Good Fire Hit Him

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good_fire_hit_him - http://www.fugly.com/media/download.php?cat=MOVIES&id=2349
good_fire_hit_him_original - http://www.fugly.com/media/download.php?cat=MOVIES&id=2389

I received this email from some guy named Barry a week or so ago:

First, I think that you are a good guy. I am not trying to be critical.

The video in question has been the center of a huge controversy, and is used by anti-American (aka French Bastards)to "prove" that Americans committed major atrocities in Iraq and to justify their yellow bellowed refusal to do their part.

I just think giving it any bandwidth serves to perpetuate the myth that this war was unneccesary and that America is a nation of bloodlusts.

See a full videos here - (edited: links to both videos are at the beginning of this thread.)

And some commentary -
THE APACHE VIDEO, BACK AGAIN
Europeans are angry today apparently about the Iraq "helicopter video." I had thought everyone had seen this by now... I think I first saw it back in January. It's already aired on ABC, for that matter: just typical gun camera footage of an Apache doing its business, no context... showing graphically how, with FLIR, you can run, but can't hide at night. If you haven't seen it it's nothing a computer sim gamer can't imagine.

UPDATE: Some people are saying, once again, that this is some kind of atrocity. But I can't see the full video supporting that... the full video (which I've only found so far in .avi) shows quite clearly a guy driving up in a pickup truck to a waiting farm truck on the edge of a field, furtively running out into a field, and dropping a four-foot long cylinder, by all appearances an RPG wrapped in a blanket (he can carry it easily in one hand, so it's probably not a SAM) in the path of a tractor working the same field (at night?) He and the farm truck's driver then wait around for the guy in the tractor to get close to pick it up, at which point the partial video linked above picks up. When shots start coming in, the pickup driver starts frantically unwrapping the cylinder.

It plays entirely like a weapons transfer from one insurgent to another, using the pastoral farming scene as cover. It's hard to imagine a scenario where all three dead men didn't at least know what was going on. (I'm told the action took place Dec. 1, north of Baghdad, in case anyone's wondering as to the provenance.) There's no way, given the way the guy is looking about and minimizing his time holding or near the cylinder, that it's anything normal, like the tractor driver's lunch, or a farm implement, say... and if you've looking at a RPG-sized object that people are obviously trying to hide, I believe it is reasonable to conclude the worst.

I told barry that, once I got ahold of the original, I'd post both versions along with his email to see what other people think.

So, what do you think is the real story? Is this some kind of an atrocity or no? How do you feel about the edited "popup video" version? Do you think it's simply propagandistic heart-string tugging or not?

[Nursey]

Starts off sounding quite reasonable...

"First, I think that you are a good guy. I am not trying to be critical. "

...but then descends into the sort of rabid, cliched typecasting which comes out the mouth of every brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S. variety that i come across all over the net.

"The video in question has been the center of a huge controversy, and is used by anti-American (aka French Bastards)to "prove" that Americans committed major atrocities in Iraq and to justify their yellow bellowed refusal to do their part.

As soon as anyone resorts to that bullshit you know they're not thinking for themselves.
Notice also,i don't resort to calling him a piece of Yankee shit eating scum to make my point. I don't need to, i have truth on my side.

I'm too tired to comment much on the details of the footage itself, though as i recall, the U.S. soldiers turned an already fallen and injured human (who, along with the others killed wore a long arab style tunic...not the typical garb of fighters, which also suggests that they were, in fact farmers as has been widely claimed) into a large, exploded splat of white as it appeared in the thermal imaging footage.

[canine_STD]

As soon as anyone resorts to that bullshit you know they're not thinking for themselves.
But if he had predicted the end of civilisation, would you have thought he was an open-minded enlightened individual?

Notice also,i don't resort to calling him a piece of Yankee shit eating scum to make my point.
Yeah, but you did descend into a "sort of rabid, cliched typecasting" when you called him a "brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S."

So is the popup version propaganda? Of course it is, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Basically, even if that cylinder is a weapon, no one was holding it when they opened fire. So the men were unarmed at the time. International Law requires that enemy combatants are given the oportunity to surrender, so firing at someone who is waving a rag is a war crime, so is firing on someone who to the best of your knowledge is unarmed and hiding under a truck.

[pimpchichi]

so you would say that anyone who accuses a critic of the actions of the US in the 'war on terror' of being anti-american is open minded and enlightened?...

[unlimited-time]

This is the first time i have seen either of these clips.When i saw the first "propaganda" clip i was in no doubt in what i saw or thought.It was clear these guys had been fired on without any reason.
Then i watched the second clip with tells a different story, i still don't believe there was good enough reason to open fire and kill them.They must have been able to fire a few warning shots to get them to surrender.I can understand that solders in Irag are under a huge strain and are constantly in fear for their lives so being a bit trigger happy is maybe understandable, but this was as Canine said against International Law.
I don't think the man "waving the cloth" was actually waving a cloth, it looked like he was unwrapping whatever he had in the cloth as fast as he could to retaliate and prevent his butt being shot to pieces like the other guy.
I've never agreed with the war and the reasons behind us invading the country as far as i can see are a load of old bollox.People are dieing for oil which to me is unforgivable.ANd before someone jumps down my throat and screams Saddam Hussein tortured and murdered many of his people and he had WoMD.Yes i agree he was a nasty bastard but so are many leaders in this world at the moment who are doing 100x more barbaric things to their people, why are we not invading them?There are also other countries who are a threat and who we know for a fact have WoMD why have we not invaded them?
I don't believe anything i read anymore in papers or on the internet i have to go with what i feel.Both sides are a bad as each other for making propaganda, but we've made a rod for our own back with this war,it seems very much like Northen Irland ( as in the way the people in the country feel) and look how long that has been going on for.The people of Irag who believe the war was wrong and don't want us in there will not just give up , they won't just all be killed there's too many, look how little Northen Irland is compared with Iraq and look how much trouble we in the UK have had and it is still going on today.

[ucicare]

Dang Mr Nursey, If you can't attack the point, attack the person.

Whether I am unenlightened, stupid, and stereotypical is not the point. The point is that this video is edited - important facts eliminated - and presented to the world with the express purpose of undermining the efforts of the United States. Editing of this type is base dishonesty.

It angers me when people attempt to deceive me, and it angers me when my intelligence is insulted. This edited clip does both.

I would never hide from the truth. The truth is the Apache crew in this video "finished off" a wounded human. Any action such as that goes against the grain of common decency at best, and is a war crime at worst.

I would never say that the US is perfect in what it does. I know that atrocities occur in war, and that innocent people die because of decisions made by the leaders of this country.

The point is this - What actually occurred in this video may or may not be a war crime. What is important to remember is that this country considers certain actions on the battlefield to be CRIMES. It is not the policy of this country to kill helpless, defenseless people, despite the best efforts of the editors to make you think otherwise.

Manipulating, editing, misquoting, partial answers, cropped pictures, and one sided testimonies are not the full story. Be angry when someone tries to change the way you believe by deception.

Barry

[Robman97]

Manipulating, editing, misquoting, partial answers, cropped pictures, and one sided testimonies are not the full story. Be angry when someone tries to change the way you believe by deception.


Damn you just named everyone of Micheal Moores techniques. I hate when I get presented with purley and obviously biased information. Someone is lying all the time, who it is at the given moment is something I haven't the energy to find out. The truth is out there, but it depends on who you believe. She can't persuaded me to believe I live in a horrendous country ran by War criminals, whereas I can't and won't try to persuaded her that Bush is a good guy.

[smiles]

barry as enlightened as you may try to be you have to understand the task you are undertaking when you try to dismiss war crimes... especially by the perpetrators and aggressors of a war... as nothing but common factuality’s of conflict, i am assuming you’ve never been in a war, i have, I’m assuming you've never been shot at, i have, i am assuming you've never had to flee your home and two weeks later every member of your ethnicity was wiped out in that region, never have you lost a family member because of western favoritism in internal national matters, you've never had cluster bombs dropped on your neighborhood nor have you had your people passed off ass sadists and rapists so please don't teach curriculum you're unfamiliar with, as much as all americans claim to understand the pain of war they couldn't grasp an inkling of what war is so please stick to talking about sports and pussy because you're a little out of your league here

"Manipulating, editing, misquoting, partial answers, cropped pictures, and one sided testimonies are not the full story. Be angry when someone tries to change the way you believe by deception."

ever watch CNN? yes? why haven't u shot up a city block then?

[ucicare]

Help me smiles - when did I ever try to "dismiss" war crimes?

Once again for the record - I believe war crimes should be prosecuted, not dismissed.

My original concern had to do with giving bandwidth to an edited lie of a videoclip. Can't we agree that it is wrong to present half truths as fact?

Can you give an opinion on the topic and not simply attack me?

Peace already!

Barry

[smiles]

"I know that atrocities occur in war, and that innocent people die because of decisions made by the leaders of this country. "

by accepting the slaughter of non-combatants as mere collateral damage caused by a highly stressful environment and write it off as unavoidable to me is a dismissal of such occurrences as unfortunate statistics, yet that would only be a semi-valid argument if the conflict in question were itself virtually unavoidable, but to pick a different sovereign nation to bomb every fucking presidential term should make the world and you wonder..... i don't have the energy to provide for you countless data collected by independent european agencies on the US and it's global indiscretions but suffice it to say i despise the purposeful altering of evidence (a clear example of which was provided above) but what you must admit to is the wealth of fraudulent data distributed by the US on a virtually daily bases to the american populace simply to appease their fanatical nationalism and dull their natural born wit

[ucicare]

Smiles - you ramble like a madman. Go back and s-l-o-w-l-y read what the REAL issue is. You miss the point.

America might really be Satan. I've never met him in person, so I can't say for sure. (I almost married his sister though :twisted: ) What I can say for sure is that I am trying to talk about a whacked up video, not about whether what was done was right or wrong.

Maybe your glasses needs to be wiped a little. They appear to be covered with the blood of your people, through which you can't see anything but a corrupt America.

What about the editing of the VIDEO, Smiles? Is biased editing justified in your mind?


Barry

[smiles]

"i despise the purposeful altering of evidence (a clear example of which was provided above)

maybe if you pass me YOUR glasses...

[Dr.Roboto]

point is every part of the media is biased in some sense. newspaper, tv, internet, magazines ect. not much has changed in the past 50 years on how the government treats the way it presents its information. one of the only things that has changed is how information is passed upon the people. the 40s had letters, daily new papers, radio broadcasts, and propaganda movies and word of mouth. in the 70s the new advances in technology alowed video recordings to be broadcasted into millions of homes with cheaper affordable television sets. images of war and death glowing in the eyes of television viewers. if you wernt with the US you were communist or faciast , a hippi. now if you doubt the government your unpatriotic. what could be more patriotic than expressing your feelings using the right given too you. but even those have been limited buy quickly enacted bills and laws. parinoia sweeps the nation with every one buying guns and gas maskes, bullets and ration. racism blankets the country. the evil muslims cause this and that, fuckin rag heads go back, damn spics taking the jobs, lazy ass niggers taking the welfare, fuckin chinks cant drive. last time i checked this country was a land of immagrents, the melting pot of the world, where you went to make something of your self, where it didnt matter what class you came from weather you were female or male. so what happen to this land of tolerance? or is it a utopia? the world has become a materialist country where people worry what movie they will see, where kids call a school with new top of the line computers and $100 graphing calculators ghetto . where they bitch about having to go to school and use those 3ghz computers with LCD screens and use those brand new text books that they dont even need cause they have the ability to access them online on a database that the school mantians on its own server. but yet we still complain. it baffles the mind on what. we have the highest standard of living but pay outrageous sums of money for medication and treatment, even with insurance. where police have the ability to arrest you for being a smartass. where US companie work against US citizens so that companines like walmart can save a buck. walmart actualy demands a price for what they sell and if you dont give it to them the will look some where else overseas. when a picture tube producer for RCA went to bid at walmart to sell their produced tvs, they were unable to achieve the lowballed price, a chinese manufactuer beat them cause the price they offer was actualy less then the price the RCA picture tube manufactuer paid for the glass to make their own tubes. when that company went to press a case against china walmart actualy backed the chinese in the case. the picture tube maker actualy went out of business, so now those worker are out of a job or more likly working at the neighbor hood walmart.

would that in anyway qualify for treason?
damn did i go off on a tangent?

[canine_STD]

so you would say that anyone who accuses a critic of the actions of the US in the 'war on terror' of being anti-american is open minded and enlightened?...
No I wouldn't. Who made that accusation?

[canine_STD]

My original concern had to do with giving bandwidth to an edited lie of a videoclip. Can't we agree that it is wrong to present half truths as fact?

Can you give an opinion on the topic and not simply attack me?

What was presented as fact? They haven't hidden the fact that it was edited. Maybe they were conveying to you an opinion on the topic.

[pimpchichi]

so you would say that anyone who accuses a critic of the actions of the US in the 'war on terror' of being anti-american is open minded and enlightened?...
No I wouldn't. Who made that accusation?

i just thought i'd make a wild association too... except mine was a bit more on topic than yours

[canine_STD]

Oh, OK. Well done Pimp.

[Dubya 2.0]

Sorry Canine but Pimp does have a point...

But if he had predicted the end of civilisation, would you have thought he was an open-minded enlightened individual?

Hardly contributionary is it?

[Nursey]

Dang Mr Nursey, If you can't attack the point, attack the person.

I wasn't dealing with the point at all really, apart from the brief opinion based on the video i saw when it first surfaced. (I don't know which version that was as i still haven't viewed and compared the two versions offered here). As i clearly stated, i was too tired to venture into the rest of the post. I wouldn't have posted any 'attack' on you at all had you presented nothing more than a rational debate, which is what the rest of your post amounts to. Whether i agree or not is another matter, but i had no objections on how you presented it. I was simply commenting on what immediately jumped out at me, which i was able to respond to without any close analysis before turning in for the night.

Whether I am unenlightened, stupid, and stereotypical is not the point.

If you want to present a case on honesty and start out with ignorant, jingoistic crap like the anti-French tirade, you have already discredited your position on the case you are 'impartially' attempting to portray. If you are serious about wanting to know the truth, then you need to start closely examining a few of the attitudes you have...in complete self-honesty. Are those really your own views reached by your own honest, impartial evaluation of the situation, or are they the result of being carried along by the force of a drum-beating patriotic fervour currently being whipped up throughout the nation? (WITH US or AGAINST US etc). No matter how well meaning you are, you'll never arrive anywhere worthwhile in your views while you have that crap influencing and colouring your judgement.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/pat.gif

It angers me when people attempt to deceive me, and it angers me when my intelligence is insulted.

I'm very glad to hear it! I for one make every effort to avoid misleading anyone on anything i present. I wouldn't just view that as a slight on the person being mislead, but as a slight on myself and all i hold dear as well. I don't need to trick people into seeing what is wrong with genocide and mass murder...i would have thought it was self evident. Therefore, i don't see why anyone against this war would bother attempting to mislead to make their point...there's no need with all the grave crimes being committed by the occupying army on a daily basis, not to mention the whole illegality of the war in the first place!

Manipulating, editing, misquoting....
Be angry when someone tries to change the way you believe by deception.
Of course. Which leads me on to Canine's post...

Nursey wrote:
Notice also,i don't resort to calling him a piece of Yankee shit eating scum to make my point.

Yeah, but you did descend into a "sort of rabid, cliched typecasting" when you called him a "brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S."

Your selective misquoting subtley but significantly altered the tone of my statement, which did make it look 'sort of typecasting', when in fact my actual words were..."brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S.variety...
And as for this:
But if he had predicted the end of civilisation, would you have thought he was an open-minded enlightened individual?

...if you're still smarting at my comments to you in this thread (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6047), then i suggest you develop a thicker skin. :P

[canine_STD]

Your selective misquoting subtley but significantly altered the tone of my statement, which did make it look 'sort of typecasting', when in fact my actual words were..."brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S.variety...
So you were refering to the brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S. variety that is neither brainwashed, moronic, or a zealot of the U.S were you? No, no, you were calling him a variety, but of what? Nothing! You weren't calling him a variety of anything, you called him that solely to preceed it with with the words "brainwashed", "moronic" and "zealot" simply to denigrate his opinion; ironicaly you do it while criticising his "bullshit" name calling (anti-american french bastards, I believe it was).

And as for this:
But if he had predicted the end of civilisation, would you have thought he was an open-minded enlightened individual?

...if you're still smarting at my comments to you in this thread (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6047), then i suggest you develop a thicker skin. :P
No, you place too much value on your comments, I was just pointing out that you think it's OK to labell something "bullshit" and disregard it because of the language used when it doesn't fit your ideology, but I'm narrow-minded and refuse to aknowledge change when I do the same thing. A blatent double standard which you will no doubt, in your best Bush-like manner, refuse to accept as a mistake.

[ucicare]

My day job sure interferes with my fun on the computer.

Canine_std, Nursry, et al - I may not agree with everything you say, or how you say it, but I do recognize that you are very bright people. As such, you can probably appreciate that the idea of "parallel truths."

Parallel truth states that two theories, ideas, statements, etc can be contridictory in nature, yet both can be absolutely true. For example, I could say that the water is hot at 110 degrees, and you can argue that it is cold at the same temperature. (Especially true if I were bathing and you were cooking chickens.) Parallel truth can exist when people have different points of reference in mind, yet they think they are talking about the same thing. Such is the nature of some of the arguing I hear on this topic.

I am impressed with the depth of thinking, and have a hard time saying that one is wrong, and one is right. I really believe that many of the differences in these opinions are the result of people stating true arguments with the notion that they are talking about the same thing when in fact they are arguing from different standards of reference.

As a side note - please pardon my generalization of the French as "yellow bastards". I certainly know better manners. My grandfather was shot in France while liberating their damn country, and I have a little problem with their short memory.

God, I'm rambling. Let me take my Ritalin, and come back in an hour.

Barry

[ucicare]

Yeah, I know it is off topic.
Just in case any of you have PETA hearts, I hope this pangs you.

(Be patient with me, the meds should kick in soon. )

http://www.cmobile.com/fishing/Nice-one.jpg


Barry

[DangerousDan]

Where is the new one where they take out 45 insurgents pouring out into the street after some pinned down marines call in for air support. I got it as an e-mail today.

[DangerousDan]

Where is the new one where they take out 45 insurgents pouring out into the street after some pinned down marines call in for air support. I got it as an e-mail today.

Never mind here it is.

http://home.comcast.net/~robertlangdirect/Impact.html

[pimpchichi]

As a side note - please pardon my generalization of the French as "yellow bastards". I certainly know better manners. My grandfather was shot in France while liberating their damn country, and I have a little problem with their short memory.

well i've said it before.... but if it wasn't for the french you americans'd be speaking english

[Nursey]

Well it would appear that ucicare seems to understand and appreciate my point ( excusing his lapse in rational thinking when he resorted to the current, popular flavour of hyperbole - with a personal emotional issue ) , even if you don't. Or say you don't, anyway. (To be honest, I get the distinct feeling that you are just using this as an excuse to vent other frustrations you have towards me, but i'll continue to treat it at face value nevertheless).

First of all, do you really think that both of these statements amount to the same thing, i.e. "rabid, cliched typecasting"...

1. "...and is used by anti-American (aka French Bastards)to "prove" that Americans committed major atrocities in Iraq and to justify their yellow bellowed refusal to do their part."

2. "...the sort of which comes out the mouth of every brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S. variety that i come across..."

This is the difference.

*The first* is emotionally charged rhetoric, the sort of which is promulgated by those mainstream western media outlets that appeal to the lowest common denominator in terms of intellect. ('The Sun' newspaper being a prime example (http://www.intellectbooks.com/europa/number6/franco.htm) of this in the U.K....though having said that, there has been over the past few years - decade a notable 'dumbing down' right across the board and now people and institutions that traditionally represent higher ideals - eg. politicians (http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2004/10/06/the-rise-of-pseudo-fascism/) are resorting to "crude in-your-face language, with columnists in broadsheet as well as tabloid newspapers often using personal insults instead of arguments." )

*The second*, though using fairly strong wording, still falls within the boundaries of legitimate, rational debate.

Therefore, i don't see how it could be categorised as 'rabid cliched typecasting' as you claim. The rabid in my statement pertains to the vulgar, nationalistic fervour that gets whipped up when emotional triggers are utilised by the media and state to align people with an ideology as opposed to dispassionate, intellectual discourse to win over people's minds.
I will admit, my words might have a slightly cliched sounding ring to them now after so many reasons have been provided by the west for people to discuss and outline such widely occurring traits, but unlike the cliche of those hollow, drum-beating anti-French statements actually do carry some genuine weight.
How was this following statement 'typcasting'?
"...the sort of which comes out the mouth of every brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S. variety that i come across..."
So you were refering to the brainwashed, moronic zealot of the U.S. variety that is neither brainwashed, moronic, or a zealot of the U.S were you? No, no, you were calling him a variety, but of what? Nothing! You weren't calling him a variety of anything.

I gave an example of brainwashed, moronic, zeal of the British variety in the Sun newspaper link. I wasn't saying (typecasting) that all American's are brainwashed, moronic zealots, nor that all brainwashed, moronic zealots are American, as your selective quoting implied. I think you'll find that although anyone from any country could come to characterize those terms, how those traits are expressed depends on the exact 'flavour' of conditioning inherent in an individual's culture. A 'BMZealot' of the Iranian variety would be spouting quite different tirades from their American (or should i say 'Anglo-American' considering that, as the Sun news link demonstrates, they pretty much amount to the same) counterparts.


"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done.
And I am Caesar."
Anon
I was just pointing out that you think it's OK to labell something "bullshit" and disregard it because of the language used when it doesn't fit your ideology...
I didn't label the 'Francophobic' statement 'bullshit' because i didn't agree with it, i labelled it bullshit because of it's intellectual redundancy...due to the credulous, knee-jerk repetition of key pro-Bush agenda rhetoric that is rampant in the hawkish climate of fear and nationalism we are witnessing spread across America in these post-911 days .
The Pentagon is reportedly co-ordinating the production of an Information Operations Roadmap drafted by the Information Operations office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. According to Captain Gerald Mauer, the Assistant Deputy Director of the office, the roadmap noted that information operations would be directed against an ‘adversary’. He went on to say that when the paper got to the office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Policy (Douglas Feith), it was changed to say that information operations will attempt to ‘disrupt, corrupt or usurp adversarial decision making’ ‘In other words’, notes retired US Army Colonel Sam Gardiner, ‘we will even go after friends if they are against what we are doing or want to do’. [24] No doubt the misinformation campaign against the French government in the US press in 2003, is the result of such decisions.
I'd be interested in hearing your views on this following article, ucicare.
Information Dominance: The Philosophy
of Total Propaganda Control? (http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/media/2003/1229propcontrol.htm)

I was just pointing out that you think it's OK to labell something "bullshit" and disregard it because of the language used when it doesn't fit your ideology, but I'm narrow-minded and refuse to aknowledge change when I do the same thing. A blatent double standard which you will no doubt, in your best Bush-like manner, refuse to accept as a mistake.
Here (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6047&start=90) is the exact page where the posts can be found.

So now you can see that this is not the same as your reasons for outrightly labelling the article on 'peak oil' crisis 'crap' and would 'wipe your arse with it'...( which is just because it didn't fit your ideology! ) A blatant double standard which you will no doubt, in your best Bush-like manner, refuse to accept as a mistake!

[ucicare]

Nursey wrote -
I'd be interested in hearing your views on this following article, ucicare.

Ok, I read it. I had to break out the dictionary a few times, but I think I caught the gist. Unfortunately I am at work right now and my brain is in overload. I'll give you an opinion later this evening after I get home.

FYI - I am fairly new participating in forums. I work everday with mentally ill people (which means everyone in some form or other) and I had really forgotten that there was intelligent debate left in the world. Thanks for challenging my brain.

I still think you are somewhat rabid, but I do find your zeal to be stimulating. I'll enjoy learning from you if you will be willig to try the same from me.

Later - Barry

[Dubya 2.0]

Canine_std, Nursry, et al...

Nice use of the 'french' language Barry.

Who said Yanks have no sense of irony?

[Nursey]

"I still think you are somewhat rabid, but I do find your zeal to be stimulating."

Hehe :P

"I'll enjoy learning from you if you will be willig to try the same from me."


Yep, sounds good to me.

[Dubya 2.0]

"I still think you are somewhat rabid, but I do find your zeal to be stimulating."

Am unsure how one spells 'condescending arrogance'... help me out...

[Nursey]

"I still think you are somewhat rabid, but I do find your zeal to be stimulating."

Am unsure how one spells 'condescending arrogance'... help me out...

I think he gets a bit cocky when the ritalin first kicks in, but he'll be fine! You'll see!

[Schmed]

Let me help you out Dubya, condescending arrogance, spelled- A M E R I C A N S- that should clear it up.

And I can't belevie anyone that lives here in America would have the ignorance to bash on the French.... why would you?? Because they knew better than to agree (look up the word intelligence and/or morals to see why they didn't) with Bush and his cronies?? Or was it because they had the "arrogance" to win this country for us 200 plus years ago?? Please clear this up for me so I can be stupid and hate the French too!!

[Dubya 2.0]

Bootiful. Bless ya Schmedly...

There is hope for the world yet.

[DangerousDan]

Let me help you out Dubya, condescending arrogance, spelled- A M E R I C A N S- that should clear it up.

And I can't belevie anyone that lives here in America would have the ignorance to bash on the French.... why would you?? Because they knew better than to agree (look up the word intelligence and/or morals to see why they didn't) with Bush and his cronies?? Or was it because they had the "arrogance" to win this country for us 200 plus years ago?? Please clear this up for me so I can be stupid and hate the French too!!

Come Shmed don't think so hard you may burn out the few remaining brain cells you have left. What you need is to Kill Terrorists. In the spirit of Christmas I am going to provide you access to this opportunity to get your mind together and desensitize as well as sensitize yourself to the joy of killing terrorists with million dollar equipment. Well enough talk. Time to start down the road to killing terrorists rather than appeasing them like the lowly countries of Spain who allowed their election to be decided by a train bombing and the French who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag and are forced to hire mercenaries for their supposed self defense.

http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=702

[smiles]

like the lowly countries of Spain who allowed their election to be decided by a train bombing


as opposed to America 2004 where bush won on his dashing good looks and exceptional intellect

[ucicare]

Am unsure how one spells 'condescending arrogance'... help me out...[/quote]


Wow, Dubya, you saw right through me. It usually requires at least one face to face before I am found out. Very impressive!

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

Stereotype

SYLLABICATION: ster·e·o·type
NOUN: 1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image. 2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type. 3. Printing A metal printing plate cast from a matrix molded from a raised printing surface, such as type.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: ster·e·o·typed, ster·e·o·typ·ing, ster·e·o·types
1. To make a stereotype of. 2. To characterize by a stereotype: “Elderly Americans are the neglected sector of the fashion industry, stereotyped by blue hair and polyester pantsuits” (American Demographics). 3. To give a fixed, unvarying form to. 4. To print from a stereotype.
ETYMOLOGY: French stéréotype, stereotype printing : stéréo-, solid (from Greek stereo-; see stereo–) + type, printing type (from Old French, symbol, from Late Latin typus; see type).
OTHER FORMS: stere·o·typer —NOUN
stere·o·typic (-tpk) , stere·o·typi·cal (--kl) —ADJECTIVE
stere·o·typi·cal·ly —ADVERB



see we do learn from the french. you have to remember that our native tounge "american english" or specifically "US english" is comprised of multiple languages. every country has its quirks and asswholes, and the United States has, well, quiet a few of them being led by one evanglest who thinks gay and muslims are the devil.

[Robman97]

like the lowly countries of Spain who allowed their election to be decided by a train bombing


as opposed to America 2004 where bush won on his dashing good looks and exceptional intellect

No, you mean the 1996 election. Where Clinton won based on his good looks and exceptional oval office behavior. I remember reading where women said they voted Clinton because he was better looking than Dole. I mean come on. Is that a good reason to vote for someone? Ah, who cares.

[smiles]

i was comparing the train bombing to the hijacking of the planes and the twin towers..... no? nothing?

[Dubya 2.0]

Wow, Dubya, you saw right through me. It usually requires at least one face to face before I am found out. Very impressive!

Fo sure. No problem Barry lad :wink:

Anyone else what an incisive appraisal of their persona via an online consultation?

[Nursey]

Wow, Dubya, you saw right through me. It usually requires at least one face to face before I am found out. Very impressive!

Barry
...me and my childlike naivety. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/rolleyes.gif

[ucicare]

Hello all!

I have learned three interesting things in this forum.

1-The world thinks that Americans are arrogant and narrow minded.

2-Europeans are especially of this opinion.

3-The Europeans are right.

After evaluating myself, (and most of my friends) I have to come to realize that we Americans are indeed arrogant. From birth we are taught that we are the Champions of Freedom, the Defenders of the oppressed, land of the free, home of the brave, Gods of all sports that matter, etc. (This is why soccer will never be a considered a "real" sport in the US. We know we can't compete on a world level so therefore we devalue it.) To top all off, we are 12-1 in major Wars. (We could have won in Vietnam, the clock just ran out before the game was really over.)

As Freud taught us, anything ingrained from birth is difficult to correct. Since my air of superiority is obviously the fault of my parents, I am free from responsibility for it. I guess that will be my best excuse. :roll:

A little American trivia - Everyone in America is not a "Yank". Yankee is a term used in the South to describe someone that lives in the North. We usually spit when we say it, and often precede it with the word "damn" as in "Damn Yankees." They flock to my area of the country for winter, and leave in the spring. (We like it when they leave.) As an average,Southern Americans are not nearly as arrogant as Northern Americans. We still remember getting our asses kicked in the Civil War of 1860. So please be aware that despite stereotypes, we in the South can read and write, and can actually be fairly humble. Any of you know what "Roll Tide" means?

The weekend approacheth. Let the recovery begin.

Barry

[DangerousDan]

Hello all!

I have learned three interesting things in this forum.

1-The world thinks that Americans are arrogant and narrow minded.

2-Europeans are especially of this opinion.

3-The Europeans are right.

After evaluating myself, (and most of my friends) I have to come to realize that we Americans are indeed arrogant. From birth we are taught that we are the Champions of Freedom, the Defenders of the oppressed, land of the free, home of the brave, Gods of all sports that matter, etc. (This is why soccer will never be a considered a "real" sport in the US. We know we can't compete on a world level so therefore we devalue it.) To top all off, we are 12-1 in major Wars. (We could have won in Vietnam, the clock just ran out before the game was really over.)

As Freud taught us, anything ingrained from birth is difficult to correct. Since my air of superiority is obviously the fault of my parents, I am free from responsibility for it. I guess that will be my best excuse. :roll:

A little American trivia - Everyone in America is not a "Yank". Yankee is a term used in the South to describe someone that lives in the North. We usually spit when we say it, and often precede it with the word "damn" as in "Damn Yankees." They flock to my area of the country for winter, and leave in the spring. (We like it when they leave.) As an average,Southern Americans are not nearly as arrogant as Northern Americans. We still remember getting our asses kicked in the Civil War of 1860. So please be aware that despite stereotypes, we in the South can read and write, and can actually be fairly humble. Any of you know what "Roll Tide" means?

The weekend approacheth. Let the recovery begin.

Barry

WTF! you got da spine of a wet fukn noodle. Talk about susceptibility to the power of suggestion. I think the Taleban could make you Osama's personal blow job boy in about 2 hours and you could probably be turned back into an American within a mere half an hour of deprogramming following a 2 year stent with the Taliban.

[Dubya 2.0]

The weekend approacheth. Let the recovery begin.

Amen brother, however we don't think that all of you 'yanks ' are bad, just the buggers that put 'Our President' back in power.

The world watched with baited breath, hoping that democracy still existed... but it wasn't to be.

Scepticism and ridicule are poles apart.

[Schmed]

st of my friends)
A little American trivia - Everyone in America is not a "Yank". Yankee is a term used in the South to describe someone that lives in the North. We usually spit when we say it, and often precede it with the word "damn" as in "Damn Yankees." They flock to my area of the country for winter, and leave in the spring. (We like it when they leave.) As an average,Southern Americans are not nearly as arrogant as Northern Americans. We still remember getting our asses kicked in the Civil War of 1860. So please be aware that despite stereotypes, we in the South can read and write, and can actually be fairly humble. Any of you know what "Roll Tide" means?

Barry


http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

yea being from the "south" is really somethng to be proud of..idiot. Why don't you put off "rising again" for another year. I mean for christ sakes
this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Schmed/flag.jpg
might as well be your fucking flag. I have met some nice people from in the south but overall, piss on you.

[Dr.Roboto]

st of my friends)
A little American trivia - Everyone in America is not a "Yank". Yankee is a term used in the South to describe someone that lives in the North. We usually spit when we say it, and often precede it with the word "damn" as in "Damn Yankees." They flock to my area of the country for winter, and leave in the spring. (We like it when they leave.) As an average,Southern Americans are not nearly as arrogant as Northern Americans. We still remember getting our asses kicked in the Civil War of 1860. So please be aware that despite stereotypes, we in the South can read and write, and can actually be fairly humble. Any of you know what "Roll Tide" means?

Barry


http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

yea being from the "south" is really somethng to be proud of..idiot. Why don't you put off "rising again" for another year. I mean for christ sakes
this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Schmed/flag.jpg
might as well be your fucking flag. I have met some nice people from in the south but overall, piss on you.

hah i read that last time. meh not all of us are bad and have loads of guns. well some of us. i think its funny that the one guy i know with the most guns is jewish. but really most arnt bad, i havent really met any arrogant "yanks" either. most are mild mannered

[ringoshaw]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?

[DangerousDan]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?

Notice that this guy's username is an arab takeoff on ringostar as in an arab terrorist from England. Probably of the Wahabi Brand from islamicawakening.com

[DangerousDan]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?

Notice that this guy's username is an arab takeoff on ringostar as in an arab terrorist from England. Probably of the Wahabi Brand from www.islamicawakening.com

[smiles]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?


homeboy i'm crunked so let me put it to you this way... if u lived where i live and i got some people to kindnap you and stick pool sticks in your asshole and no one new about it... would i be a criminal? i hope a fucknig iraqi finds out who you are and fuck you till your ears bleed u useless hick ...

[ratatouille]

i am a FL transplant from NY and i can tell you this much: Floridians are predominantly Republicans, anti-choice, religeous extremists and racist bastards. There are a fuckload of license plate choices here and one of them is an anti-choice plate, and there isnt one for the pro-choice people. its corrupt as hell thanks to Jeb, the presidents brother, which is pretty damn obvious when you look at what has happened with the last 2 presidential elections. Anyone who disagrees is a fat, rich, bald male voting republican bastard. And one more thing dammnit, do a search for Terri Shaivo and see what you find. A comatose vegetable is what she is. And Jeb stuck his fat nose in where it doesnt belong and prevented her husband from pulling the plug. I guess her mommy and daddy want her kept alive to pump her uterus full of sperm so they can have a grandchild.
And even more interesting considering Jeb's political alignment is that one of his daughters is half cuban or mexican or something, and is also a drug addict and criminal.
More examples of Florida's stupidity can be found here:
www.BayNews9.com
on the left side of the page click "Viewer Center" and check out the polls and the comments. Feel free to leave your Fugly opions but keep in mind that if you swear your post will be deleted. Evidentally any other user can "report" your post and it will disappear.

[smiles]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?


homeboy i'm crunked so let me put it to you this way... if u lived where i live and i got some people to kindnap you and stick pool sticks in your asshole and no one new about it... would i be a criminal? i hope a fucknig iraqi finds out who you are and fuck you till your ears bleed u useless hick ...

god bless that Mr. Smirnoff

[Schmed]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?

This is the reason why the rest of the world hates Americans, this is why I am really starting to become ashamed of being an American, ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is just what it implies, it is ignorant. NO ONE likes ingnorant people except other ignorant people. Unfortunatly these redneck/christian/racist/selfish bastards/bitches came out in more numbers than todays lazy/nonpolitical/somewhat foolish youth did to the vote. I don't like being made fun of, for any reason..does anyone really?? SO ALL OF YOU FELLOW AMERICANS QUIT ACTING LIKE FOOLS ON HERE AND FIX YOUR SHIT!!! I said it before, quit worrying about more than just your own back yard, if someone is taking a shit in your neighbors yard its eventually going to spread to yours too. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. I hate people so fucking much.......

[Schmed]

Hey where the fuck has sick'em been, I don't really agree with anyhting he has to say but I like that fucker anyways..SICK'EM come on and piss me off damn it!!!! :o

[Dr.Roboto]

I do not care for one moment if an iraqi or any other person I don't know is killed. If you do, you are a fool of the highest level. Outrages and war crimes only become such when the media find out about them. Ignorance IS bliss. Why don't some of you try it ?

This is the reason why the rest of the world hates Americans, this is why I am really starting to become ashamed of being an American, ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is just what it implies, it is ignorant. NO ONE likes ingnorant people except other ignorant people. Unfortunatly these redneck/christian/racist/selfish bastards/bitches came out in more numbers than todays lazy/nonpolitical/somewhat foolish youth did to the vote. I don't like being made fun of, for any reason..does anyone really?? SO ALL OF YOU FELLOW AMERICANS QUIT ACTING LIKE FOOLS ON HERE AND FIX YOUR SHIT!!! I said it before, quit worrying about more than just your own back yard, if someone is taking a shit in your neighbors yard its eventually going to spread to yours too. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. I hate people so fucking much.......


get em Schmed :twisted:

[Schmed]

Gahd bless you Roboto.

Don't anyone get me wrong, I love this country, I just hate the fuckers that live in it with me.

[ucicare]

I hate people so fucking much.......

People that hate everyone hate themselves the most. Pretty much sums up your pathology Schemd.

Love ya,

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

I hate people so fucking much.......

People that hate everyone hate themselves the most. Pretty much sums up your pathology Schemd.

Love ya,

Barry

is this from your many years as a counselor? pathology is more that what some one writes on a digital board, it is a little more complex than that. so what, now your gonna gauge every ones mental capabilities and rational to find out where they corrilate on your color coded sesieme street scale of happy and sadness?

[ucicare]

[ [/quote] is this from your many years as a counselor? [/quote]

No, it is from my many years as a human.

Barry

[ucicare]

The Dr. asks - is this from your many years as a counselor?

Card please.... and the answer is .....

No, it is from my many years as a human.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

The Dr. asks - is this from your many years as a counselor?

Card please.... and the answer is .....

No, it is from my many years as a human.

Barry

being old does not make you wise nor intelligent

[Schmed]

I hate people so fucking much.......

People that hate everyone hate themselves the most. Pretty much sums up your pathology Schemd.

Love ya,

Barry

is this from your many years as a counselor? pathology is more that what some one writes on a digital board, it is a little more complex than that. so what, now your gonna gauge every ones mental capabilities and rational to find out where they corrilate on your color coded sesieme street scale of happy and sadness?

Hey Frued, let me make it a little more clear for you, I hate YOU so much, I'm glad you could take the time to analyze that one small part of my paragraph that was obvioulsy sarcasm and not get into the part that actually made a point...when you can counter what I said and make a statement that makes sense, you will be right, but untill then you're not right and you will remain in the small portion of this planet (roughly 51% of this country , wether you are from America or not you still fall into the idiot category). Now please go and firmly lodge your head back in your ass where it belongs.

[Schmed]

The Dr. asks - is this from your many years as a counselor?

Card please.... and the answer is .....

No, it is from my many years as a human.

Barry

And your general attitude hardly qualifys you as human, so next time stick with "old".

[ucicare]

The Dr. asks - is this from your many years as a counselor?

Card please.... and the answer is .....

No, it is from my many years as a human.

Barry

being old does not make you wise nor intelligent

You are right. But being old does make you experienced. Experience, either positive or negative, is unavoidable. Experience teaches me that people who hate people are angry people, and angry people are usuallly frustrated people, and frustrated people are usually the most frustrated with themselves.

I still like you however. Don't read contempt into my criticism. To quote a source you seem to disdain, " Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

Peace Dr. I like it in here.

Barry

[ucicare]

Schmed writes,
Hey Frued, let me make it a little more clear for you, I hate YOU so much, I'm glad you could take the time to analyze that one small part of my paragraph that was obvioulsy sarcasm and not get into the part that actually made a point...when you can counter what I said and make a statement that makes sense, you will be right, but untill then you're not right and you will remain in the small portion of this planet (roughly 51% of this country , wether you are from America or not you still fall into the idiot category). Now please go and firmly lodge your head back in your ass where it belongs.[/quote]

Point taken.
But for the record, I don't hate you back. Not that I am some "love everybody" kind of wimp, It is simply that I don't know you well enough to hate you (yet). Give me a break. I am just learning forum decorum, and am kind of enjoying this. You seem to be intelligent. Be smart enough to get to know me before you waste all that energy.

It appears that many people in this forum (regulars) jump to quick assumptions about those that are new to the forum. I have observed that the regulars can blast each other, but there is still a respect and acceptance for each other. Much like a family, the regulars are reluctant to accept new members to their "family" and attack quickly all comers.

Give me a break please. I enjoy this forum and the discussions. You might be surprised what I REALLY think. Take time to find out.

Maybe this bit of personal trivia will actually help me buy some credibility -
I have actually been excommunicated from a Church, with an official restraining order barring me from the property. (All over a little misunderstanding about me going to the police after catching the Shepherd fleecing the flock.)

Got to go. It is Sunday, and the Church bells ring. I must go and stand outside in the rain and look longing at the happy brethren inside. Back later.

Peace, OK?

Barry

[Schmed]

I like how you avoided me ,its like an admission of guilt. I too am 'old' but expierence is all relative, it does not make one smarter or more in the know. It's not the years as much as it is the mileage.

[Schmed]

HEY, no more sneaky posting while I'm typing a reply and making me look like an idiot!!! It's just not fair.

[Dubya 2.0]

It appears that many people in this forum (regulars) jump to quick assumptions about those that are new to the forum.

Well said Barry, you appear to have unwittingly 'holed your own boat' as I do belive your first post was along the lines of 'cowardly french' wasn't it?

You can't blame people for being judgemental after the moronic rhetoric can you?

[Dubya 2.0]

I have actually been excommunicated from a Church, with an official restraining order barring me from the property. (All over a little misunderstanding about me going to the police after catching the Shepherd fleecing the flock.)

It's what you're going to say next to explain this little faux-pas that leaves me breathless with anticipation.

Are you sure your name isn't 'Damian'?

[ratatouille]

http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/sheep/images/bsa01s02b.jpg

[Dr.Roboto]

barry you never posted a retort to the "how old do you feel" thread, i had a strong feelin that you might.
as for experience, yes experiance comes with age but what really matters is how you interpret and learn from that experiance. a baby may go stick keys in a power socket and learn to never do it again and an idiot may do the same a thousand times and never learn

[ucicare]

It appears that many people in this forum (regulars) jump to quick assumptions about those that are new to the forum.

Well said Barry, you appear to have unwittingly 'holed your own boat' as I do belive your first post was along the lines of 'cowardly french' wasn't it?

You can't blame people for being judgemental after the moronic rhetoric can you?

Maybe that explains it. For the record, I did not post the first piece in this topic. It was actually posted by the staff (with my permission). what I did originally was to write to the staff asking that they not give bandwidth to the video in question because it had a hidden agenda attached, and was edited to obscure the truth. The video was the topic, of which we seem to have drifted far. For the record, the editing was done by a group of French anti-US propagandist, hence my generalization of them as "French Bastards." Sorry for the generalization, but my opinion of the producers of this vulgar attempt to discredit the US stands. (Bastards, French or not.)

By the way, Moron, Idiot and imbecle are all old Psychology terms to describe people with low IQ's. I may not be able to prove much, but I can certainly prove that my IQ is well above 100. Please find some new terms. May I suggest "asynaptic?"

Barry

[ucicare]

barry you never posted a retort to the "how old do you feel" thread, i had a strong feelin that you might.
as for experience, yes experiance comes with age but what really matters is how you interpret and learn from that experiance. a baby may go stick keys in a power socket and learn to never do it again and an idiot may do the same a thousand times and never learn

I never posted a reply to the post in question because it was just something copied off the web. It was not original, kind of boring, and I just didn't bother with it.

Barry

[pimpchichi]

so barry did you bother checking the documentary i recommended?

[ucicare]

[quote]

Are you sure your name isn't 'Damian'?

Interestingly Dubya, you are not the first to ask that question.

About the little Church hassle - I was a staff counselor, caught the big guy embezzling, and turned him in. The problem was the Church board was implicated as well, and did a great job of covering for him. Stupid me.

It is far from over. The case is actually before our State Supreme Court for discovery of records. I'll send ya' a copy of the briefs if you are voyueristic enough to wwant to see them. I have great hopes that truth will prevail.

I was feeling so rejected by the Church, I was hoping to find acceptance and underdstanding (sniff) in a web forum. And all I get is.... (eyes well up).... Oh the pain of being misunderstood and vilified..... Lunch is ready!Later.


Barry

[ucicare]

so barry did you bother checking the documentary i recommended?

Working toward that. Trying to get my yard sodded this weekend. Yardwork interferes with my downtime. Will do it eventually.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

barry you never posted a retort to the "how old do you feel" thread, i had a strong feelin that you might.
as for experience, yes experiance comes with age but what really matters is how you interpret and learn from that experiance. a baby may go stick keys in a power socket and learn to never do it again and an idiot may do the same a thousand times and never learn

I never posted a reply to the post in question because it was just something copied off the web. It was not original, kind of boring, and I just didn't bother with it.

Barry

got some facts to back that up? i see no reason to plagerize others material. if youve seen that same post some where else, by all means post. i would love to see that link. :roll:

[ucicare]

I never posted a reply to the post in question because it was just something copied off the web. It was not original, kind of boring, and I just didn't bother with it.

Barry[/quote]

got some facts to back that up? i see no reason to plagerize others material. if youve seen that same post some where else, by all means post. i would love to see that link. :roll:[/quote]

Apologies, Dr.

I was reffering to the original post that started the thread, not yours. I forgot that I was typing in three different threads. I am new to multitasking.....

One point at a time, and I may can keep up. What was the question?

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

i had a strong feeling that you would respond to my last post in Do you feel old? (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6122url) , and was curious as to why you didnt thats all.oh and out of curiousity where on the gulf coast do you live? you dont have to say city specific, im just wondering what state?

[ucicare]

i had a strong feeling that you would respond to my last post in Do you feel old? (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6122url) , and was curious as to why you didnt thats all.oh and out of curiousity where on the gulf coast do you live? you dont have to say city specific, im just wondering what state?

I went back and read your post, and replied. Please keep in mind I do this for FUN, so try not to get to serious and snippy.

FYI - Every hear of the Redneck Riviera? I live in L.A., or Lower Alabama. Please, no sterotypical crap about Alabama, and I will hold my thoughts on the President's home state. My little corner of the world is real close to paradise. Be glad to send pics to prove it.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

i had a strong feeling that you would respond to my last post in Do you feel old? (http://fugly.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6122url) , and was curious as to why you didnt thats all.oh and out of curiousity where on the gulf coast do you live? you dont have to say city specific, im just wondering what state?

I went back and read your post, and replied. Please keep in mind I do this for FUN, so try not to get to serious and snippy.

FYI - Every hear of the Redneck Riviera? I live in L.A., or Lower Alabama. Please, no sterotypical crap about Alabama, and I will hold my thoughts on the President's home state. My little corner of the world is real close to paradise. Be glad to send pics to prove it.

Barry

i do to, its pretty fun most of the time, always interesting.
i have nothing really to say about Alabama as long as nothing really is brought up about Texas. ive heard it all. oh and thank god i dont live in Connecticut, would be to cold for me, maybe not for Bush tho.

[ucicare]

http://www.i-hate-france.com/images/hitlerinparis.jpg


For your scapbooks. :D


Barry

[ratatouille]

http://www.i-hate-france.com/images/hitlerinparis.jpg


For your scapbooks. :D


Barry
Oh how cute. you still suck. but Debbie gives you an 'A' for effort.

[Nursey]

The video was the topic, of which we seem to have drifted far. For the record, the editing was done by a group of French anti-US propagandist, hence my generalization of them as "French Bastards." Sorry for the generalization, but my opinion of the producers of this vulgar attempt to discredit the US stands. (Bastards, French or not.)
But the fact is, the video DOES depict a warcrime. The shortened version isolates the part of the video which does constitute a warcrime. If i read an article of 10 paragraphs which has only two paragraphs relevant to a point i'm making, am i misleading people by only posting those two paragraphs to make that point, after having made it clear that it is an excerpt from a much larger article?
Nobody needs to mislead anyone when discrediting the U.S, it is doing a five star job of that by itself.

[Nursey]

...and i'm still eagerly awaiting your comments on this article:
Information Dominance: The Philosophy of Total Propaganda Control?
(http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/media/2003/1229propcontrol.htm)

[ucicare]

...and i'm still eagerly awaiting your comments on this article:
Information Dominance: The Philosophy of Total Propaganda Control?
(http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/media/2003/1229propcontrol.htm)

Ok, I read it again. I just don't see a problem with the concept. What is wrong with a superpower staying a superpower? If dominance in the information age is a way to maintain superiority, than by cracky, use it to your full advantage. The US is hated by most of the World anyway, and that won't change until the US is reduced to the same sucky exisitence that much of the rest of the planet is trapped in. I back my team.

"Use the best you have to stay the best there is."

I don't like being lied to, but I don't see this as a campaign of lies. Help me understand why the US SHOULDN'T do this.

Barry

[Schmed]

Do I have to go back to explaining the concept of being a good person/people, right and wrong...it's just that fucking simple, really it is.....

A childhood hero of mine said it best ..."Life is the right of ALL sentient beings."

Just becasue we (USA) have the power does not make what we say right,, nor is our living right for everyone. And I'm not talking about our way of living as in what a bunch of fuckholes the americans are in generral, I mean everything, me, you, etc etc. For instant just because I like peanut butter and jelly sandwhi8ches dosnt mean someone else is a bad evil person for not liking them, or for another instance just because Bush is a god fearing Christian dosnt mean that someone else that isnt is an infidel and their life is meaningless..you get where this is going yet??

[Coma White]

Just gonna throw in a quick comment on the two different movieclips.

As most others the first one i saw was the edited one, and I have to say after the seeing the second one you have to be very careful with making quick jugdements on seeing things on the internet.

For some time I've been using the edited (before I knew it was edited) to show that America is using excesive force in Iraq, I still think they do, using a minigun to kill people on the ground, but in this case it was okay the guys had an RPG.

I have now begun to show people the real version in an attempt to make up for my mistake.

[ucicare]

Do I have to go back to explaining the concept of being a good person/people, right and wrong...it's just that fucking simple, really it is.....

A childhood hero of mine said it best ..."Life is the right of ALL sentient beings."

Just becasue we (USA) have the power does not make what we say right,, nor is our living right for everyone. And I'm not talking about our way of living as in what a bunch of fuckholes the americans are in generral, I mean everything, me, you, etc etc. For instant just because I like peanut butter and jelly sandwhi8ches dosnt mean someone else is a bad evil person for not liking them, or for another instance just because Bush is a god fearing Christian dosnt mean that someone else that isnt is an infidel and their life is meaningless..you get where this is going yet??

You are right, might does not make right. I also totally agree that we have no right to force our values on others. I am 100% for tolerance and diversity, right up until the point that some one tries to force their values on me by hijacking 4 airplanes and slamming them into buildings. After that, I believe that we have every right, if not a duty, to hit back hard. If controlling the flow of information is one method of defeating the bastards, more power to us.

Barry

[ucicare]

For some time I've been using the edited (before I knew it was edited) to show that America is using excesive force in Iraq, I still think they do, using a minigun to kill people on the ground, but in this case it was okay the guys had an RPG.

I have now begun to show people the real version in an attempt to make up for my mistake.

Thanks for your rational thinking. Expect to be rewarded for your reversal of opinion by being shredded to pieces by the sharp beaked vultures of this forum.

FYI - The Apache helicopter was over two miles away at the time of this engagement. The weapon of choice was a 30 cal exploding shell, which was not designed for use against people. The reason they used it is simple - it was the smallest thing they had. The mini gun you refer to is not in the arsenal of this helicopter, and would not have reached 2 miles even if it had been. My question is simple - if your goal is to KILL somebody, why does it make any difference how big a gun you use? Is it more "humane" to shoot them with small caliber stuff so that they sit there and slowly bleed to death? Should the crew have jetted over and politely asked the three to surrender? (I think not.)

Thanks for your post, but put on your firesuit - flames are coming.


Barry

[Coma White]

For some time I've been using the edited (before I knew it was edited) to show that America is using excesive force in Iraq, I still think they do, using a minigun to kill people on the ground, but in this case it was okay the guys had an RPG.

I have now begun to show people the real version in an attempt to make up for my mistake.

Thanks for your rational thinking. Expect to be rewarded for your reversal of opinion by being shredded to pieces by the sharp beaked vultures of this forum.

FYI - The Apache helicopter was over two miles away at the time of this engagement. The weapon of choice was a 30 cal exploding shell, which was not designed for use against people. The reason they used it is simple - it was the smallest thing they had. The mini gun you refer to is not in the arsenal of this helicopter, and would not have reached 2 miles even if it had been. My question is simple - if your goal is to KILL somebody, why does it make any difference how big a gun you use? Is it more "humane" to shoot them with small caliber stuff so that they sit there and slowly bleed to death? Should the crew have jetted over and politely asked the three to surrender? (I think not.)

Thanks for your post, but put on your firesuit - flames are coming.


Barry




I'm not the big military buff so I didn't know what they were firing. Ac puple of Hellfire could have done the same job much quicker, and it would have been less bloody.

Mainly I oppose even realesing this video on the net, for two reasons: 1. It makes people hate the americans even more, and 2: What the hell is the point of realesing it?

[ucicare]

And todays scrapbook cutout is .... :P http://www.museumofworldwarii.com/images/TourPictures/03_Eiffel_Tower_with_flag.jpg%20





Notice the little nazi flag on top. This piece was part of the spoils recovered from Hitler's office after the war.

Barry

[ucicare]

Maybe you will like this one better.

http://humphrys.humanists.net/Bitmaps/saddam.2.notblurred.jpg

[ucicare]

Dang computer glitches.

http://humphrys.humanists.net/Bitmaps/saddam.2.notblurred.jpg

[Schmed]

You are right, might does not make right. I also totally agree that we have no right to force our values on others. I am 100% for tolerance and diversity, right up until the point that some one tries to force their values on me by hijacking 4 airplanes and slamming them into buildings. After that, I believe that we have every right, if not a duty, to hit back hard. If controlling the flow of information is one method of defeating the bastards, more power to us.

Barry


So who are you suggesting we hit back for this??? As far as I can tell it's not the tens of thousands of Iragi citizens we have bombed to to death that flew these planes into our buildings, nor anyone else we have attacked.

[unlimited-time]

Schmeds right, Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th, it would be like attacking China because of Pearl Harbor.Seems to me Iraq got a good kicking coz "they all look alike."

[ucicare]

[/quote]

So who are you suggesting we hit back for this??? As far as I can tell it's not the tens of thousands of Iragi citizens we have bombed to to death that flew these planes into our buildings, nor anyone else we have attacked.[/quote]


Dearest brainwashed friend, do you really believe that the US has bombed "tens of thousands" of Iraqi citizens? Could you offer even a shred of evidence that would support a number like that?

Who do I suggest we hit back? I say we hit back at anyone whose ideology and policy supports Terrorism. (Please hold your breath about the US being the biggest terrorist state, etc. That is a lame, empty argument.)

We hit the Taliban and Osama's bunch first in Afghanistan, and Iraq was a natural progression from there. Is there any doubt in your mind that Saddam and his regime were a threat to the Middle East, Israel and the World? Dd you forget that he invaded Kuwait without provocation? Did you forget that Saddam launched Scud missiles into Israel (without provocation from Israel) in 1991? Do you remember him stating proudly that "Israel is now a crematorium" after he did that? Do you remember Saddam using nerve gas against an ethnic minority? (Kurds) Do you remember that we put up with 10 years of his sociopatheic treatment of the UN, weapons inspectors, and World courts?

It is my hope that the rest of the world sees that the US is serious about this, and will kick their ass next if they don't get their act together. Our invasion of Iraq certainly had a chilling effect on Mr Quadaffi. You are probably too young to remember him, but he and Lybia were a regular problem in the 1980's. Amazing what having your home bombed with a laser guided missle does to calm a dictators appetite for expansion. And then seeing your buddy across the street getting dragged out of a spider hole by US special forces...damn that encourages you to behave doesn't it?

One thing that you seriously don't understand is that it is impossible to use reason with insane people. Any one that will strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it is INSANE. People who have lost touch with reality have to be dealt with forcibly. There is absolutely no other way.

Is it a tragedy that innocent people are killed? Absolutely. But in my opinion, if innocent people are going to die, let it be them and not us. If we don't do something to stop INSANE people from attacking the innocent civilians of the US, the carnage WILL continue. I don't like the only alternative, but it is the only alternative.

Life is tough and unfair, and only the strong survive. Get used to it.

Barry

[Nursey]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! I can't bear it! It's one thing trying to reason with them and explain when they are just heavily indoctrinated, but when they've been fed nothing but the whole prepackaged, propagandist's equivalent of a 'Happy Meal' all their life, i'd say it's time to call in the cult deprogramming specialists

[ucicare]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! I can't bear it! It's one thing trying to reason with them and explain when they are just heavily indoctrinated, but when they've been fed nothing but the whole prepackaged, propagandist's equivalent of a 'Happy Meal' all their life, i'd say it's time to call in the cult deprogramming specialists

Who is the cultist? You are the one that believes that the US Government staged the whole 9/11 thing. If you took a poll among all the Psychiatrists in America, I believe they would vote heavily that you are harboring a non-bizarre delusion. Of course to you, all the brain power in America is part of the vast right wing conspiracy, yada yada .....baloney.

Delusional thinking - I promise. I bet you a happy meal that you have been diagnosed as Bi-Polar, and refuse to take your meds. You have probably heard the words "Borderline" meantioned in reference to your name too. How perceptive is that oh exalted one?

(Just cause I speak bluntly doesn't mean I dont care about your feelings. I still feel this strange intellectual bond wth your warpedness and I think that being mean and nasty must excite you greatly. Just trying to charge your batteries for another day. )

Your doughboy,

Barry

[unlimited-time]

Jesus Nursey you really attract the weirdos. :shock:

[Schmed]

Uci, over 10,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed by daisycutters since 9/11, its a fact,...you need a brain enema...only the strong survive, what are you a redneck??? How about this, you come to D.c.i will kick the shit out of you and then you die becasue only the strong survive. Does that sound right to you. Yea boy oh boy Saddam was really fucking our shit up over here, thank god we stopped him and got rid of all his weapons of mass destruction..shweew. EMPTY ARGUEMENT!!! Boy this country really has you brainwashed dosnt it, you dont call us bombing the shit out of innocent people in an effort to gain money/oil/soverignty not an act of terrorism?!?!? then 9/11 was just Osama having a little fun i guess. It is impossible to reason with insane people, thats why even though at least half this country and the rest of the world keep telling Bush and Co. that he is doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLe wrong they dont listen/care. And the point is there is no reason innocent people ever have to die, especially over some idiot son of an asshole's desire to prove himself to his daddy and get into heaven (tahts fucking insane)Don't assume I'm young (im sure its just wishful thinking on your part)Go back to church and molest boys or whatever it is you do.

[ucicare]

Jesus Nursey you really attract the weirdos. :shock:

Just for the record, I have no other interest in Nursey other than the brightness of her mind. Is she Delusional? Yes. Is she Stupid? Heck No!

I am happily married for 30years, kids, mortgage, etc. and want nothing from any one on the 'net other than a little friendly discourse. Don't expect any drooling IM's. I still have a few boundaries left.

Please notice I put my real picture, email address, and home area on my profile. Fugly even used my real name. Heck, I'm in the phone book. How weird can I be if I don't even try to hide who I am? (like most of you)

Be nice UT. Don't assume that just because somebody is different than you that they are the one who is the "weirdo".

Nursey is cool. Surely she knows that I oft jest.


Truly,

Cult leader Barry

[ucicare]

How about this, you come to D.c.i will kick the shit out of you and then you die becasue only the strong survive. Does that sound right to you?

It sounds perfectly right to me if the reason I came to DC was to kill you first. You don't believe in the right of self defense?

...and that child molesting comment?

" When the truth confronts, absurdity is soon to follow" Quote me on that. It's an original.

Barry

[unlimited-time]

Jesus Nursey you really attract the weirdos. :shock:

Just for the record, I have no other interest in Nursey other than the brightness of her mind. Is she Delusional? Yes. Is she Stupid? Heck No!

I am happily married for 30years, kids, mortgage, etc. and want nothing from any one on the 'net other than a little friendly discourse. Don't expect any drooling IM's. I still have a few boundaries left.

Please notice I put my real picture, email address, and home area on my profile. Fugly even used my real name. Heck, I'm in the phone book. How weird can I be if I don't even try to hide who I am? (like most of you)

Be nice UT. Don't assume that just because somebody is different than you that they are the one who is the "weirdo".

Nursey is cool. Surely she knows that I oft jest.


Truly,

Cult leader Barry

There you go assuming again , did i say you liked Nursey in that way.I did not. I said she attracts the wierdos, which means they are drawn to her. Which you have been.
So as it was you who thought i meant it in that way , maybe your groin has been stirring a little,for that thought to spring so quickly to your mind.
And don't take offence about the weirdo bit, if you weren't weird you wouldn't have ever found Fugly.

[ucicare]

[/quote]And don't take offence about the weirdo bit, if you weren't weird you wouldn't have ever found Fugly.[/quote]



Dang it UT, I hate it when you make an irrefutable point.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

i just thought id toss this in again

Pentagon Strike (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Mainurl)

for kicks atleast

[ucicare]

Another nice piece of work that means nothing.

Here's a question for ya -

How do you explain that fact that 60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster of the flight were found in the Pentagon wreckage, positively identified, and returned to their families? Did the US government just kill them all ahead of time and hide their bodies in the building?

That would be the hat trick of all conspiracy theories, wouldn't it?

Any answer to the question above would be appreciated.

Barry

[pimpchichi]

i just thought id toss this in again

Pentagon Strike (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Mainurl)

for kicks atleast

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

[ucicare]

Pimp Daddy is my new hero. A lone beacon of light in the darkness.

Barry

[pimpchichi]

actually nursey gave me the link

xx

[ucicare]

Funny. :lol:

You and Nursey close, are ya? I am so jealous.

Barry

[Schmed]

How about this, you come to D.c.i will kick the shit out of you and then you die becasue only the strong survive. Does that sound right to you?

It sounds perfectly right to me if the reason I came to DC was to kill you first. You don't believe in the right of self defense?

...and that child molesting comment?

" When the truth confronts, absurdity is soon to follow" Quote me on that. It's an original.

Barry

Once again you dance around the real issue...you don't have a leg tp stand on.

[Nursey]

I bet you a happy meal that you have been diagnosed as Bi-Polar
How rude! If you really must know, i'm Hetero-Polar to the boner... don't project your own maledictions onto me! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/rolleyes.gif



Who is the cultist? You are the one that believes that the US Government staged the whole 9/11 thing.
Speaking of 'cults', what Barry, can you tell me about the current U.S. government...you know, the one that got into power through unprecedented, unconventional means, namely the neocons. Who is their mentor, and what are his beliefs?

[ucicare]

I had a really interesting thought today......

"If I get paid for talking to mentally ill people every day, why am I wasting my time in this forum doing it for free?"

Then a more interesting thought hit me...

"If you took Prozac, and I smoked crack, we would probably reverse argue the opinions of the other as fact."

Which gave birth to this revelation ....

"This forum is part of a commercial site that makes money selling advertising. The more activity (hits) the site has, the more it can justify charging for it's services. Therefore, this forum is really not a forum at all. It is really a hit generator and email address harvester. The main participants in the forum are all staff members of Fugly.com and are probably even the same person. The controversies presented are contrived and manipulated to make it appear that there is really a lot of activity and interest for the site, when in reality it is just the basement project of a few underaged people who started this as a way to get access to free porn. Now they are older computer geeks and now can't get away from it because it is all they know. BUT THE GOVERNMENT FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. And now they have undercover spies implanting ideas into the minds of the (one) main participant, and he/she/it is controlling the minds of school aged children everywhere through the gamma rays that are released by every keystroke Nursey makes. It is a government conspiracy operating within a website conspiracy. OH MY GOD! How could I have been so blind!

The above garble makes about as much sense as those of you who think this country attacked itself and is bubbling over with government cover-ups and subversive plots. It sound possible, may even have a grain of truth in it(free porn), but overall it is completely ridiculous. (or is it?)

Your own intelligent minds have committed treason with your reason.

Read some real facts and get both sides of everything. Here is a good place to start. http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/homepage.asp?clr=1&sl=EN&id=-8888&force=1

Your statements are in the mail. No more free consultations.

Barry

[ucicare]

[/quote]Scmed writes -
Once again you dance around the real issue...you don't have a leg tp stand on.[/quote]


Just imitating what I see you do. Except I really bother to read and think about what you say before I dance.

Your anger disrupts your ability to think outside of your own opinion. That is a poor trade, and you are depriving yourself of opportunities for intellectual growth.

Think about this ... do you look for evidence to support the opinions you already have, or do you look for a diversity of evidence to challenge the opinions you have?

Once new evidence is presented, and rationally challenged, verified, and quantified, are you willing to alter your own opinions?

I assure you that I do that. I do it every day. I think very differently now than I did 10 years ago, or even 1 year ago. I have more in the data base, and I don't limit what comes in. I don't immediately dismiss information that challenges me. I don't discount the information simply because it comes from someone that I feel may be whacked. Historically, the great truths and ideas that were discovered came from people who went against the mainstream of thought and were ridiculed (if not killed) for their advanced thinking. I clearly know that the whacked may be right.

And one last thing that I know for sure - if something someone says really pisses you off, chances are high they hit a nerve of truth. (See the above statement about history. A few still believe that the earth is flat.)

"When the truth confronts, absurdity is sure to follow" I think I'll start a new topic based on that concept.

Barry

[unlimited-time]

I get paid for talking to mentally ill people every day
I'm assuming by the way you are on here that not many of your patients get better?

[ucicare]

Right on target, UT. It is hard to make money when they all get well. The real bucks come from stringing clients out until their insurance is drained. I do this by fostering a co-dependent relationship through weekly psychoanalysis and prescription drug addiction.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

if you do not dismiss these ideas and thoughts, then how come you are so quick to dismiss the idea that a country would not hurt it self? it has happened be for and still happens. for example NKorea, with its stead fast idea the the world is evil limits the information to it citizens, i hear that 2/3s of the population are malnurished while a leader burns 100 dollar bills and eat to his full tossing out the rest instead of giving it to the hungry. is that not hurting their own country? and for what? to maintain a million man army?
or soviet russia in ww2 , shootin its own soldiers that retreated.
or roman armys killing its own soldiers to enforce obediance?
some with enough drive and determination can become leader and run an agenda that they want, and if they want it bad enough they will do it regardless the consiqences.
the whole point is that you have to look at bothsides. problem is that when one retains a majority control of the information its hard for one to make ones mind.
i see no problem with questioning, its a human ability and an instinic(spelling?). im just leary about the governments claims since it wont reveal all the information need to form my own ideas on what happend. :?

[Dr.Roboto]

Right on target, UT. It is hard to make money when they all get well. The real bucks come from stringing clients out until their insurance is drained. I do this by fostering a co-dependent relationship through weekly psychoanalysis and prescription drug addiction.

Barry

lol

[Schmed]

Scmed writes -
Once again you dance around the real issue...you don't have a leg tp stand on.[/quote]


Just imitating what I see you do. Except I really bother to read and think about what you say before I dance.

Your anger disrupts your ability to think outside of your own opinion. That is a poor trade, and you are depriving yourself of opportunities for intellectual growth.

Think about this ... do you look for evidence to support the opinions you already have, or do you look for a diversity of evidence to challenge the opinions you have?

Once new evidence is presented, and rationally challenged, verified, and quantified, are you willing to alter your own opinions?

I assure you that I do that. I do it every day. I think very differently now than I did 10 years ago, or even 1 year ago. I have more in the data base, and I don't limit what comes in. I don't immediately dismiss information that challenges me. I don't discount the information simply because it comes from someone that I feel may be whacked. Historically, the great truths and ideas that were discovered came from people who went against the mainstream of thought and were ridiculed (if not killed) for their advanced thinking. I clearly know that the whacked may be right.

And one last thing that I know for sure - if something someone says really pisses you off, chances are high they hit a nerve of truth. (See the above statement about history. A few still believe that the earth is flat.)

"When the truth confronts, absurdity is sure to follow" I think I'll start a new topic based on that concept.

Barry[/quote]

And once again you dance around the issues, I know the statements I made to be true, if you don't care enough obout this planet to go and find them for yourself then that's your problem. Seems to me you might be afraid to prove them to yourself as you are WRONG. You are fustrating in your ignorance, but even on your best day you couldn't make me angry. So all in all you can call the things I right to be opinions, and I wish they were that, and that I was wrong, but they are not opinions, they are facts. Remind me again when it became cool to be an ignorant American??

[unlimited-time]

Right on target, UT. It is hard to make money when they all get well. The real bucks come from stringing clients out until their insurance is drained. I do this by fostering a co-dependent relationship through weekly psychoanalysis and prescription drug addiction.

Barry
You're all the same , u head shrinks..i knew mine had been playing with me for years just for the cash. :evil:

[ucicare]

if you do not dismiss these ideas and thoughts, then how come you are so quick to dismiss the idea that a country would not hurt it self? it has happened be for and still happens. for example NKorea, with its stead fast idea the the world is evil limits the information to it citizens, i hear that 2/3s of the population are malnurished while a leader burns 100 dollar bills and eat to his full tossing out the rest instead of giving it to the hungry. is that not hurting their own country? and for what? to maintain a million man army?
or soviet russia in ww2 , shootin its own soldiers that retreated.
or roman armys killing its own soldiers to enforce obediance?
some with enough drive and determination can become leader and run an agenda that they want, and if they want it bad enough they will do it regardless the consiqences.
the whole point is that you have to look at bothsides. problem is that when one retains a majority control of the information its hard for one to make ones mind.
i see no problem with questioning, its a human ability and an instinic(spelling?). im just leary about the governments claims since it wont reveal all the information need to form my own ideas on what happend. :?

I think I follow your line of thinking, and I think I might agree with you, maybe. (God i can't believe I said that).

The piece I don't get is this. Why do you think that our government has to reveal all the info for truth to be discovered? I think the information age of the internet has made it very difficult to cover up anything. It is true that I don't completely trust our government, but it is because it is staffed by government workers, most of whom can't find jobs doing anything else.

I fear our Government's flow of info because I think it may come from INCOMPETENT, untrained, and careless workers, not because I think they are smart enough to hide something from me.

I fear our country's stupidity, not it's purposeful deception.

Barry

[ucicare]

[quote="unlimited-time"
You're all the same , u head shrinks..i knew mine had been playing with me for years just for the cash. :evil:[/quote]


Ask to see a copy of his treatment plan for you. (He probably won't have one, although it is required by law.) If he does not have one, ask for a full refund. If he happens to have one, ask to see the session progress notes. Ask for a refund again, then picket his office with a sign that says "THE MAN HAS NO PLAN". He will eventually pay you to leave him alone.

If you do this tell no one that you know me.

Barry

[Dr.Roboto]

if you do not dismiss these ideas and thoughts, then how come you are so quick to dismiss the idea that a country would not hurt it self? it has happened be for and still happens. for example NKorea, with its stead fast idea the the world is evil limits the information to it citizens, i hear that 2/3s of the population are malnurished while a leader burns 100 dollar bills and eat to his full tossing out the rest instead of giving it to the hungry. is that not hurting their own country? and for what? to maintain a million man army?
or soviet russia in ww2 , shootin its own soldiers that retreated.
or roman armys killing its own soldiers to enforce obediance?
some with enough drive and determination can become leader and run an agenda that they want, and if they want it bad enough they will do it regardless the consiqences.
the whole point is that you have to look at bothsides. problem is that when one retains a majority control of the information its hard for one to make ones mind.
i see no problem with questioning, its a human ability and an instinic(spelling?). im just leary about the governments claims since it wont reveal all the information need to form my own ideas on what happend. :?

I think I follow your line of thinking, and I think I might agree with you, maybe. (God i can't believe I said that).

The piece I don't get is this. Why do you think that our government has to reveal all the info for truth to be discovered? I think the information age of the internet has made it very difficult to cover up anything. It is true that I don't completely trust our government, but it is because it is staffed by government workers, most of whom can't find jobs doing anything else.

I fear our Government's flow of info because I think it may come from INCOMPETENT, untrained, and careless workers, not because I think they are smart enough to hide something from me.

I fear our country's stupidity, not it's purposeful deception.

Barry

the whole idea of my post was to point out the idea that is isnt impossible nore improbable for our government to decieve or injure its own citizens. why would they want to decieve us? i dunno, to get what they want, im sure as a shrink you learned the reasoning about lying. and how children learn at a young age the benefits of lying. people lie to get what they want. so whats to say that the controlling party would not lie to get a certian outcome? i think the government should and has to give us the information we want and need to make an educated deciesion. would you like it if say you were going to surgery and a nurse or a docter thought that the fact you were say allergic to morphine, sulfanomides, or even latex was irrelivent in a major or painful surgery? i see it as a nessisary and relevent part of decision making.

[ucicare]

the whole idea of my post was to point out the idea that is isnt impossible nore improbable for our government to decieve or injure its own citizens. why would they want to decieve us? i dunno, to get what they want, im sure as a shrink you learned the reasoning about lying. and how children learn at a young age the benefits of lying. people lie to get what they want. so whats to say that the controlling party would not lie to get a certian outcome? i think the government should and has to give us the information we want and need to make an educated deciesion. would you like it if say you were going to surgery and a nurse or a docter thought that the fact you were say allergic to morphine, sulfanomides, or even latex was irrelivent in a major or painful surgery? i see it as a nessisary and relevent part of decision making.

Ok, I can see and agree that a controlling party would try (at some level) to lie, cheat, deceive, etc to keep power and control. I just do not believe in these vast, massive cover up theories. The logisitcs are just impossible.

Take for example the accusation that the war in Iraq was just a cover for us to steal all their oil. If we got all that crude, why have my gas prices doubled? Heck, I bet you a dollar that Mr Bush could have stated boldly that we were going into Iraq to steal their oil, and the American people would have rallied around him. Stealing their oil would have been easier to sell than the WMD angle. Can't you see the headlines "Iraq backs Osama - All their Oil will be ours in retribution - Pump prices will fall to 25 cents per gallon." My God, the American people would have backed it without asking for a shred of evidence!

What do you want me to say? That America and it's Government is squeaky clean? Mercy sakes, you know that is not true.

I just can't buy this deep seated, rotten to the core, conspiracy at every level, bomb our own buildings, poison our own water, kind of alarm. Bush just isn't smart enough to do half the subversive stuff attributed to him.

I'm whipped. Nite Nite.

Barry

[Nursey]

Who is the cultist? You are the one that believes that the US Government staged the whole 9/11 thing.
Speaking of 'cults', what Barry, can you tell me about the current U.S. government...you know, the one that got into power through unprecedented, unconventional means, namely the neocons. Who is (was) their mentor, and what are (were) his beliefs?[/quote]
I'm sorry but i'm going to have to hurry you here. Here's a clue : University of Chicago.

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Nursey, what is the connection with the University of Chicago?
(in 500 words or less, please?)

[Nursey]

What's the matter? Can't bring yourself to investigate such strange, new territory (i.e. reality...as opposed to the crass manufactured 'Disney-like' facsimile that is sadly the only version a large percentage of Americans know.) Perhaps it's difficult for you to research and inform yourself of anything that lies beyond the well stampeded track? It's the duty of every human to enlighten themselves to the reality of the world around and not just complacently accepting whatever those who have only their own self suiting agendas want us to know.
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Seeing as you're so obviously used to having everything spoonfed to you by those in authority, i suppose i'll have to do the work for you (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=leo+strauss+neocons+ideology+chicago&meta=), but will leave you to ponder the facts for yourself...

[Nursey]

So who are you suggesting we hit back for this??? As far as I can tell it's not the tens of thousands of Iragi citizens we have bombed to to death that flew these planes into our buildings, nor anyone else we have attacked.


Dearest brainwashed friend, do you really believe that the US has bombed "tens of thousands" of Iraqi citizens? Could you offer even a shred of evidence that would support a number like that?


Dear gullible member of the herd...does The Lancet (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=lancet+medical+journal+%2B+100000+iraqi+deaths&meta=), (a top British medical journal) qualify as evidence to you , or can your channels only be accessed when the information comes from between the comforting, hypnotically mesmerising lips of people like this:
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"Tonight, we sheepdogs are going to be scaremongering you sheepizens into a new pen. That's right...WOOF! It's time to get rather alarmed again, but this time, run over there!"

Now in the 19 month of the occupation by the military forces mainly drawn from the United States and UK along with other smaller contingents all members of the coalition of the aggressors ; Lancet Online Medical Journal based in the UK has published a study by American health experts and researchers at the John Hopkins School of Public Health, Columbia University and al Mustansiriya University Baghdad on the deaths of Iraqi civilians under the military occupation. The study confirms that : " Violent deaths were widespread….and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children…"

The report went on to say that: "Making conservative assumptions , we think that about 100,000 excess deaths , or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes of coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths."

Les Roberts and Gilbert Burnham who collaborated on the research published informed th