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Fugly

11-01-2004, 05:51 PM

I know everyone that lives here in the U.S. is going to vote tomorrow. I mean, what kind of an idiot wouldn't? So my question is, who are you going to vote for? If you're not in the U.S., who WOULD you vote for and why?

I'm really curious to know what people in other countries think of our debacle of a political process. You can bet your asses it's going to get weird after tomorrow. I don't think we're going to know who the next President is until some time in January.

Schmed

11-01-2004, 07:23 PM

You can bet your ass I'm going to vote (I just signed on here to post pretty much the same thing but the main man beat me too it). More people than ever have signed up to vote, now we can only pray that they use their right and do just that. Could be record setting year. I myself live in D.C. and the political climate here is HOT. I'm more than a little bit worried that a riot will break out of that fucker Bush wins. Though apperantly my Green Bay Packers have already decided that Kerry has won. Please people go out on vote, for christ sakes you can even get out of an hour or two of work to do it. This farce of an admin. has making a fool out of 'Merica for far too long. And as far as I'm concerned I want Bush and his fucking cronies the fuck outta my country. We have the sons and daughters of America dying for false reasons, dying for fucking oil and a rich mans wallet. We have alienated over half the world. (Let's not forget Poland)You want to stop a terrorist then go vote for Kerry and get the terrorist out of office. Please please please use your right as a citizen of this country and vote. Drag a drunk/high/stupid non-voteing friend with you and make him/her vote. This is rapidly becoming an Orwellian nightmare. Bush and Co. bring 'Doublespeak' to a new level. Fuck the 'Clear Skies Initiative', fuck a 600 dollar check, fuck peace thru bombs, fuck cutting down forests to stop forest fires, fuck insane tax cuts for the rich, fuck them spending OUR medicare (none of us are getting any younger) and FUCK BUSH. No Bush isn't the source of all our problems but his track record inidcates that he will continue to do insane fucked up shit and getting voted back into office is only going to make him and co. feel more secure at how stupid and easily manipulated Americans are, think the last 4 years was bad...I just hope it dosn't come to another four years. GO VOTE!!!!

ratatouille

11-01-2004, 08:59 PM

The US has been pretty self-suficient historically, and has rarely had to go to war to get what it needs so all of a sudden people are up in arms about the war for oil. Frankly, I say kill 'em all. If we got the $$, and we got the bombs, then let's get the oil too. But I hate Bush too. And, I live in Funkytown, FL where Jeb Bush has managed to fuck up our state. Not once, but twice he has interfered to keep two different vegetative women alive against the family's wishes. Not to mention the anti-abortion stance he and his brother have. And George is a fucking moron. I don't like Kerry either, but I don't want to give away my vote by voting for Nader. So I will be voting for Kerry. The majority of new registered voters in FL are Democrats. And already, they are having problems with the absentee ballots and I heard something on the news about Republican lawyers showing up at the polls to challenge the validity of Democratic registrations. Is that even fucking legal? I have my voter registration card and my license, if someone tries to challenge mine I will have to rip their balls off. It's going to be fun voting in FL at noon when I get out of the hospital tomorrow.

As far as other countries are concerned, for the most part they think ALL us US citizens are pro-Bush since he is the president. I never voted for Bush, I never would, and I may get a vote tomorrow but I don't have any control over what the gov't does here. I could devote my life to politics I suppose, but I have other things to do with my time. Like work and pay my fucking taxes.

Schmed

11-01-2004, 09:53 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Schmed/favreskins12.jpg

smiles

11-01-2004, 09:56 PM

The US has been pretty self-suficient historically, and has rarely had to go to war to get what it needs so all of a sudden people are up in arms about the war for oil. Frankly, I say kill 'em all. If we got the $$, and we got the bombs, then let's get the oil too.

rat i refuse to believe that you're that stupid... what kind of attitude is that... you just supported every war atrocity ever committed, you just said what saddam did to kuwait is ok, what bin ladin did to US is ok, what happens every day in Africa or any other war torn shit stain on the face of the earth is A OK with rat because hey... one side has the bombs and guns so why shouldn't they take every measly cent from everyone else, not like they can do anything about it... well guess what THEY CAN DO SHIT ABOUT IT, and the firmer the hold america has on the world the more desperate people get, I�m in no way advocating suicide bombers but what the fuck do u think that is? desperation, it's not for allah it's a bunch of desperate individuals who have nothing to live for but to die satisfied that american blood will stain the ground that night

ratatouille

11-01-2004, 10:23 PM

The US has been pretty self-suficient historically, and has rarely had to go to war to get what it needs so all of a sudden people are up in arms about the war for oil. Frankly, I say kill 'em all. If we got the $$, and we got the bombs, then let's get the oil too. it's not for allah it's a bunch of desperate individuals who have nothing to live for but to die satisfied that american blood will stain the ground that night

so it wasn't because they wanted what we have, it was just to destroy us. I am not anti-war. Shit, if you want something then fight for it. Dont be mad at the US because we win more often. The arabs dont want to make a deal with us or play fair, so fuck 'em. I am not talking about any other country or any other wars. Besides, who gives a fuck really? I can't change a fuckin thing.

smiles

11-01-2004, 11:01 PM

Deebo57

11-01-2004, 11:17 PM

well lets see if the "Redskin Rule' applies again this year if it does,goodbye Bush.

whipone

11-01-2004, 11:48 PM

Favre for prez yo. Bush needs to get back to running companies into the ground instead of nations. Oh yeah, FUCK TEXAS.

ratatouille

11-02-2004, 01:22 AM

so it wasn't because they wanted what we have, it was just to destroy us. I am not anti-war. Shit, if you want something then fight for it. Dont be mad at the US because we win more often. The arabs dont want to make a deal with us or play fair, so fuck 'em. I am not talking about any other country or any other wars. Besides, who gives a fuck really? I can't change a fuckin thing.

the hatred for america runs so deep in some places that you can scarcely fathom it and it's very nice of you to sit in a chair and type this while you have the most sophisticated killing machines doing your dirty work across the seas just so u can spare the extra 5cents at the pump for your off road 4x4, I�m going overboard here clearly but for you to say "the arabs don't play fair so fuck them" is one of the most hypocritical statements i've heard u make yet, since when does america play fair? honestly think historically, fuck that think recently, from downplaying the shit going on in russia with the checnyans and labeling them "hostage takers" instead of terrorists to invading a sovereign nation to do what? get weapons of mass destruction- none were found. Remove a tyrant- there's more warlords and tyrants in africa committing genocide as we speak, or perhaps go after that rich gooey opaque liquid that powers our seated lawn mowers? and i realize that when rooted in the masses it's next to impossible to make a difference, nothing wrong in wanting to spend more time fucking and boozing then providing for the needy or campaigning for some Caucasian shithead but don�t u at least want to know where those taxes u pay go? if your cash is paying for a "fuck saddam" daisy cutter that'll end up shredding Mohammad Ahmed in his sleep or some other poor fuck or is it going to actualy benefit you, or the community you live in, in some way. shit that's why i refuse to move to America at least in canada i know my overtaxed cheque is going someplace it's needed
its alot more than 5 cents more per gallon. way to oversimplify. i dont pay taxes- they are taken from me. To give everybody the same benefits, and same access to health care- like socialized medicine that is working sooo well for Canada; would make us commies or socialists. Funny that your politicians come here for doctor visits because they cant fucking get in up there. What do you think I am doing by nursing? It's one small way to benefit the needy and my community. One small drop in the bucket along with my tiny little vote for someone I hate just a little bit less than the other guy. Oh yeah, and fuck Africa too. The only thing they ever contributed to us were slaves and AIDS, and slavery was abolished long ago. My government is not necessaily the best, but its one I used to and I able to live a pretty decent life. Immigrants-WHAT? Yeah, our WHOLE country is made up of people DYING to live here. Except for the Indians who we killed most of then gave casino's. See? They should have fought better. Survival of the fittest and all that. Way to go Cananduh and Mexico for letting every dirty fucker in.

Schmed

11-02-2004, 02:39 PM

I serioulsy hope that all of you fuckers that reside here in the USA went and voted today, with the exception of the few that can't like our resident felon Deebo and probably Dwaine.

Deebo57

11-02-2004, 03:18 PM

yup,not eligible to vote till september of next year. :?

Schmed

11-02-2004, 03:45 PM

Deebo, as far as you can tell what way are Flordias voters leaning??

Fugly

11-02-2004, 04:04 PM

yup,not eligible to vote till september of next year. :?

What are you saying, that you're a felon or that you're not 18 years old yet? I didn't think that you were ever allowed to vote again once you were convicted of a felony. I don't think you're supposed to own firearms either but that hasn't stopped Dwaine.

What ever happened to Nursey and Pimpdaddy and all those others in the UK and Scotland? I'd like to hear what they think too. Lomo has probably got a good take on it too.

Schmed

11-02-2004, 04:07 PM

Can a felon be expunged??

pimpchichi

11-02-2004, 04:17 PM

whoever wins..... everybody loses....

Schmed

11-02-2004, 05:46 PM

Getting Bush out is top priority, end of story. Things can only go up from here.

Nursey

11-02-2004, 06:15 PM

In my opinion, the same powers that decided who won the last election will decide who wins this year.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/connect.jpg

ratatouille

11-02-2004, 06:37 PM

holy shit. that has to be a record for the world's shortest post Nursey has ever made regarding politics.

Fugly

11-02-2004, 06:53 PM

This also has to be a record for the most replies to ANY post before someone started calling someone else a douche-bag or describing how they's like to anally rape them.

Thanks for staying on the topic. This is actually very interesting.

Robman97

11-02-2004, 07:07 PM

Well, I am a registered Independent, but I voted for Bush. I think Kerry is a freaking Moron and the mentality of anything is better is no way to think. I think the two party system blows ass, but who would vote for Nader? I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I believe he would do a better job so.....

ratatouille

11-02-2004, 07:27 PM

Fugly

11-02-2004, 07:35 PM

What do you guys think is the worst in post-election-chaos that can happen? Consider Bush winning. Do you think there will be riots? What about if Kerry wins?

Robman97

11-02-2004, 07:45 PM

Well either way there will be pissed of people, if riots broke out they would few and far between. I am more afraid of it being like 2000's election, the nation is already divided by the election another debacle would make it ten times as worse. Then, there is the economic problems that would arise, no one likes to buy shit when a major election has gone bad, the dow would dip big time. Lastly, not that I care that much, but the rest of the world would think even less of us if we screw another election up. How can we help other countries do it if we can't even do it. My 2 cents if they mean anything to ya.

Dwaine Scum

11-02-2004, 08:04 PM

I hope there is a Riot near-by, I could use a new Livingroom suite

ratatouille

11-02-2004, 08:29 PM

the chaos that will ensue here will be related to the election officials miscounts of all the FL votes. again. but no one will riot because they are all too scared to break a hip.

smiles

11-02-2004, 09:06 PM

either way man what's sad is that neither party of the self proclaimed greatest nation in the world could select an actualy qualified candidate, it's all good though the EU's gonna l20X j00z soon enough,

ratatouille

11-02-2004, 09:44 PM

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001032.php

Dr.Roboto

11-02-2004, 10:24 PM

I hope there is a Riot near-by, I could use a new Livingroom suite

im in need of some new electronics and could use a new computer, bring on the riots

Deebo57

11-02-2004, 10:24 PM

smiles

11-02-2004, 11:04 PM

Washington D.C. 90% kerry..... gj shmed 8) ..... make sure you guys give Bush one hell of a parade

Dr.Roboto

11-03-2004, 12:05 AM

i hate that fucker bush, the one thing i hate most about his fuckin ass is how he misrepresents texas and makes it look like a bunch of fuckin redneck dipshits. i dont care how much ppl think texas sucks or this or that, fuck bush hes not even from texas but seems to think he is. all he did was fuck us over when he was here, he didnt make any thing better for the working blue collar man, even though he says hes for the people. all thouhg his tax breaks over whelmingly favor the rich and high class. his EPA standard breaks allowing his buddies to work in places they normaly wouldnt be allowed. cut more trees drill the shit out of land an strip mine the fuck out of every thing. i know we need resources but shit like that could be done more sensiably then they are. not every one wants a fuckin oil refinery right behind them. whos stupid enough to fuck up speach after speach after speach, written by highly paid writers and read and rehersed for television only to fuck up. then on war, id rather have some one whos atleast been in some sort of war situation instead of protecting texas and alabama from the communist and vietcong. all in all bush is a stupid lame ass fuck.

any one have any info on the proposed changes for overtime?

Dwaine Scum

11-03-2004, 01:08 AM

Well lok at one Postive if Bush does win, That fucker John Ashcroft will resign

pimpchichi

11-03-2004, 03:02 AM

so bush has won?

Dwaine Scum

11-03-2004, 03:53 AM

well, projected yes... but just like last year, I doubt no one will know until febuary

pimpchichi

11-03-2004, 03:59 AM

you sounded so clever when you said that

Schmed

11-03-2004, 05:29 AM

I don't hate America, I just hate the idiots that live here....

sickem

11-03-2004, 06:12 AM

Looks like you'll have 4 more years to hate. :lol:

DrBungle

11-03-2004, 12:42 PM

http://www.knightmare6.com/-LJ/lj_03.jpg

whipone

11-03-2004, 01:46 PM

Reizvolles

11-03-2004, 02:48 PM

What's a job?

Dr.Roboto

11-03-2004, 03:51 PM

America does suck. But I don't think I'll be moving to any other country anytime soon. Maybe when ALL the jobs are finally gone here I will. Let's see if ol George can get that done in the next 4 years.

i dont mind so much america, id rather live here than any where else considering the freedoms we get.
but i doubt it, hes got to many buddies in corprate america to do that, good ole out sourcing lines the pockets and makes friend at the same time. doesnt matter that the idea lowers the average income of lower income family considering its mostly little jobs that are lost.

why does he make it seem like we are fighting the 1980's the league of doom callin them "evil doers"? fuckin evanglists.

Coma White

11-03-2004, 04:19 PM

So the motherfucker bush won after all.

A message from me to all the people that voted for him

I hope to fucking god that you get hit by another sep'11, you have it comming and you deserve it. I hope you die slow and painful death that Dwaine couldn't even make up.

You will be punished for this, one way or another I 'll make it happen, I'm not a sandnigger for nothing.

smiles

11-03-2004, 09:42 PM

So the motherfucker bush won after all.

A message from me to all the people that voted for him

I hope to fucking god that you get hit by another sep'11.

Only one? :x

Dr.Roboto

11-03-2004, 11:23 PM

may he and the rest of the highclass sociaty be stricken with the worst disease they could imagen, poverty. i hope their fortunes dry up faster than their care for the poor

ratatouille

11-03-2004, 11:42 PM

the real "eeva duh"
http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/nell.jpg

canine_STD

11-03-2004, 11:43 PM

Dr.Roboto

11-04-2004, 08:43 AM

For years, when asked my opinions on America, I'd say something along the lines of "I don't hate americans, just the american government and its bullshit foreign policies". Now I seriously have to wonder, having gone through a 4 year term under bush where he has made the entire world more dangerous, can I respect a group of people who want to keep him for another 4? It's a sad day :(

yea our forein policies are fuckin stupid, but its not always the people who agree too it. most americans dont even know what our foreign policies are. this government has gotten too powerful with the patriot in place. its now turning to 1960s anti communist america. they want every one scared so that instead of really thinking logically about whats happening they get led around like sheep by a retarded sheppard.

DrBungle

11-04-2004, 11:03 AM

Well get ready for the Patriot Act II! An even bigger, wetter pee all over civil liberties.

canine_STD

11-04-2004, 11:45 AM

yea our forein policies are fuckin stupid, but its not always the people who agree too it. most americans dont even know what our foreign policies are.

That's why I'm starting to think less of them, I'll get over it in a week or two and stop caring for the next 4 years..... except I can still register for for an absentee vote for the British election, that must be soon. I Know I don't like ginger haired freaks, and I like the scotts even less, but I might just vote for the liberal democrats in order to get rid of old Tony.

Dubya 2.0

11-05-2004, 04:33 AM

I think the Ginger will get my vote too... give them a fair crack of the whip.

Can't do any worse than the sheep we have in at the moment.

Schmed

11-05-2004, 04:39 AM

canine_STD

11-05-2004, 06:17 AM

I think the Ginger will get my vote too... give them a fair crack of the whip.

Can't do any worse than the sheep we have in at the moment.
It's strange though isn't it? I'm thinking of voting for them because they're more like labour than labour. Besides, they appear to be doing a half decent job north of the border.
I'm fucking moving, I have friends in Montreal that say come on up and stay with us.....
At least you'll get free public health care

Dr.Roboto

11-05-2004, 12:39 PM

It's just great to live in a country were over 50% of the population would rather hate fags and watch Survivor than worry about the environment and war.

"This here be Merica , let's go hate us some fags and watch NASCAR!!"

I'm fucking moving, I have friends in Montreal that say come on up and stay with us.....

yea bunch of sheep. wasnt it like 51-53 of the voting populus didnt like the way bush handled things in war and policies but the same ppl vote to relect the moron? talk about fuckin flip floppers

Dr.Roboto

11-05-2004, 12:41 PM

51-53%*

and one other thing, i was talkin to a buddy whos only reason to want bush relected was to keep his guns. i guess some people just never learn in school.

sickem

11-06-2004, 01:44 AM

wasnt it like 51-53 of the voting populus didnt like the way bush handled things in war and policies but the same ppl vote to relect the moron? talk about fuckin flip floppers
I'd say that's a stronger comment on their regard for Kerry than anything else.

Face it, the Dems seemed to be smoking crack when it came to fielding candidates this cycle. Dean seemed briefly credible - certainly charismatic and interesting - before his hysteric episode. Then out of nowhere comes Kerry - who the fuck IS this guy? Some career D.C. tool whose voting record out-liberals Mr. Liberal, Ted Kennedy. Yeah, HE'LL appeal to the moderate majority. And everybody suspects that it's his wife Tuh-raaaay-za who's the one that wears the pants in that household.

All Kerry brought to the ring was a slick tongue and a self-exaggerated war-hero-cum-protester posture. He claimed to "have a plan" for this, and a plan for that. Too bad he never went into exactly what any of those plans were. And his playing up of a few Band-Aided scratches inflicted by one of HIS OWN grenades he set off accidentally not only didn't impress anybody, it offended more than a few authentic Purple Heart-earners and their friends and family.

So if you want to boil down this election: the fuck-off-Kerry-you-poseur bloc outnumbered the anyone-but-Bush haters. The MTV vote didn't rock at all but proved again to be politically inert with a turnout of only, what, about 24% in that age group?

And the devil known prevailed. :twisted:

sickem

11-06-2004, 03:40 AM

Various from the Doc - not to pick on him particularly but they beg comment:
id rather have some one whos at least been in some sort of war situation
Why do you believe that combat experience is an important Presidential qualification? (Although I have to say Kerry's exact history in that regard is better described as having briefly been in a "war situation" rather than "combat experience"). So did you vote for Dole over Clinton in '96?

hes (Bush) got too many buddies in corprate america to do that, good ole out sourcing lines the pockets and makes friend at the same time.
What, you think Bush is behind the outsourcing movement prevalent in the IT/customer service sectors?

may he and the rest of the highclass sociaty be stricken with the worst disease they could imagen, poverty. i hope their fortunes dry up faster than their care for the poor
As the proverb goes, be careful what you wish for. Would you really care to personally make up the difference in lost income tax revenue? Ever thought about how much that might be?

In 1998, the top 1% of income earners in the U.S. accounted for 35% of income taxes collected by the IRS. This top 1% doesn't include just the hyper-rich like Gates but also those who earn 'only' $400,000 and up - almost half of which (46%) make their money from a self-owned business.

By contrast, the lower 50% of income earners accounted for just 5% of taxes collected.

Put in simpler terms: out of any 100 people, on the average just 1 of them alone pays over one-third of the collective tax bill; 50 account for just one-twentieth, and the other 49 account for the remaining three-fifths.

Does any one of those 99 people really want to make up the respective difference of that lost 35%? Raise your hand if you do.

So when some pandering politician accuses that this or that tax cut "only benefits the rich" and "gives nothing to the poor" - well, who do you think is paying the most in taxes, genius? And who's paying practically nothing? Would it make more sense for those who pay most get the least benefit, and vica versa instead? As bad as their cynicism is for selling such bullshit, what's worse is the ignorance and gullibility by so many who buy it.

As for the poor....sympathize if you want, but don't let it cloud the facts. Umpteen trillions of dollars (I don't know the exact figure - if anyone does, jump in here) have been spent on the poor over the last 35-some years since Johnson declared the "War on Poverty". The result? More so-called poor people than ever. Throwing cash at the poor hasn't made them un-poor - or, if it has to any extent, it doesn't prevent even greater numbers of fresh poor people from coming up behind them.

And just what is "poor", anyway? There's one definition of poverty based on household headcount divided by household income. Whatever that number threshold is, in reality being poor in the U.S. is still doing better materially than being middle-class in many other countries. You can be classified poor and still have cable TV and a car. Maybe it's just basic cable, and the car is a piece of shit, but it runs and gets you where you're going.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems everytime I'm confronted with some televised or printed "personal interest" sob-story bit about some poor family, there's always a bunch of children in the picture. Did these hard-luck cases think serial procreation was an entitlement? That raising children is cheap and easy? Never heard of a thing called contraception? Bullshit.

I don't think poverty is about money. Lack of disposable income isn't the cause, but a symptom. It's about a mindset. All the time I find myself held up in line at a convenience store behind some obviously not-well-to-do type who's lingering over $10, $20 or more in lottery ticket choices. I'm quite sure they've never spent a moment's thought about saving that money weekly, and how much that would grow to over time with interest. They choose to chase a million-dollar payoff that'll never come versus an investment plan that's absolutely sure money.

Then there's these paycheck-cashing outfits for people who apparently don't have checking accounts because they can't afford them. Huh? Any bank around offers basic checking accounts with no minumum deposit for what, $8 - $10/month? How is that more expensive than paying a 3% or more fee to the shysters to cash your paycheck, however small?

I don't have the solution to poverty, but the politicians have proven that they don't, either, and should just shut the fuck up about the whole subject. If you think you've got the answer, Doc, I'd love to hear it.

Schmed

11-06-2004, 07:24 AM

I'm gonna make it really simple right here, if you voted for Bush this year it wasn't just a bad choice, it's a character flaw. If you want a bunch of facts spewed out at you I'll be more than happy to give them too you, but at this point if you don't know better it's because you are a complete, and I mean in all ways possible, ignorant moron. Now I'm not saying Kerry was awesome, in fact he's a douchebag, but i wasn't voteing for him because of what he was, it was what he wasn't...Bush.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

sickem

11-06-2004, 10:33 AM

if you voted for Bush this year...it's a character flaw...you are a complete, and I mean in all ways possible, ignorant moron. :evil:
Ah, the seductiveness of ad hominem attack scores another conquest.

More and more the political process resembles nothing more than - and too infrequently rises above the level of - the froth-mouthed smacktalk of various sports-fan camps: "MY team will kick YOUR team's ass!! You guys are MORONS for liking YOUR team !!"

Debate at this point is moot anyway. I'll just say, sorry you're so pissed that your Packers misled you. Glad you survived the horrible riots around D.C. following Bush's win. And don't forget to leave your forwarding address in Canada so we can send postcards.

Schmed

11-06-2004, 10:43 AM

Your selective reading is annoying at best. And in case you didn't notice there were no riots in D.C. (yes I realize it was you were attempting to be sarcastic), I feel no anger towards you or your ilk, I just feel sorry.

Schmed

11-06-2004, 10:56 AM

And on a final note, I am not a democrat or a republican or any party(there really is not much of a difference between any of them) which allows me to not be blinded by any "team". I just see what the rest of the world is seeing. They are laughing at us, and for good reason. Or are you going to tell me that everyone else on this planet is wrong?? My money is defintly not on the 51% of this country that voted Bush.I just don't get how people like you can deny that 90% of the population of this planet(including the USA) KNOWS better, knows that Bush and co. are a horrible group of people looking out for their best interests, not yours, not mine and definitly not the rest of the planets. 'Sick Em' you are obvioulsy a very book smart person, no one is denying that...so how on earth can you be so blind to the truth?? My email is listed on my profile if you want to have a civilized discussion on the subject. But I doubt you do.

Nursey

11-06-2004, 10:56 AM

I couldn't be bothered reading Emetic's long corporate asslicking post. Here's some info your 'fair and balanced' mainstream news 'surprisingly' doesn't seem to have picked up on...

Vote Fraud 2004 Round Up (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=293078189)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:27 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Stolen Election? (http://66.39.111.188/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=1&TID=8500&SID=338)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:23 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Turns out one County in Ohio, equipped with Diebold electronic voting machines, reported NEGATIVE 25,000 votes.

Machine Error Gives Bush Thousands of Extra Ohio Votes (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1105-23.htm)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:22 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters (http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000715.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:16 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Voting Group Finds Irregularities In Southern States (http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/politics/3895899/detail.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:16 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

BBV: Our position is that fraud took place. (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_politics&Number=293077503#Post293077503)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:15 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Voting irregularities found in 7 Southern States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4598911,00.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:06 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Stolen Election 2004 (http://stolenelection2004.com/)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:00 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
In Election 2000, the Bush regime stole the election and got away with it. Now, in Election 2004, there is new evidence that Bush and the Republicans have stolen the 2004 election by electronic voting fraud in states with E-Voting without paper trails, scrubbing the voter rolls of Democratic voters, and destruction of paper ballots in heavily Democratic areas.

NOBODY ALLOWED TO WITNESS OHIO VOTE TALLY (http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:59 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns.

CBS Shows Tie In TEXAS...Bush wins by 31 points??? (http://www.ultimatetaxi.com/board/messages/389.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:00 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Outrage in Ohio: Angry residents storm State House in response to massive voter suppression and corruption (http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:58 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
This is not going to go away, people.

Election problems due to a software glitch (http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:51 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Computer Glitch Gives Bush 3,893 Extra Votes (http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/3892837/detail.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:22 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Error Will Not Change Election Outcome
Here we see the evolution of the spin from the stolen election. On Wednesday the news was full of puff pieces about how wonderful the electronic voting machines worked. Then, as more and more hard facts emerged the spin changed to how only sore losers dared suggest there were problems with the electronic voting systems. Now, as even more problems surface, the spin changes again to drudgingly admitting that there were indeed problems, but really, they were minor, and no one error would really affect the outcome.
Except that we are not talking about just one or two "errors" but hundreds that we know about, implying thousands more that we do not, and a clear statistical indication in the actuals versus exit polls which shows a clear skewing of the vote towards Bush in those states using paperless/audit less electronic voting machines.

The bottom line is that the errors do not need to demonstrably change the outcome. The errors already discredit the entire election.

Broward machines count backward (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 09:08 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Bad numbers showed up only in running tallies through the day, not the final one. Final tallies were reached by cross-checking machine totals, and officials are confident they are accurate.
How? There is no audit trail on those machines. Those officials have absolutely no way to demonstrate that the final tallies are at all accurate.

Computer Loses More Than 4,000 Early Votes (http://www.wsoctv.com/news/3892151/detail.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:56 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
If a precinct looks to go towards your opponent, just make sure they get the smaller memory cards!

Software flaw found in Florida vote machines (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/stories/11/05flavote.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:54 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone ... down.

A Full Investigation is Required (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=90&ItemID=6573)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:42 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Because neither the polls nor the demographics appear to statistically explain the 8 million vote (16%) surge for Mr. Bush in this election, the 2004 Presidential race can not be declared final, free or fair without such studies.

Should America Trust the Results of the Election? (http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:21 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this election just yet.
Note the link between "fraud" and "tin foil hat". Well, it won't work. FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD! FRAUD!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_exit_poll.jpg (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/exit_poll.gif)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 08:01 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The evidence is clear. In states with paper ballots and audit trails, the exit polls did indeed predict the results. In states using electronic voting machines, the results from the voting machines were skewed towards Bush.

In one precinct, Bush�s tally was supersized by a computer glitch (http://www.dispatch.com/election/election-president.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/05/20041105-A6-01.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:48 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A computer error involving one voting-machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.
"It was a glitch. Really. Just a glitch. That's all it was. Honest. Really. A glitch. Honest."

The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy (http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110604Z.shtml)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:46 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Vote Fraud in Ohio? (http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000712.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:12 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Now that the data is beginning to trickle in from the November 2nd election, many across the nation are raising an eyebrow to results that do not seem to mesh with reality.

Did Kerry Concede Too Soon? (http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/981)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:07 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Why did a voting machine in Republican Gahanna, Ohio report 4,258 votes for George W. Bush when only 638 people cast votes at the New Life Church polling site?

Maryland e-voting controversy continues in presidential race (http://www.wtonline.com/news/1_1/daily_news/24878-1.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 07:05 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
A voter advocacy group monitoring the use of electronic voting machines in Maryland reports a number of software glitches occurred during yesterday�s presidential election, but state election officials said the allegations were baseless.
The burden of proof is on the government that claims authority from an election to prove the election was honest and fair. Absent such proof, We The People are not obligated to obey that government's dictates or to pay their bills, let alone to die in their wars.

Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong? (http://www.alternet.org/election04/20416/)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:55 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The hot story in the blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all � it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

HOW A PRIVATE COMPANY COUNTS OUR VOTES ON ELECTION NIGHT (http://www.votefraud.org/how_a_private_company_counts_our_votes.htm)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:53 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

They are stealing Minnesota (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1165)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:50 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Glitches Mar San Francisco Balloting (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/national/05sanfran.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:45 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

AN ELECTION MOST FOUL (http://takethemattheirwords.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_takethemattheirwords_archive.html#10995 8908753400114)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:40 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
While televised chatterers debate whether Kerry carried enough angels on his lapel pin, serious questions about the integrity of the 2004 presidential election are, for the moment at least, being ignored.

The stolen election of 2004: welcome back to hell (http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/110504Chin/110504chin.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:34 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Using a variety of criminal methods that they have perfected over the past four years, the George W. Bush-Dick Cheney-Karl Rove syndicate stole another election, and extended their illegal occupation of the White House. Experienced, informed and unblinking observers were not fooled by any aspect of this utterly predictable goose-step towards full dictatorship.

Too many voting �irregularities� to be coincidence (http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:31 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Right now there is no hard proof, but the circumstantial evidence is a mile high. Looking at all of these �irregularities� it�s hard to imagine how one could conclude that this election was clean.
On the contrary, I consider the clear bias towards Bush in those states using electronic voting to be sufficient proof to discredit the election.

Important Notice to Readers of the SenderBerl Website (http://www.senderberl.com/)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:29 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
SenderBerl is going to give you an important and grave responsibility. We are going to beg you to contact every Senator, Congressmen (in the hope that some honest ones remain), every newspaper, every Internet site, and anyone else you deem relevant to tell them how to prove the election fraud.

WRH: A STOLEN NATION (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stolennation.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:09 AM PST
Category: CURRENT EVENTS
It's only three days since the election and already evidence of vote fraud is coming in faster than anyone can keep track of.

America is screwed: Election stolen again (http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/11/813413.shtml)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:04 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
"Diebold: We GAURENTEE the results!"

election analysis, numbers suggest vote fraud (http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~asatanov/fraud/)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 06:00 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

More election theft stories (http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=980)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:46 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

KERRY WON- EXIT POLLS WERE RIGHT- AND NOW DEMOCRACY IS EXITING OUR COUNTRY (http://www.opednews.com/palast_110504_Kerry_won.htm)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:32 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Democrats want election machine firm thrown out (http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/news/stories/20030827/localnews/140871.html)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:30 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
I'm a Republican, and I want those machines out, too. And I am making a point of saying this because this story is yet again a very clever piece of propaganda to sell the idea that only the Democrats are claiming there was vote fraud.

4 accused of voting two times in Palm Beach County: South Florida Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pvote05nov05,0,3027746.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines)
Posted Nov 5, 2004 05:19 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
The mainstream media are clearly worried about the vote fraud issue. While this appears to be a story that opposes vote fraud, in reality this is another clever propaganda piece in that it implies the scale of vote fraud was relatively minor, only 4 votes after all! Too many people have complained for the mainstream media to go on pretending there was not a problem, so expect a barrage of stories dismissing the problems as "accidents" and insisting that the total amount of vote fraud could in no way have changed the outcome of the election. But with no audit trails on the electronic voting machines, how can they know, let alone prove that assumption?

N.C. Computer Loses More Than 4,500 Votes (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems)

Grand Theft Election (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD411A.html)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:47 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Sour Grapes, Or Electoral Fraud? (http://progressivetrail.org/articles/041103Whitney.shtml)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:35 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
If you believe that George Bush won last nights election "fair and square" then forget about reading this article. If you know however that tens of thousands of people who lined up for up to four hours at a time in Ohio and Florida to have their vote counted, were not standing there to endorse the aggression and suicidal policies of the current administration then read on.

Election Was Rigged and Stolen Where is the Outrage? When Will the Biggest Demonstrations in US History Happen? (http://www.opednews.com/kall_110404_outrage.htm)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:24 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

VOTERGATE - THE WEBSITE (http://www.votergate.tv/)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:19 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
This is the official web site foir the documentary film "Votergate". This is a documentary you need to watch. It is every bit as important as "Fahrenheit 9-11".

FRAUD!! in Ghanna Ohio. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1293)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:19 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
More "irregularities" surface. More votes were cast than there were registered voters.

Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm)
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:13 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
Within parts of the U.S. progressive community there is already widespread concern that electronic voting fraud may provide an explanation for the astonishing 8 million vote gain made by George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential U.S. election.

CITIZENS FOR LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT (www.legitgov.org (http://www.legitgov.org/pressrelease_stolen_election_2004_110404.html)) Launches Investigation Into Discrepancies of 2004 'Election'
Posted Nov 4, 2004 06:07 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

Source (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html)

Schmed

11-06-2004, 10:58 AM

Thank you Nursey.

Nursey

11-06-2004, 11:02 AM

My pleasure, Schmed.

sickem

11-06-2004, 11:07 AM

Out of curiosity, what would be my selective reading at the implied worst?

You bet your ass you feel anger - a lot of it. It comes thru quite clearly in just about every post in this thread. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't bullshit us by trying to play it off with a condescending sneer.

Schmed

11-06-2004, 11:14 AM

I ran out of anger a few days ago, now I'm just exhausted and disheartend. And if you are going to quote me , do it right and not bit's and pieces put together to make me sound how you want to. A little trick you learned from the fox network I'm sure..and that is part of what I mean by "selective reading". I have to go now and enjoy the weather here, it's not productive talking to a brick wall after all :) . Though I am curious on your thoughts about how most of the planet percieves this situation...be back later to talk some more..over and out.

sickem

11-06-2004, 12:10 PM

In quoting you, I just cut the extraneous for brevity. I don't think I changed the context, tone or meaning in doing so.

I don't watch Fox News, believe it or not. And I've voted both sides of the fence.

I don't know this Nursey poster, nor why she thinks I'm some other person (my avatar...emetic... yeah, I see that connection, but...), and especially not how she can arrive at "corporate asslicking" from what I've said here. I started off generally addressing strategy and style more than ideology and persons (can't help some references to the latter). Rather intriguing bunch of links she dropped (and MY post was long??). Will check some out when I get around to extended leisure reading . Am aware that concerns and issues over e-voting have existed for some time prior to the election. If it turns out there's anything to it, there'll definitely be some shit.

As for what 90% of the rest of the world thinks, and possibilities for further civilized discussion, etc - the cards are already dealt. Until and unless a misdeal is called, all bets are still on & there really only remains to see how they play out from here.

Nursey

11-06-2004, 12:24 PM

"I don't know this Nursey poster, nor why she thinks I'm some other person (my avatar...emetic... yeah, I see that connection, but...)" [/]

Well, that would be telling! And 'she'? I'm a guy.

[i]"and especially not how she can arrive at "corporate asslicking" from what I've said here."

Well, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i skimmed, the jist of your post is pretty much that the obscenely rich, with their disproportionately miniscule tax contributions are supporting your country...not draining it. And that the poorest people are all happy to live like that...
So who is it that goes to the frontlines to die for Halliburton again, and why?

ratatouille

11-06-2004, 12:43 PM

i am well aware of the voting "glitches" i live in FL and have been voting here for 5 years. other than being educated about it, what can i actually do about it? riot? write letters to my congressmen who won due to the voting glitches? i mean what the fuck? like i said somewhere else- i could be living a much worse lifestyle somewhere else. unless i were to devote all my time to politics i cant accomplish a fucking thing. and for the most part, i like it here. how this mess actually impacts my day to day living is not very big. so far....

Nursey

11-06-2004, 12:59 PM

American Sunset (http://www.warfolly.vzz.net/americansunset.html)

Nursey

11-06-2004, 01:10 PM

General Schm...errr...Smedley Butler: WAR IS A RACKET (http://www.veteransforpeace.org/war_is_a_racket_033103.htm)

Dr.Roboto

11-06-2004, 01:20 PM

ok get this shit, considering the situation we are in i would rather have some one with war experience then some rich dick who fucked around in the faturnity that does the most parteing in a school a select few could ever afford to go to. im not dem or repub i choose whom i think would be best and i lost my confidence in this fuck nut who cant ride a gyroscopicaly balanced scooter. much less a bike. what gives me confindence that he can run a country much less whipe his ass with out the assistance of hoards of aids? last time i checked those who own their own buisiness can claim practiacally what ever they want as tax write off. how do i know? cause my pops works for one like that, wrote off his porche as a company expence. its obviously not a company car, how many client can you pick up with a 2 seater? as for tax break the rich have it alot easier than they used to and i doubt that they pay 35% of the taxes while the companies they run pay only 18%, and the lower 50% pay 5%, sounds about as right as the vote numbers in Ohio. companies are busy paying minimum wage to low income families in slum, with a family of 4 ( 2 kids 2 adults) both making an income they would need atleast an income of about 60k to pay for housing and the needs such as food transportion health care ect, and thats just making it. at an average of 2040 total hours a year with one week off at say 7 dollars an hour a person will make a gross income of $14280. so how many of those jobs do you need to just make it? then my reason of askin about the over time rules was to see where the adjustments were. then some place wont even offer 40 hours a week just cause they dont wanna pay benifits. leading into health care, who can honestly not complain about the prices of medication. we pay the most for fuckin pills. my grandmother pays a shit load for fuckin pills, over a $100 for a set of 30 pills. and thats just one medication, she has about 4 just like that then a couple less than $100. with an income from SS of 1000 a month thats pretty steep. it seem that those companies that the upper class are running sure do like the cut them legs from fuckin under you.
considering the quandery we are in its relevent to have some one to have war experience, especial in a place where we are not wanted nore really needed. as for the dole shit, i wanst old enough to vote or care.
bush alowed the companies to outsource.
i know what i wished for and it would be selective in its self, many of these rich bastards have never worn anything less than armani. ive been poor i know what its like. these fucks have never tasted such shit. busy blowing cash like it was candy on halloween.
poverty is about money cause if it wasnt no one would complain about getting minimum wage and no health coverage. it isnt about what kind of car or what if you have cable its covering expences. being poor is having a 1/3 or more of you income go just to housing. almost every wage is non adjusting so as the economy has its ups and downs so does a persons ability to afford basics. they dont have much disposable income at all to spend they scavange to save what they can. there is no solution to poverty other than unloading shit load of cash. but even that is a dumb idea.

Robman97

11-06-2004, 01:34 PM

Dr.Roboto

11-06-2004, 02:32 PM

Hey Doc, did you vote for Clinton? Well, if I remember correctly the draft dodger fell down some stairs at a friends house. I find that more pathetic than a guy falling off a scooter, that with a dead battery will fall over.

even more so that falling off a bike? oh wait they prolly took off the training wheels for a photo op to no avail. plus i wasnt old enough to vote for clinton. bush and his staff blame the failing economy on clinton saying its his fualt and blah, but bush had the oportunity to change that but he didnt. its not like he help texas at all, we had property taxes out the ass, vehical registration taxes much higher than most, not to mention property insurance.

Nursey

11-06-2004, 03:18 PM

The US has been pretty self-suficient historically, and has rarely had to go to war to get what it needs so all of a sudden people are up in arms about the war for oil. Frankly, I say kill 'em all. If we got the $$, and we got the bombs, then let's get the oil too.
That statement doesn't reflect too well on your moral integrity, Rat. Who in their right mind would trust you now!?

The point we keep missing (http://www.warfolly.vzz.net/thepoint.html)
Let me ask you this. We went to war in Iraq to get rid of Saddam. Saddam is long gone. Why are we still killing people? Why are we still sacrificing our own soldiers? And why are we planning more wars?

You know the answer. It�s in the deepest, darkest part of your heart. We didn�t go to war against Iraq to overthrow a tyrant. We invaded Iraq because we wanted to steal a country�s precious resources, because we, in the blatant hubris of our soulless blindness, believe we can steal for any reason.

This is how Americans come to support mass murder of innocents for reasons that are lies. This has been going on full bore since at least the late 1890s, when American obliterated a million Filipinos to keep them safe from the Spanish. All this of course is not counting the 60 million Native Americans we exterminated throughout the 19th century, because they were savages, less than human.

And this is of course the paradigm that civilization has followed ever since, the British in India, the French in Indochina, the Belgians and the Portuguese in Africa, and all of the above and more throughout the bloody conquest of the Western Hemisphere.

Some literature asserts that even Hitler was impressed with the extermination policies of the white Europeans as they raped and pillaged their way across an undeveloped continent. Of course the more germane comparison these days is the way the Israelis have cut down the hapless Palestinians over the last half century, using their �holy� books to declare anyone in their voracious path to be less than human, and therefore eligible to be murdered without a second thought.

But Americans need to realize � and admit � that Israelis learned this heartless attitude from us. I even heard the esteemed Jewish theologian Michael Lerner � darling of the Zionist gatekeeper liberals � use this argument: how can Americans complain what the Israelis are doing to the indigenous inhabitants of their accursed chunk of Middle Eastern sand when the Americans set the example for the world to follow by exterminating the entire indigenous population of North America, and have behaved the same way throughout the rest of the world ever since? He has a point.

And this is the great and terrible secret all Americans hide within themselves, and palliate their guilt with such lame rationalizations as manifest destiny or �we need that oil.�

Fact is, none of those Palestinians, nor any of those Iraqis, would have died without the tacit approval of Americans. It wouldn�t have happened.

Sure, you can sit back and pontificate that those Islamic �savages� would have killed each other anyway, but you can�t prove that, and you can prove that it has been American manipulation, first and foremost, that has allowed that vicious bunch of Israelis to go into that region and become a raging terminal cancer. I supposed it�s only poetic justice that now Israel, with its pervasive political control of the U.S. political system, can manipulate events to the point where it can get America to come into the same region and do its dirty work, as is happening now in Iraq.

Iraq is not now nor ever has been a threat to the physical security of the United States. But Americans lie to themselves � we all know about THOSE lies � and arbitrarily declare that Iraq can bomb us with imaginary drones in 45 minutes, so we better bomb them first.

Same with Palestine. Palestinians were never a threat to anyone. But like Iraqis, they had something we wanted. And it is the great and terrible secret of every American that we will permit � and even cheer � the mass murder of innocents simply because we want to rob them of what is rightfully theirs.

Ask your preacher about that. I�m sure he�ll produce a suitable Biblical quote that approves of the murder of anybody who has something you want.

But we can�t blame this on a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, nor on the Jesuits, the elusive Illuminati, nor even the London-based global banking aristocracy. This is about the American people, and their continuing willingness to look the other way while those who are all too willing to prey on the innocent kill people for profit and pass the price savings on to the blind cowards who sputter half-baked maxims about terror and security while they sit in their easy chairs in their stiflingly boring and braindead American suburbs.

And contemplate the horrid fact that both presidential candidates endorse this indefensible policy of war based on lies, guaranteeing exactly the kind of future so chillingly outlined in Schwarzenegger�s �Terminator� movies.

We no longer need an excuse to kill anyone with impunity. Of course, in our materialistic American coma we have apparently become too dumbed down to realize that what happens �out there� will soon happen �in here,� but by the time that the neocon self-immolation of America finally dawns on us, it will be way too late to do anything about it. Perhaps it already is.

sickem

11-06-2004, 03:26 PM

And 'she'? I'm a guy.
Well, pardon my assumption based on your nick.

Well, correct me if i'm wrong...the jist of your post is pretty much that the obscenely rich, with their disproportionately miniscule tax contributions are supporting your country...not draining it. And that the poorest people are all happy to live like that...

The gist of my post on that subject by way of example was, as I said before, criticism of the style and strategy on the part of the Dems' campaign rhetoric in general as evidenced by that topic specifically.

How do you describe the 35% - over one-third - of the total individual (not corporate) taxes collected from only 1% of the population as 'miniscule'?

If you're headed in the general direction of "the rich don't deserve what they've got" by way of "they still have so much more left over even after taxes than John & Jane Salesclerk", I don't care to argue that philosophical point any more than how many angels populate a given pinhead. If you believe that the rich - "obsenely" or otherwise - still owe more than they're already paying, that begs the question: how much more? How much is enough? Just how high can you jack the top brackets before diminishing returns kicks in? When the rates paid by the country's top earners are so high that it they move out & become tax exiles - as the Rolling Stones did in the early 70s in response to England's 90% rate?

I'm not defending the current progressive U.S. tax code. Neither am I a Flat-Tax booster a la Steve Forbes. The sources I've read on that option convince me that you and I (assuming we're somewhere in the middle-income range) wouldn't breeze by with a simple, low 15% or 17% rate as promised. Without drastically cutting the budget and expenditures, our effective rate would end up a lot higher than that - likely even more than we pay now.

I described the way individual tax collections break down right now in mathematical fact, contrasted to the common assumption or imagination.

That's as clear as I can make it.

Schmed

11-06-2004, 03:31 PM

I think the point a lot of people are missing is the difference between right and wrong. Fuck money, I mean that part of the whole thing is fusterating and It sickens me to see people do all the things they do to stay rich or get richer, but that isn't the point really. War is wrong period. People are being killed, real people. And I am sick to death of fucking Americans talking the way a lot of them do about war.."Fucking towelheads kill them all" etc etc.Well over 10,000 innocent people in Iraq alone have been killed due to Daisy Cutters (the most powerful non-nuclear bombs at the US's disposal) after 9/11. And guess what, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. Killing people is wrong and that just dosn't seem to sink in with people. It's this self centered "we are better than you" crap that Americans constantly spew forth that just makes me want to vomit (and not in the way I vomit when Nursey talks to me). Get it thru your thick skulls, what USA is doing is not just shitty it is plain evil. Get your fucking moral compasses realigned. People are dying, for nothing, people with children, fuck children are dying. It's really simple, good people don't do what the US is doing....

Schmed

11-06-2004, 03:37 PM

And let me add that it is nice to have some intelligent (if not a bit heated) conversation going on in here and I would like to thank overyone for the input. It's nice to hear different sides of the story and I do try to wrap my head around all of it and to take in others opinions. It's just hard to see some peoples point of view sometimes.

Dr.Roboto

11-06-2004, 04:15 PM

eather way it goes we cant just justify a war cause we think they have WMDs, it wasnt even proven and we still went. not to mention the other country that we know has WMDs and know the ppl are suffering far more than Iraq. NKorea it in the shit hole big time. if we should have went to war for anything it should have been to them. i get tired of hearing the same shit schmed said "fuck them towlheads" well them towlheads say the same thing, cept you dont see them walkin up and down your street with M4s and M16s patrolling your niehgbor hood for possible out breaks and incarnations of "terrorism". i remember reading about a tank driver who ran over some guys taxi cause he was stilling shit from a palace. consiquently it was his only job and way of income. you cant just have us running about in a land that we have no need or want to be in dishing out indisriminent justice against any and every one. the clostest things that have found to WMDs in Iraq was a bunch of old MiG-25s that couldnt run if you wanted it too.

sickem

11-06-2004, 04:36 PM

i would rather have some one with war experience then some rich dick who fucked around in the faturnity that does the most parteing in a school a select few could ever afford to go to....its relevent to have some one to have war experience
Kerry's not a rich dick, too? Yale is neither cheap nor non-exclusive. Besides their Beacon Hill crib, he and Tuh-raaay-za also have a pretty impressive collection of properties around the country and world. If I recall correctly, their value exceeds that of the Bush's holdings. Whether it's really her money or his money, it's effectively their money.

I understand what your preference is regarding war experience - you've stated it several times now. Just haven't explained the reasoning behind it. Never mind.

those who own their own buisiness can claim practiacally what ever they want as tax write off... my pops works for one like that, wrote off his porche as a company expence.
This individual anecdote doesn't change the math.

i doubt that they pay 35% of the taxes while the companies they run pay only 18%, and the lower 50% pay 5%, sounds about as right as the vote numbers in Ohio.

Don't know where you got the "companies...18%" thing from - not anything I said. As for the rest, here's my source: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/timesdispatch/347999891.html?did=347999891&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=
Jun+13%2C+2003&author=A.+Barton+Hinkle&desc=KEY+POINTS+ARE+LOST+IN+RIGHTEOUS+INDIGNATION
I no longer possess the hardcopy of the entire editorial, only excerpts in a research project I did. If you still doubt, it'll only cost you $2.50 to obtain the full article - a small price to pay to call bullshit on me, don't you think?

ive been poor i know what its like....being poor is having a 1/3 or more of you income go just to housing.
I spend about 40% of my current income on housing. I'm not poor. I've been broke, but that's not the same thing.

there is no solution to poverty other than unloading shit load of cash. but even that is a dumb idea.
Totally agree with you there.

Dr.Roboto

11-06-2004, 04:58 PM

kerry is richer now that he has married the ketchup bitch, and to many houses are redicuouls. i have two one in houston and one in mexico, and that one we had to build and repair our selves.

tax write off for company expence = paying less taxes

as for the company shit, i got it off Nova on PBS. companies have the ability to export their profits over seas to the Caimin island or such with a low income tax there for paying less US income taxes. the average blue collar or even the average white collar work doesnt have the ability to do that.

and 40% is still too high, its seems retarded to pay most of your income for rent.

and for the war thing, id rather have some one who has seen battle, war the carnage of the aftermath behind buttons of the US cause he is seasoned in and will be more hesitant to send troops understanding what will happen as he has seen and experinced what war is like.

pimpchichi

11-06-2004, 05:30 PM

Schmed

11-06-2004, 05:39 PM

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small
Never thought about the problems of this planet at all
Global warming, radio-active sites
Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?
Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?
Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea
Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions
Your dilemmas are my distractions

That's no way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco, Franco Un-American

I never looked around, never second-guessed
Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed
And now I can't sleep from years of apathy
All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation
I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization
I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth
I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints 'cause their from de-hoofed horses
Now I can't believe; what an absolute failure
The president's laughing 'cause we voted for Nader

That's no way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
Where can we go, Franco Un-American

I want to move north and be a Canadian
Or hang down low with the nice Australians
I don't want to be another 'I-don't-care-ican'
What are we gonna do Franco, Franco Un-American

Schmed

11-06-2004, 05:46 PM

[quote="PimpDaddythat was beautiful schmed[/quote]

It's fucking sad I even have to write that... so fucking sad...

Dwaine Scum

11-07-2004, 12:29 AM

you sounded so clever when you said that

I know, Im not funny... sorry

Dwaine Scum

11-07-2004, 12:37 AM

Nursey thank you for, that info, it was quite eye opening. as usuall, you kicked my ass back into line... Now come say hello sometime
'

Nursey

11-07-2004, 02:34 PM

Nursey

11-07-2004, 07:14 PM

Well, pardon my assumption based on your nick.
No problem, if you met me in person (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dstrictnursey/nur.jpg) you'd part your ass down to the base of my dick.

How do you describe the 35% - over one-third - of the total individual (not corporate) taxes collected from only 1% of the population as 'miniscule'?

Well when you consider that the 1% in question accounts for at least 95% of the nations wealth, it doesn't seem nearly enough.
And i'm not against people being well off, but i am against the huge amount of unfair concessions being made for the rich, creating a an ever increasing wealth divide.
Why the rich should pay more taxes (http://www.zompist.com/richtax.htm)
The Rich are not you and I. Tax The Rich. (http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/03/02/ca/alm/vote/harrison_n/paper2.html)

Dr.Roboto

11-07-2004, 07:37 PM

yea companies like the air lines get big bail out while the poor who really need it get nothing a boot to the ass and told "meh survival of the fittest"

Dwaine Scum

11-08-2004, 12:56 AM

Now come say hello sometime
'
Sorry...i've been a total recluse lately...online and off. I'll emerge sometime soon and confound you with the mystical works i've been smearing on my walls with the passing of every butt-log.

Aww, well, i still miss you!!! plus you wewre the only person to call me and use a cali-accent ...

No seriously, I miss the hell out of you, Ms. Recluse...

Now Get Tori to type wjhat you say and visit damn you !!!!

Dr.Roboto

11-08-2004, 11:02 PM

http://www.fugly.com/forums/images/upload/whowon2.jpg

http://www.fugly.com/forums/images/upload/whowon.jpg

yes i know its huge just like my .... feet

Nursey

11-09-2004, 06:54 AM

Aww, well, i still miss you!!! plus you wewre the only person to call me and use a cali-accent ...

No seriously, I miss the hell out of you, Ms. Recluse...

Now Get Tori to type wjhat you say and visit damn you !!!!
Thankyou Mr. Dwaine Scum...from Tori* and me. :oops:

*Speaking of Tori, i think at this point i should mention that she has gone through quite a bit of major upheaval lately. You may recall the last i mentioned of her was when i was struggling to cope with the all-ammonic, vapourous, couch-human *hybrid* of a woman (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/martin_stlucie/epaper/2004/08/18/s1a_mcbody_0818.html) she had blossomed into due to an increasing lack of harassment from me. This was all well and good until her burgeoning pussy also started to bond with the surrounding fabric in voracious fashion, despite all efforts to halt this process by me.
Unfortunately, when the constant heroic battle to prevent Tori's lower mucous membranes from fully grafting with the couch was eventually lost, so too was my main source of income - the steady stream of punters eager for a quick lay on my settee. As bills started to pile up, and Tori looked like she was now starting to incorporate my five thousand pound persian carpet into her being, i decided enough was enough and called in the local council to come and clean up the mess. Apparently, it is illegal to fuse with an inamite object, and the authorities immediately confiscated Tori and proceeded to brutally sever her from her beloved 'upholstori'. Unbeknownst to them, Tori had, over the past year, been gradually 'dripping' through the gaps at the back and mushrooming out in the rectagonal space underneath, and once seperated was incapable of containing herself, quite literally.
There she was, blood rapidly draining from those rosy large cheeks, her lips forming 'Nursey! Help me!' to the sound of a gurgley wheeze...gazing at me imploringly from atop of a sprawling, quivering mound of writhing intestinal mass and slimey 'sweet meats'. At that moment, i had to struggle to resist the urge to beat the thing out of it's misery with a spade, and instead swung into action to rescue dear Tori, and in my quick thinking... called up BT! (http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/soul_catcher_computer.htm)
They arrange for Tori to be decapitated, frozen and sent to their American contacts for state of the art treatment. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041022104658.htm).
And here is what they returned, magnified by 10000 x . Say hello to Tori, everybody...
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Genetic/3_Genetic.pics/030221.soul.chip.implanted.jpg
She can now fly small 'unmanned' planes, interacts with an F-22 fighter jet flight simulator and plays a variety of computer games ('Command and Conquer' is her current favourite). Quite an improvement, i think you'll agree!? Soon she will be encouraged to attempt grander deeds, such as control a small robotic device whose purpose will be to carry out a variety of household tasks for me. Her new form may seem pitiful to us, but her neural fronds are branching quite nicely, and she has assured me that she is happier than any other time in her life, incredible as it may seem!

Nauseous

11-09-2004, 05:05 PM

The election and reality television... SCRIPTED

The shit was decided way before the first vote was cast.

... and Schmed had the nerve to call me a bleeding heart. :roll:

Schmed

11-09-2004, 05:56 PM

I believe it was something like your heart bleeds for all the wrong people.

Schmed

11-09-2004, 06:11 PM

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm

Schmed

11-09-2004, 08:45 PM

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Interesting read if you have minute.

canine_STD

11-09-2004, 10:36 PM

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Interesting read if you have minute.
What a load of crap... typical doomsday/dystopia Hollywood narrative, to cause panic and lead people to buy his book. A book which he hasn't studied for (he's a lawyer, he didn't study business or markets at college). I may just print that out so I can wipe my ass with it.

whipone

11-09-2004, 11:06 PM

This holiday season's hot gift item: A barrel of oil and a shotgun.

Schmed

11-10-2004, 04:55 AM

Nursey

11-10-2004, 05:20 AM

what a load of crap... typical doomsday/dystopia Hollywood narrative,
I don't agree, and if you do a search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peak+oil) you'll the subject has been covered by numerous writers. It's people who can't believe that things could change very drastically (overnight in some cases...look what happened to German inflation in the 30's) who are least able to cope psychologically when such changes take place. And things are changing...very drastically indeed. Forget the stability we'd come to imagine would always be around, we're plummeting 'into the abyss' if you ask me...

canine_STD

11-10-2004, 09:54 AM

Dear Reader,

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon.
Well if that opening line isn't crap, why haven't either of you slashed your wrists yet? THE END IS NIGH PEOPLE! I don't know/care if America can't get enough oil, but reading prophecies of some crack-pot who claims WWIII has started and we're all going to die because oil is sparse isn't on my schedule. So how is civilization going to end? Will the rule of law end and we return to a feudal system, live in caves and eat babies? No, it will change, but it does that subtly constantly anyway. I'll repeat it again - what a load of crap.

Nice to see you approach things with an open mind. America needs more budding young geniuses such as yourself.
Well it's a shame I'm not American then isn't it, but the one thing America certainly doesn't need any more of is "open minded" conspiracy theorists.

Nursey

11-10-2004, 10:41 AM

Actually, the 'conspiracy theory' is that peak oil is a myth, and they (and you) might well be right...
If the opening paragraph of this report started by claiming that completely unlimited crude oil reserves exist inside planet earth, readers might be tempted to regard the entire text as preposterous ghostwriting for a novelist like Frederick Forsyth. If the report then went on to claim that the Russians have exploited this stunning reality for nearly thirty years, right under the largely unwitting noses of western intelligence, readers could be excused for mistaking the author for a lunatic, or perhaps as a front for spy novelist John le Carr�. The problem here is that unlimited oil reserves do exist inside planet earth, and the Russians long ago developed the advanced technology necessary to recover these unlimited oil reserves in an efficient and timely manner.
Profoundly disturbing hard intelligence like this does not sit well with the frantic cries of western academic shills and lobbyists, determined to convince you all that the end of the oil world is nigh, or, more accurately, that America faces an imminent catastrophe when global production capacity "Peaks", i.e. when world demand for crude oil finally exceeds the rate at which we can physically pump the required product out of the ground. The gist of these false claims are outlined in a speech given at the at the University of Clausthal, by lobbyist Doctor Colin Campbell during December 2000:
"In summary, these are the main points that we have to grasp: Conventional [Free flowing] oil provides most of the oil produced today, and is responsible for about 95% of all oil that has been produced so far. It will continue to dominate supply for a long time to come. It is what matters most. Its discovery peaked in the 1960s. We now find one barrel for every four we consume. Middle East share of production is set to rise. The rest of the world peaked in 1997, and is therefore in terminal decline. World peak comes within about five years" [circa 12/2005]
Campbell is just the tip of a giant iceberg of academic Peak Oil 'experts' who suddenly appeared en-masse to give you this frightening news, right after President Saddam Hussein suddenly started trading his oil in Euros rather than in US Dollars, a devastating switch with the easy capacity to destroy the US Dollar in less than five years if it was left unchallenged and unchecked.
I still wouldn't dismiss it straight out of hand like you. I'm sure if you'd actually done some investigating and saw how many authority figures were promoting this view you'd soon be singing the same tune...

Nursey

11-10-2004, 11:00 AM

Here's a link to the page i pasted the excerpt above from:
Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Zionist Scam (http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html)

And here to win over any authority worshippers is a BP scientists view:
Oil supply to peak sooner than we think, says BP scientist
(http://www.thebusinessonline.com/modules/news/view.php?id=29138)

I think we may be swapping positions on this canine!

pimpchichi

11-10-2004, 01:18 PM

well i guess you'd have to ask some questions..like: what is oil?.. how did it get there?.... and if it is true what i've been led to believe... that it is organic matter from aeons ago that has decomposed and been formed by the pressure of having the rest of the world form over it for millennia... (kindof like peat bogs.. but inside the earths crust).... then it's pretty logical to say it's a finite resource.. and saying the commies have an infinite supply.... hmmm.. :? ...

anyway everybody should know that the jewgod put it there to cause armageddon :roll:

pimpchichi

11-10-2004, 01:41 PM

though that is a very interestibg link nursey.... thank you old chap

Schmed

11-10-2004, 04:16 PM

Schmed

11-10-2004, 04:17 PM

canine_STD

11-10-2004, 10:57 PM

What's moronic about what I said? I said I don't know or care about oil amounts but I don't believe that will cause the end of human life as we know it. The author of that link you posted claims his dreams of owning a house, marriage and parenthood are all under question because there might not be enough oil. Kids don't eat or wear oil, I've never attracted a female with a barrel of oil, he's talking shite! The US economy may depend on oil but civilization doesn't, we wont go back to swinging through trees and grunting at each other if oil runs low.

Dr.Roboto

11-11-2004, 06:21 AM

on the contrary, many sythetic fibers and plastics are petrol or oil based. used to make many items including clothes

Nursey

11-11-2004, 08:18 AM

...and when the price of oil goes up so does the price of everything else...it all has to be transported.

Dr.Roboto

11-11-2004, 06:55 PM

i remeber a couple years ago when milk was just $1.29 still much, but now its almost $4 a gallon

canine_STD

11-11-2004, 10:38 PM

Dr.Roboto

11-12-2004, 12:27 AM

on the contrary, many sythetic fibers and plastics are petrol or oil based. used to make many items including clothes
And that therefore dictates that we will lose the need for companionship, the will to procreate and raise children, communicate with others and organise society? You're a fucking genius! And if the price of oil goes up Nursey, people will find ways of doing without it.

i was talking about the "children dont wear oil" statement. in essence they do if a such clothing item, say a pair of starter pants has a sythetic fiber mostlikly it is made of oil or a petrolchemical.

Natural gas can be converted into other products such as motor oil. Oil and Natural Gas can be used for things such as tires, plastics, electrical wires, carpets, paint, paper, clothing, cosmetics, insulation, animal food, hoses, shoes, coating, antifreeze, medicine, weed killers, fertilisers, candles, lunch bags, adhesives, brake fluid, propane, asphalt, diesel fuel, butane, kerosene, explosives, jet fuels, styrofoam cups, plastic containers, bicycle grease and other appliances

the uses of oil are far reaching. start fuckin reading, although the depletion of oil will not be the end of fuckin civilization, it will limit the amount the amount and types of materials to be manufactured. to explain the use of oil lets set up a situation. say you have eggs in your fridge, they come in styrofoam or plastic containers, that are transported on a cooled trailer whos AC, wires, refiridgerant, the insulation, tape closing the boxes or ciran wrapping the pallet of eggs, the plastic air bags incerted in the trailers to secure the load from movement, the tape or cd the redneck is playing the cab including the cab internals, are made or oil or oil based chemicals. thats just some of the shit i can list, and it could go on and on. but im now bored so ill leave it at that.

canine_STD

11-12-2004, 09:20 AM

i was talking about the "children dont wear oil" statement.
Yeah sorry, I mistook you for schmed

Schmed

11-12-2004, 03:29 PM

You get confused quite easily. :roll:

canine_STD

11-13-2004, 08:11 AM

Maybe I do, it's better than being taken for a mug and believing any old crap too easily.

Schmed

11-13-2004, 08:22 AM

I agree.

Schmed

11-13-2004, 08:34 AM

You know, the sad part is this, (and look back if you don't believe me) I never ever once said I agreed with that article, I said it was an interesting read, which it was, and then you tried to jump all over my shit. The point here is that the article did bring up some interesting points, but you dismissed anything it had to offer. I get the feeling you just don't care about hearing anything that you don't agree with....and therefore I labled you (and very correctly if my assumption is right) close minded.

Fugly

11-13-2004, 12:31 PM

Well lok at one Postive if Bush does win, That fucker John Ashcroft will resign

Dwaine, can you tell me what lottery numbers to play next week? That was a pretty good call.

Schmed

11-16-2004, 03:18 AM

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

Dwaine Scum

11-16-2004, 03:39 AM

Well lok at one Postive if Bush does win, That fucker John Ashcroft will resign

Dwaine, can you tell me what lottery numbers to play next week? That was a pretty good call.

Man I was surprised it was SOOOO quick..

Now the underdog pick, was Colon Powell, I thought that was Bush's token black friend :-/

Dr.Roboto

11-16-2004, 04:04 AM

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

nice, but im from texas. is that bad?

Coma White

11-24-2004, 06:40 PM

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

nice, but im from texas. is that bad?

Yes, bush i from texas, therefore, all people from texas suck.

Dr.Roboto

11-25-2004, 02:40 AM

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

nice, but im from texas. is that bad?

Yes, bush i from texas, therefore, all people from texas suck.

he wasnt even born here. he just wishes he was. not like there is anything good about it but he makes texas seem bad. i would say go to hell but your there already, so hows the weather in france?

baconbob

03-17-2005, 10:31 AM

cheese