I like the idea of this forum

[Dwaine Scum]

It's a cool idea, and I hope we can have some intellectual banter here, instead of the usual retarded gibberish.

Here is a question I was actually wondering:

All on-line personas aside, are there any charities you give too (financially, or man-hour time wise) and why?

Secondly, if you wanted me, or anyone else to give to this charity, how could we, and why should we?

If I get any replies, maybe Ill talk about the charities I work with

[Rat's Tool]

I give money to the GDA, guide dogs of America. It cost around 20k to train on of those dogs to help the blind. I wish I had the time and room to be one of those puppy trainers, although I don't think I will be willing to hand over the dog when the time comes. I been to some of those dog graduation and I seen whole families cry.

[Dwaine Scum]

yeah I bet that would be diffacult, rasing a dog, and working with it, then just having to hand it over, albeit to a good cause..

[smiles]

i know this barely counts but i give blood... or should i say gave blood.... i had an experience where they took 2 bags from me, i didn't actually see them take because the bag was blocked form my view but the guy who was beside me told me after i almost passed out,

[Anonymous]

I do some occasional work at the D.C. Food Not Bombs and contribute to punkvoter.com whenever I can, I work to much and make to little to actually give anyone money though.

[Schmed]

I do some occasional work at the D.C. Food Not Bombs and contribute to punkvoter.com whenever I can, I work to much and make to little to actually give anyone money though.

Shit, that's me.

[Dwaine Scum]

i know this barely counts but i give blood... or should i say gave blood.... i had an experience where they took 2 bags from me, i didn't actually see them take because the bag was blocked form my view but the guy who was beside me told me after i almost passed out,

Holy shit! that’s a lot of plasma... Now that I think of it, I give blood once a year, I guess that’s charity also. The big one I am working with this year is, shop with a cop (http://www.shelbystar.com/news2000/_disc4/00000ba6.htm) in Wake County NC. My dad is the Chaplin of the Wake County Fraternal Order Of Police (http://www.grandlodgefop.org/), and the "shop with a cop" program is his passion. Every year he raises funds, and donators, ect to donate time, money, resources for needy kids at Christmas. This year, I had no idea what to get him for a gift, he told me he wanted me to make a donation to the program, and So I did, and also raised a few corporate sponsors to donate, with my little effort, 26 more kids are going in the program ($100 per kid).. So, I implore everyone in this crappy forum board, to take a little time, just 30 lousy minutes, and do something for someone else. Even if you are flat broke, you can pick up a phone book, and make a few phone calls to make a big business just donate to a charity of your choice.

This year mine are the Shop with a cop, and I also donate a lot of time, and money to the local animal shelter (Johnston County ASPCA)

Well that’s enough ranting from my lard ass..

[Dubya 2.0]

SSAFA

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmens Family Association. £10 ($15) a month.

[Matthew]

im too poor to donate money, however i do donate my time to elves and more
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/2809799
its a pretty cool program where we build and distribute thousands of bikes to some of houstons youth.

[Reizvolles]

I donate to the Guide Dogs for the Visually Impaired Association of Queensland, and the Royal Childrens Hospital Foundation, Brisbane.

Now, Why? Firstly, my best friend is visually impaired and she has an awesome guide dog called Champ. I know exactly how important Champ is to her, and how much it would have cost to train a dog to do the things they do. They are so damn smart. Secondly, because I loved children (I am sure that will go down well with Dwaine). It's probably the motherly instict coming out. I hope to get into bed with Schmedly some day and make 20 babies with him.

[JEFE]

I hope to get into bed with Schmedly some day and make 20 babies with him.

You're not Asian enough for Schmed. Granted, you know about computers, and you're probably great at math, but that doesn't make you Asian.

And so I don't get off topic, I do what I can to support a couple different cancer research organizations. Not for any specific reason other than I just wanted something to support. One day I'll get Parkinsons and become a huge proponent for that.

I know a few people who had/have cancer. The ones I know who had it all beat it except for one who's still fighting. It's a horrible goddamn thing to get.

[Lomotil]

I work for a non-profit organization, isn't that enough?

I swear, everybody has their greedy, fucking grubby paws stretched out looking for a handout these days like it's my fault their mom shot heroin in her third trimester. I don't like charities as a general rule because I don't trust them. Anytime you involve people or money in an equation, you're going to have corruption.

I do, however, help support a few needy folks, most notably this homeless guy that lives close to my store. In the past two years I've hooked him up with a bicycle, clothes, pairs of boots, backpacks, food, tents, blankets, books to read, supplies, etc., (hell, even a mechanical metronome) - but never any money. I provide him with shit he needs to survive and to sustain the occasional job he gets.

Enough of this shit, though... time to target practice on a few neighborhood strays... ;)

[Nursey]

"It's a horrible thing to get."

It's also a huge profit making industry...for some...and in most cases, the treatment is as hazardous or even more so than the illness itself. (I read that in a survey, most doctors and consultants in the field wouldn't take the treatment themselves or advise their families to if they discovered they had cancer...and that it was difficult having to advise patients to undergo it when they didn't even believe in it themselves!) And as with other huge industries, profit is top priority...taking precedence over all else to the detriment of joe public and to the benefit of fat Cheney-type dicks. $$$ :twisted: $$$
And the last thing the stock holders need is everyone discovering miracle cures...which is why anytime someone has discovered something, they have been ridiculed and rejected by Science magazines, had government funds stopped, and in at least one case that i know of...had themselves and their family threatened and their lab smashed up! I'll have to look the exact details up, but i'll post them when i get round to it.

[pimpchichi]

chemotherapy... mmmmm... thousands of lovely dollars per treatment...

[Coma White]

I'm waiting to be aproved for giving blood right now,and on the side form time to time I help raise money for different causes, the last time was for building a school in village in Chile.

[Dr.Roboto]

i used to give to poor/homeless/down-on-thier-luck people, till i had too mand instances where i see contradictions in what they solicited. came up to a guy askin for food, was starving so i stop to get me something to eat and i decide id do something nice and get him a hamburger too. i pull up next to him and offer him the burger and hes say
i dont want the burger, ill take money instead
so i told him fuck you ill i give to some one who needs it bitch , and drove off. i dont feel sorry for it cause i saw him the next day with the same sign, and in that area there is a ton of traffic so i know he made enough to eat at the olive gardin while swollowing wine like shots.
but i have given to charitys, red cross salvation army chruches even though i dont like them schools ect.

[Dwaine Scum]

"It's a horrible thing to get."

It's also a huge profit making industry...for some...and in most cases, the treatment is as hazardous or even more so than the illness itself. (I read that in a survey, most doctors and consultants in the field wouldn't take the treatment themselves or advise their families to if they discovered they had cancer...and that it was difficult having to advise patients to undergo it when they didn't even believe in it themselves!) And as with other huge industries, profit is top priority...taking precedence over all else to the detriment of joe public and to the benefit of fat Cheney-type dicks. $$$ :twisted: $$$
And the last thing the stock holders need is everyone discovering miracle cures...which is why anytime someone has discovered something, they have been ridiculed and rejected by Science magazines, had government funds stopped, and in at least one case that i know of...had themselves and their family threatened and their lab smashed up! I'll have to look the exact details up, but i'll post them when i get round to it.

Well, I have cancer right now, that means thanks to these money grubbing fat chaieny types, I should be anti-establment and suffer? maybe just crawl away and die? Charity is charity period...

[baconbob]

I lika do da cha cha :!:

[Fugly]

I lika do da cha cha :!:

Strike one.

[Deebo57]

"These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust.

can that be strike 2?

[Nursey]

Well, I have cancer right now, that means thanks to these money grubbing fat chaieny types, I should be anti-establment and suffer? maybe just crawl away and die? Charity is charity period...
No...and i'm very sorry to hear that. It's a tricky issue to discuss with someone who has it as i realised when a close relative developed it. I made my opinion known, but after that wouldn't offer any more on my opinion unless it was specifically requested, and was supportive of their choice to take the orthodox approach.
Personally, i have a lot more faith in a holistic approach - mainly Traditional Chinese Medicine (acupuncture and herbs) - to conditions of such complexity.
The point i was trying to make was that, on the whole, the cancer industry is a bit of a big corrupt farce. Any scientific discoveries that threaten what has become a phenominally lucrative industry is subsequently buried.
This article: Science And The Coming Dark Age (http://www.rense.com/general58/darkage.htm), illustrates the same principle very well.
"You could write the entire history of science in the last 50 years in terms of papers rejected by Science or Nature." Paul C. Lauterbur, winner of the Nobel Prize for medicine, whose seminal paper on magnetic resonance imaging was originally rejected by Nature.

"The great tragedy of science - the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact."
--Thomas H. Huxley

Since we were little children, we have all been taught that the salvation of our once deeply confused and primitive species was -- and is -- science. Scientific reasoning, the ability to determine the truth through systematic and repeated observation, anchors mankind in rationality and sanity, keeping us safe from the turbulent sea of ignorance and superstition. We have science to thank for proving that the world is not flat, the moon is not made of cheese, and ghosts and demons do not run rampant when darkness falls on the earth.

But the same text-books that extoll the magnificence of scientific achievement and discovery fail to mention the numerous black eyes of science. Many are unaware that below the visible exterior of this noble endeavor lies a dark underbelly of corruption, greed, and political warfare.

Everyone is familiar with the travails and injustices suffered by some of history's great scientific pioneers, the most famous being Copernicus and Galileo. These "dangerous" mavericks paid an enormous price for challenging traditional assumptions. Unbeknownst to many, this pattern of suppression and censorship, directed at those who "think outside the box," has continued into the modern era.

In the field of cosmology - the study of how the universe began, how it works, and where it is going - a number of popular theories are considered so "obviously true" that few dare to challenge them. The big bang, black holes, dark matter, and the fundamental theory of gravitational dominance in the Universe are widely presented as FACTS by the scientific mainstream. But what if I told you that a key underpinning of these popular THEORIES has already been disproved by Space Age discoveries?

I am not a scientist, and have no exotic theory to peddle. But even I -- a common man with no training in the sciences -- know that the big bang theory is false. I repeat, I KNOW this...and so do many in the Establishment. They just haven't gotten around to telling you yet.

The big bang, or rather the reasoning behind the theory, has been shattered by recent images from space. This may seem like a bold assertion, but it's not. It's an indisputable fact. The most fundamental assumption behind the big bang has been proven wrong. I will explain why in plain English.




This revelation, so devastating to cherished theory, has not gone unnoticed. A group of distinguished astronomers, including Halton Arp himself, presented a paper on this very subject to the American Astronomical Society meeting in January 2004. The paper has also been submitted to an astronomical journal, with a peer review committee recommending heavy "editing" before publication. Permission to publish has yet to be granted.

There is more to this story, and the facts grow increasingly unsettling. Halton Arp has been delivering critical information to astronomers for many years, and has paid a heavy price. Eventually, the astronomical community DENIED Arp further telescope time, forcing him to leave the United States to carry on his work (he is now affiliated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany.) The people responsible for these actions no doubt felt they were justified in ostracizing Arp for the "greater good." But the evidence is becoming clear that this is yet another black mark on science that will not be easily removed.

Recently, dozens of top scientists, including Arp, Eric J. Lerner, and Michael Ibison authored an open letter to the scientific community, arguing that the dominance of big bang theory "rests more on funding decision than on the scientific method." They write: "Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

"Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible..." (Source: http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm)

Members of the general public need to fully understand the enormity of the stakes here. This is not just an issue for academicians fascinated by cosmology. The issue will affect the direction and quality of education for decades. It will also affect the ability of teachers to attract and inspire new students. And it will affect the path of space age exploration, involving BILLIONS of dollars in public expenditure. How would John Q. Public feel if he knew that his tax dollars are being spent to perpetuate a discredited picture of the universe?

Donating money to a charity that funds a corrupt industry doesn't help anyone apart from the 'Cheneys' of the world.

[ratatouille]

I have a birds eye view of the monster of medicine at work. some patients i take care of are on 20 or more meds. the more they take, the worse they feel, therefore they need more to counteract the side effects. Chris Rock was right on during his 'comedic' bit when he said there will never be a cure for AIDS/HIV, they will just enble one to live with it. The money is in the treatment, not the cure. Medicine can prolong life but it does not always provide a good quality of life. I see many, many, patients that need to STOP toturing their bodies!! That being said, I would like the opportunity to be treated for my ailments with herbs but since there are no regulations as to the strength or quality of OTC herbs I wouldnt know where to begin. There are several Chinese Medicine clinics in my area I would also like to go to, however modern insurance coverage doesn't cover those types of treatments. A medical doctor I once knew gave me free acupunture, then referred me to his daughters practice where I could pay for it. Since I am poor, I did not go.
To stay with the topic, as much of a bitch that i am, i do take pity on people who are sick and suffering. I have raised funds to feed the poor, provide clothing and gifts to children for the holidays etc...I am involved with my student nurses association and coordinate and organize community programs. I also adopt stray cats and give small amts of $$ to the local sheriff's assoc. and also Planned Parenthood. This spring I am coordinating and AIDS/HIV, STD education outreach and also providing blood pressure screening. I also coordinate an osteoporosis prevention program for 2nd and 3rd grade children.

[smiles]

I also coordinate an osteoporosis prevention program for 2nd and 3rd grade children.

wow when i was in grade 2 and 3 the only thing my teachers were trying to prevent was me eating the gluesticks... it's a sick world we live in

[ratatouille]

we teach them that drinking milk and exercise is good basically. its fun, they like it and get to play with a skeleton and sing songs etc... i would recommend the minty semi-sweet paste over the glue sticks though. it tastes better and wont kill you.

[DangerousDan]

we teach them that drinking milk and exercise is good basically. its fun, they like it and get to play with a skeleton and sing songs etc... i would recommend the minty semi-sweet paste over the glue sticks though. it tastes better and wont kill you.

Hopefully you are trying to get them to drink skim milk as milk can be one of the worst foods for artery clogging saturated fat. As a former researcher and medical student I completely disagree with your holistic medicine statements. If you want to understand the way medical research really works I will try to lay it out for you. The government funded NIH research and so forth is provided on the basis of scientific merit and what is judged to be the most potentially beneficial research and is given out to University Departments such as Biochemistry/genetics, Physiology, Pathology, ect. Often times that research involves things that don't directly translate into immediate therapies for disease but provide the foundation for understanding how the body works. For example discovering a biochemical pathway. Private research groups often utilize this research to come up with research they think might translate into a treatment option that will make money. However, government funded University Research also looks for potential treatments. Everyone is standing on the backs of the people that came before them. Past publications using scientifically accepted methods and statistics provide the basis for determing the direction of future research. Holistic medicine is mainly just a bunch of mumbo jumbo put out by "humanists" who are trying to mix spirituality with cold scientific facts. Females seem to be especially prone to buying into this kind of crap. Herbal therapies are the same thing as drug therapies in that the herbs contain chemicals that effect the body. For example some can thin the blood, increase the heart rate and blood pressure. This can be good or bad. Problem is you never know what you are getting and the manufactures aren't required to standardize it. One time you get one dose of a chemical one time another dose. Just like there is "good" and "bad" pot.

[DangerousDan]

Thats current medical student and former medical researcher.

[Deebo57]

Just like there is "good" and "bad" pot.

thats not right

[Dwaine Scum]

I am not going to bullshit, and beat around the bush, I have known for almost 2 months now, Fugly was one of the first people I told, I have testicular cancer, its not like its a major thing (like liver, blood, stomach, ect) and I am sorry I snapped ant nursey, I lub her to death, I just feel like shit hearing people just slamming something that have no control over. Basically I will love one of my balls, and never have any children. That is the reason why I broke up with my fiancee, and just sit in my dark room, and do nothing. Work, and nothing. I talk hard, but yes, I wanted my own child one day, unless I start fucking hard, nonstop for the next month, it ain't gonna happen. So yes I am a bit bitter... I appologize to all i have been a douchebag too recently

[unlimited-time]

Not knowing to much about testicular cancer, could they not have frozen some of your sperm for you so you could always have a choice later on with IVF?

[ratatouille]

we teach them that drinking milk and exercise is good basically. its fun, they like it and get to play with a skeleton and sing songs etc... i would recommend the minty semi-sweet paste over the glue sticks though. it tastes better and wont kill you.

Hopefully you are trying to get them to drink skim milk as milk can be one of the worst foods for artery clogging saturated fat. As a former researcher and medical student I completely disagree with your holistic medicine statements. If you want to understand the way medical research really works I will try to lay it out for you. The government funded NIH research and so forth is provided on the basis of scientific merit and what is judged to be the most potentially beneficial research and is given out to University Departments such as Biochemistry/genetics, Physiology, Pathology, ect. Often times that research involves things that don't directly translate into immediate therapies for disease but provide the foundation for understanding how the body works. For example discovering a biochemical pathway. Private research groups often utilize this research to come up with research they think might translate into a treatment option that will make money. However, government funded University Research also looks for potential treatments. Everyone is standing on the backs of the people that came before them. Past publications using scientifically accepted methods and statistics provide the basis for determing the direction of future research. Holistic medicine is mainly just a bunch of mumbo jumbo put out by "humanists" who are trying to mix spirituality with cold scientific facts. Females seem to be especially prone to buying into this kind of crap. Herbal therapies are the same thing as drug therapies in that the herbs contain chemicals that effect the body. For example some can thin the blood, increase the heart rate and blood pressure. This can be good or bad. Problem is you never know what you are getting and the manufactures aren't required to standardize it. One time you get one dose of a chemical one time another dose. Just like there is "good" and "bad" pot.
uh, I dont see how we are disagreeing on that. I agree that herbal therapies work like drugs, and they do have real effects. I also agree that they are not "standardized". And skim milk is not appropriate for growing children unless they are overweight.

[DangerousDan]

And skim milk is not appropriate for growing children unless they are overweight.

Skim milk has all the protein and calcium and vitamins of whole milk or 2% and none of the fat and just 1% of the the daily allowance for cholesterol. Kids too much fat from other foods already.

[ratatouille]

And skim milk is not appropriate for growing children unless they are overweight.

Skim milk has all the protein and calcium and vitamins of whole milk or 2% and none of the fat and just 1% of the the daily allowance for cholesterol. Kids too much fat from other foods already.
every child is different. you cant make a blanket statement that all kids are eating too much fat because not all of them are.

[Nursey]

I am sorry I snapped ant nursey, I lub her to death[/url]

AWW! :oops: I defy ANYONE to find where Dwaine has ever said that about ANYONE in these forums before! ANYONE!!!! I AM THE BEST! HOO HAA! ERECT GREAT STATUES AND PICTURES OF ME THROUGHOUT THE FORUM!!!:mad:
And you can snap at me anytime. Just don't get me to make you a sammich.
But seriously, i'm glad to hear that it isn't one of the worst types. Breast and testicular cancer are the ones i have heard success stories about in terms of treatment. I have a friend who told me he'd had a testicle removed due to cancer years before and i was shocked to hear it, only because of how exceptionally well and full of vitality he was, and that despite the fact he was nearly 50 and ran a pub, so spent just about every weekend clubbing and enjoying life to the limit.

My advice to you would be to go for TCM as well as any other treatment you plan to get. As well as the treatment itself, they will give you dietry advice to best enable your body to recover. And do your best to stay positive. *Sends a big bubble of pink fluffy luff to engulf Dwainey's nadtastic nether regions*
[quote="DangerousDan"] Holistic medicine is mainly just a bunch of mumbo jumbo put out by "humanists" who are trying to mix spirituality with cold scientific facts.
We are not talking about just any 'holistic' medicine, (and there are a few which do seem a bit 'out there'), we're talking about traditional Chinese medicine. It isn't some new age, airy fairy gibberish. Quite the opposite. It's a highly complex system that has been around for thousands of years (because true wisdom withstands the test of time...), and for you to dismiss without having any knowledge about it is pretty ignorant.

Traditional Chinese Medicine (http://www.index-china.com/index-english/TCM-s.html) ("TCM") is an integral part of Chinese culture. It has made great contributions to the prosperity of China. Today both of TCM and western medicine are being used in providing medical and health services in China. TCM, with its unique diagnostic methods, systematic approach, abundant historical literature and materials, has attracted many attentions from the international community.

TCM is well recognized for its remarkable effectiveness in off setting the side effect caused by the toxic and chemical treatment of cancer cases in the western medical system.

And perhaps the blame for lack of regulation of the herbs used lies with your own government. And just as in modern western medicine, you get some practitioners who are more reputable than others, and will do their best to ensure quality of treatment. In the U.K. there is a respected organisation which lists only those practitioners who are properly qualified. There will be an American equivalent i'm sure, and this would be the best way to select a trustworthy doctor.
In China, TCM is under the administration of State Administration of TCM and Pharmacology. TCM and its development are regulated. National strategies, law and regulations governing TCM are now in place to guide and promote the research and development in this promising industry.
TCM is defined as a medical science governing the theory and practice of traditional Chinese medicine. It includes Chinese medication, pharmacology/herbalogy, acupuncture, massage and Qigong.

[Nursey]

The Cancer Establishment, The Cancer Industry, Cancer, Inc. (http://www.themsmfoundation.org/The%20Cancer%20Establishment1.htm)


An important goal of this foundation is to illuminate the dark fact that most of what you have heard over your lifetime about cancer treatments is not the truth. At the very least, you have received an incomplete picture. If you believe the propaganda you have been fed and you develop cancer, it can cost you your life. Those of you old enough to remember and those who have heard of the pre-world war two years and the Nazi Propaganda Campaign will remember their famous saying: "Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it", Adolph Hitler. In the United States, economic interests masquerade as therapeutic regimens and scientific concern. Their goal is to own and completely control a disease-cancer-as if it were a commodity, and to quash competition (meaning alternative approaches) , so as to maintain a marketplace monopoly.
Money leads politics by the nose. The financial interests of drug companies, conventional cancer doctors, hospitals, HMOs, and others in what is known as the Cancer Establishment, have eclipsed the integrity of the Hippocratic Oath, money and politics have proclaimed conventional approaches as scientifically validated and therefore mandated by law. The terrible flaw in this convenient financial setup is that the profits that flow to the cancer establishment are derived from human lives lost to cancer because successful alternative approaches are outlawed or unreported.

To the cancer establishment, a cancer patient is a profit center. The actual clinical and scientific evidence does not support the claims of the cancer industry. Conventional cancer treatments are in place as the law of the land because they pay, not because they heal the best. Decades of the politics-of-cancer-as-usual have kept you from knowing this and will continue to do so unless you wake up to their reality.

Many different promising approaches to curing cancer now exist, urgently in need of further research to bring out their full potential. Yet many of these approaches and their practitioners have been persecuted, harassed, straitjacketed, or driven out of the country by a medical establishment that puts profit before people and cares mainly about preserving its business monopoly. Dr. Robert C. Atkins, well-known nutrition author and an advocate of complementary medicine, puts the matter succinctly when he says, "There have been many cancer cures, and all have been ruthlessly and systematically suppressed with a Gestapo-like thoroughness by the cancer establishment. The cancer establishment is the not-too-shadowy association of the American Cancer Society (ACS), the leading cancer hospitals, the National Cancer Institute, and the FDA." He adds," The shadowy part is the fact that these respected institutions are very much dominated by members and friends of members of the pharmaceutical industry, which profits so incredibly much from our profession-wide obsession with chemotherapy". A lot of people simply can’t believe that the deliberate suppression of lifesaving, valid therapies-especially cancer therapies-is possible in modern America. Unfortunately, they are dead wrong.

The cancer establishment has a fifty-year history of corruption, incompetence, and deliberate suppression of cancer therapies that actually work. This includes the rigging of clinical trials at major institutions in order to discredit nontoxic, natural therapies (as Barry Lynes has documented in his invaluable book The Healing Of Cancer). Even distinguished medical doctors who " play by the rules " of modern science-publishing their results and making their alternative methods available for inspection-are condemned by the cancer establishment because these methods, if widely adopted would directly compete with the money-intensive modalities of toxic chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery, invasive treatments that often do more harm than good.

Today, treating cancer is a megabillion –dollar industry. Every thirty seconds, another American is diagnosed with the disease. Half a million Americans die of cancer annually, yet there are even more people making a living off cancer than there are people dying of it-and many of them are making a very good living indeed. Just getting a new anticancer drug approved takes ten to twelve years and $l20 million. This process in itself excludes many promising alternatives from ever being tested. Cancer patients typically spend $30,000 to $50,000 on toxic, often devastating therapy and get very little for their money. Cancer is the single most lucrative segment of the medical industry, which eats up a fat chunk of the Gross National Product.

Given the high stakes, what are the chances the medical-pharmaceutical complex would welcome an innovative outsider who came up with a safe, nontoxic, inexpensive cancer cure-a diet, an herbal compound, a bioelectric energy, or a naturally occurring bodily chemical? Practically nil. As Barry Lynes bluntly states, " The American Cancer Society is not interested in a cure, it would go out of business."

[Nursey]

Go to the site and read the whole of that last article, as it is someone with first hand knowledge on the subject. Also, i've looked out a couple of alternative treatments that cost little or nothing and can at least do no harm. Though the first one might be worth keeping quiet about, if you choose to try it. And keeping a packet of extra strong mints handy might also be advisable. :|
Your Own Perfect Medicine (http://www.all-natural.com/urine.html)

You may think that when it comes to alternative health therapies - you've heard it all.

But there is one natural therapy you've probably never heard of - even though it's one of the most powerful, most researched and most medically proven natural cures ever discovered.

No matter how hard it may be for you to stomach, the fact is that knowing the truth about this incredible natural substance will be one of the most crucial health facts you'll ever learn. And one of the most remarkable things about this incomparable natural therapy is that the medical community has already been aware of its astounding efficacy for decades, and yet none of us has ever been told about it. Why? Maybe they think it's too controversial. Or maybe, more accurately, there wasn't any monetary reward for telling people what scientists know about one of the most extraordinary natural healing elements in the world.

But no matter why the medical establishment has chosen to keep his invaluable information a secret, it's time that every man, woman and child be told about the only health tool in the world that is always available to everyone and never out of reach - physically or financially. So I want you to sit back, open your mind and get ready to hear the incredible medical facts about human urine - the facts that will change your life.
How to win the "War On Cancer"! (http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/promote.htm)
You can expect no help from the authorities to bring an end to cancer. Cancer is just too profitable, and our political system is too easily corrupted by big money. The cancer industry regards complementary and alternative medicine as competitors for your business, and has no interest in ending cancer. To end cancer requires a grass-roots effort. Here is what you can do:

Purchase the pH strips and use them yourself. Buy a few extra containers of pH strips and share them with your family and friends. Teach them how to do the saliva pH test and tell them about this web site so they can learn the importance of alkalinity and detoxification. "Word of mouth" is the most powerful form of advertising. If you like this web site then please share it with a friend.

The saliva test is the starting point for a true "war on cancer". AN ACIDIC SALIVA pH IS A CLEAR CALL TO ACTION, PERHAPS MANY YEARS BEFORE SERIOUS DISEASE MANIFESTS. As everyone in the population learns about alkalinity and begins to monitor their saliva pH, the incidence of cancer will begin to plummet. More than that, all degenerative disease will begin to disappear. This prospect is enough to strike terror into the hearts of medical professionals and corporate boardrooms who depend on your illness for their livelihood!

This is all we need to do to win the war on cancer.

[ratatouille]

a blood Ph would be more telling of a condition i believe. according to this site, those Ph strips are a bunch of foolishness:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/reams.html

[Nursey]

a blood Ph would be more telling of a condition i believe. according to this site, those Ph strips are a bunch of foolishness:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/reams.html
Possibley, i wasn't vouching for it in any way. I just thought it might be worth investigating.

[DangerousDan]

I think the best thing to do is get the best doctors on the job and follow their instructions. Other than that I would just eat healthy. Lots of fruits and vegetables with antioxidants, vitamins and cofactors to help the body fight off not only cancer but other types of disease. Taking vitamins is good but probably not in megadoses. For example I heard that taking 1000% of the daily allowance of Vitamin E like they come in those capsules can interfere with other fat soluble vitamin absorbtion like Vitmain B 12. Alot of the good vitamins and cofactors and so forth found in fruits and vegetables probably haven't been identified so eating good is important even if you take vitamins. I heard recently that drinking orange juice can help for example to fighting off cancer. Some people were even claiming that it could shrink tumors. Anyway, that would seem to make sense because of vitamin C and is an antioxidant.

[DangerousDan]

Also trying to stay unstressed and getting enough sleep is important. Being stressed lowers your immune system. You need your immune system to be strong so that it can more effectively kill the cancer cells.

[Nursey]

Now you sound more intelligent Dan. When you aren't just mouthing off about stuff you've been told by a higher authority to dismiss and look down on. And the advice you gave there is advice that would have been considered 'alternative' and 'holistic' in the early 70's, for example. It's the same kind of osmosis of information that is responsible for so many orthodox doctors these days beginning to see for themselves and accept the benefits of some holistic approaches, mainly homeopathy and Chinese medicine.

[DangerousDan]

Even though kids need a certain amount of fat in the diet it is highly unlikely that they aren't already getting too much and even if they weren't the fat in milk is saturated fat which is the worst type of fat as in clooging up arteries.

[ratatouille]

Even though kids need a certain amount of fat in the diet it is highly unlikely that they aren't already getting too much and even if they weren't the fat in milk is saturated fat which is the worst type of fat as in clooging up arteries.
right, and we all know how 6 year olds have horrible arterial disease and heart disease. apples and oranges. what's good for adults isnt whats good for children. Again, since you either ignored me the first time or just want to be arugumentative, there is no reason to feed children diet foods and reduced calorie diets unless they have a weight problem. kids need animal fat in their diets. their nutrional needs are not the same as an adults. if you are a medical student or whatever it is you claim to be in school for, break out your peds book and have a read about nutrition.