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale. The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern. The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock.
*This body of quakes fits three mathematical rules, more or less. The first is the Gutenberg-Richter relation, which says that as you go down one magnitude unit in size, you get about ten times as many aftershocks.

My point is that aftershock "patterns" are vague and general, not precise. To declare after just a few weeks that "no pattern is emerging" is BS.
The article i posted which specifically deals with the subject of aftershocks never said they were exact or precise, but did say that aftershocks can be generally calculated using any one of three mathematical equations. In other words, a general pattern can be detected.
To surmise that "somebody" is controlling them is paranoia and insanity combined.
Well if the geologists who are closely monitoring the aftershocks find that they are behaving so unusually that they can be described as seeming to be controlled, then that should be enough to, not prove anything, but to warrant closer inspection and analysis...
And considering how poorly your 'professional' opinion faired when it came to profiling me...in the area of expertise that you are employed in, i'd rather not trust your 'professional' opinion on this either, *ahem* 'Dr.' Swope...

[ucicare]

And considering how poorly your 'professional' opinion faired when it came to profiling me...in the area of expertise that you are employed in, i'd rather not trust your 'professional' opinion on this either, *ahem* 'Dr.' Swope...



Here is an interesting string to cut and google. DSM IV 301.22 Cluster A

I like the European version even better -
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe03.html

I am not a Doctor, so I can't diagnose. You should probably seek a professional opinion if you have questions concerning a diagnosis.

Barry

[DrBungle]

I bet Nursey types super fast.

[Nursey]

And considering how poorly your 'professional' opinion faired when it came to profiling me...in the area of expertise that you are employed in, i'd rather not trust your 'professional' opinion on this either, *ahem* 'Dr.' Swope...



Here is an interesting string to cut and google. DSM IV 301.22 Cluster A

I like the European version even better -
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe03.html

I am not a Doctor, so I can't diagnose. You should probably seek a professional opinion if you have questions concerning a diagnosis.

Barry

Yeah whatever, Barry. Me and William Cohen might even get placed in adjacent padded cells!

I bet Nursey types super fast
I need to consult my lawyers before responding to the above post. :|

[Nursey]

Andaman quakes leave seismologists worried (http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13658319)


Friday, 28 January , 2005, 17:54

Mumbai: Unusual events "unheard of in the history of seismology" have been recorded in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, with more than 120 such events being recorded in the last one month, according to seismologists.

The seismology department of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre and the Earth Sciences Department of the Indian Institute of Technology here have recorded over 120 such unusual events in the islands following the December 26 earthquake measuring 8.9 on the Richter scale that triggered tsunamis which wreaked havoc in several parts of the country.

Of these events recorded at BARC's Gouribidnur station in Karnataka, at least over 33 events were above 5 on the Richter scale, they said, adding "this is unusual and alarming as large amount of energy is being released so frequently."

Eleven events with surface wave of magnitude 5, indicating large amount of energy close to Nicobar Islands was also recorded, the seismologists said.

"Since yesterday, 16 events which range from 5.2 to 5.8 on the Richter scale have been recorded," they said.

"Whether these events are foreshocks or aftershocks - it is not clear, and has to be taken up seriously and the data analysed as fast as possible," the scientists said.

"Both `strike slip and `dip slip are taking place simultaneously and these factors have to be taken very seriously both by scientists and authorities," they added.

See also: 'Unheard Of' Seismic Events Continues In Quake Areas (http://www.rense.com/general62/quakes.htm)

[Nursey]

Strange occurences noted before the Asian earthquake...
Tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Puzzling vibrations baffle researchers (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/10/MNGJRA9UQA1.DTL)
David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Friday, December 10, 2004

Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake- prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, far below the region where earthquakes normally strike -- and scientists say they can't understand what's happening or what the motions mean.

Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations closely. But whether the faint underground tremors -- termed "chatter" by some seismologists -- portend an increased likelihood of a major quake in the area is an unsolved puzzle.

Robert Nadeau, a geophysicist at the UC Berkeley Seismological Laboratory, has charted more than 110 of the faint vibrations since they were first detected by the lab's High Resolution Seismic Network in Parkfield three years ago. What concerns Nadeau and his colleagues is that the epicenter of the great 1857 Fort Tejon earthquake, whose magnitude has been estimated at 7.8 to 8, was located almost exactly where the deep tremors are now occurring -- beneath the San Luis Obispo County village of Cholame, some 17 miles south of Parkfield.

The episodes of chatter last from four to 20 minutes and are being recorded from as deep as 40 miles beneath the surface -- up to four times the depth of normal earthquakes, which originate in what scientists call the "seismogenic zone." That zone reaches no deeper than 9 or 10 miles below the Earth's surface.

What's most striking is that deep tremors like the Cholame series have never been recorded before on a strike-slip fault such as the San Andreas, Nadeau said.

"We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's no evidence of volcanism and no seismic waves typical of ordinary earthquakes."

Nadeau and David Dolenc, a graduate student in his lab, are publishing the first report on the mysterious sequence of deep tremors today in Science Express, the online edition of the journal Science. They conclude that "future increases in San Andreas Fault tremor activity may signal periods of increased probability for the next large earthquake on the Cholame segment."

Similar deep tremors have been detected recently along the coast of the Pacific Northwest, known as the Cascadia Subduction Zone, as well as in Japan -- and there, too, scientists are struggling to understand what their import is. In those areas, giant slabs of the earth's crust are dipping downward and sliding ponderously beneath other great crustal slabs, and scientists believe that fluids -- most likely seabed water saturating the slabs -- are causing the tremors, according to Herbert Dragert of Canada's Geological Survey in British Columbia and Kazushige Obara of Japan's National Research Institute for Earth Science and Disaster Prevention.

In an interview, Dragert said the tremors appear to add stress to a major thrust fault in the Puget Sound region, and that scientists in Canada and Washington are trying to determine whether the tremors might "play a significant role in triggering great earthquakes."

In California, the most mystifying feature of the unexplained tremors is that they are occurring right on the deepest part of the San Andreas -- a fault that does not involve subduction or volcanic activity. Instead, two sides of the earth's crust are sliding horizontally past each other in a motion seismologists call "right-lateral strike slip." In an earthquake, that slip can be an abrupt jolt, and in big quakes, a violent one.

The tremors are occurring at such great depth, Nadeau said, that they must be at the very bottom of the brittle crust -- where the earth's hot, viscous upper mantle begins -- which has been under stress for millions of years.

It's possible that the mantle there resembles something like Silly Putty, Nadeau said, with great chunks of embedded rock grinding against each other to generate the tremor signals. That's purely a speculation, Nadeau conceded, but so far it's the only one around.

"No one really knows what the tremors mean," said David Schwartz, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park. "As to what they imply for the possibility of some future quake, we can't tell, and right now we can only wait and see."

169 Whale, Dolphin Strandings in New Zealand, Australia (http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10209&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported)

November 30, 2004

SYDNEY, Australia (Reuters) -- Scientists and wildlife officials continued to search on Tuesday for what may have caused a series of mass strandings which left 169 whales and dolphins dead on Australian and New Zealand beaches in the past three days.
Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy? (http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported)

Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seismic activity, but there has been a series of events which led up to the 9.0 earthquake of the coast of Indonesia which can not be ignored. This all could be an enormous coincidence, but one must look at the information and choose for themselves whether there is anything to it.
On November 28th, one month ago, Reuters reported that during a 3 day span 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island of the southern coast of mainland Australia and in New Zealand. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said "sound bombing" or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings recently.

[ucicare]

Nursey seems to like rense.com.

After reading the article below from rense.com, I think I like it too.

http://www.rense.com/general62/destroy.htm


Barry

[Nursey]

It's a useful round up of interesting news and views from both alternative and mainstream sources. I don't agree with everything i read there. And stop changing the subject please.

[ucicare]

It's a useful round up of interesting news and views from both alternative and mainstream sources. I don't agree with everything i read there. And stop changing the subject please.

Can't you see that I am trying to be reasonably nice? Give me a little credit here. One of my New Years resolutions was to stop being so nice and "touchy feely" as you describe me.
http://www.fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6199

Ohhhh I hate you Nursey. (not really, you know the code) :)

....and what was the subject again?

Barry

[Nursey]

....and what was the subject again?

Ok. I'll come clean. I type at the rate of about 120 words per minute. Using two fingers. So COME THEN, you angry rabble...STRING me up and CRUCIFY me...take PICTURES of it next to ~Barrehhhhhhhh~ giving the 'thumbs up' sign and POST THEM...i don't care!!!!! I don't care!!!!! I don't caaaaaaaaaaare!!!!!

[ucicare]

I don't care!!!!! I don't care!!!!! I don't caaaaaaaaaaare!!!!!

If you didn't care, you wouldn't post. I don't want you to stop caring, or even to stop posting or trying to change things in the world. Just be rational about things. A lot of what you post and say is valid. It is just that the bizarre stuff discounts the valid stuff.

There are enough legitimate complains in the world to keep us all busy. We don't need wild fantasies of man made mega-earthquakes to muddy the river of real problems in the world.

Barry

[Dubya 2.0]

Without wishing to sound sycophantic... well said Barry.

[Nursey]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't post.

Yes Barry. That's why it was said in humour. About something far removed from the thread's topic (it wasn't an analogy of some sort you know?).

There are enough legitimate complains in the world to keep us all busy. We don't need wild fantasies of man made mega-earthquakes to muddy the river of real problems in the world.

Unfortunately, the information i have gathered so far suggests that 'man made mega-earthquakes' are not confined within the realms of 'wild fantasy'. And i am, very rational...i am not the one who discounts hard, verifiable facts in favour of views that take their greatest strength from the sheer numbers who adhere to them, coupled with a highly impartial authority figure's stamp of approval.

Without wishing to sound sycophantic... well said Barry.
Firstly, i don't have a problem with a difference in opinion. However, for someone who used to be so openly appreciative of my contributions and who i considered to be a friend to come out against me three times in the space of a couple of weeks (both here and at lotf) with what appears to be snidey little digs, i can't help but wonder what i've done to warrant such a noticeable change. What's your gripe?

[Dubya 2.0]

Firstly, i don't have a problem with a difference in opinion. However, for someone who used to be so openly appreciative of my contributions and who i considered to be a friend to come out against me three times in the space of a couple of weeks (both here and at lotf) with what appears to be snidey little digs, i can't help but wonder what i've done to warrant such a noticeable change. What's your gripe?

None kidder, I'm a grumpy bastard sometimes... I don't write them as 'dig's I think It's prolly more a case that they appear to be 'digs' is all.

Make friends, make friends never ever break friends?

*offers half-cocked little finger*

[pimpchichi]

*~appears imperceptibly, positioned between dubya's advancing digit and the disgruntled truthologist, intercepts the offered finger and checks for pinkyringpoison devices~*

it's ok.. he's clean... but don't get too close ma'am.. remember that he's named himself after the world reviled chickenhawk of USa Inc.

[Nursey]

*offers half-cocked little finger*

LOOK! He's doing it AGAIN!!! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/pimpchichi/cam/guantanamoashtray.jpg). Just can't help yourself, you scornful little bitch! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/pimpchichi/cam/hmmph.gif

[ucicare]

Another gem from the Barking Moonbat page.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

[Nursey]

Change my mind? It isn't made up. I have suspicions, but my options remain open. Unlike you.