"NEW YORK, NEW YORK"

[PinkorBrown69]

Sorry guys...

I'd only heard about it online, when I posted that.

And I've just watched the footage on T.V.

And that shit really isn't funny is it? And the pentagon aswell!

Fucking Arab scum. We should nuke the whole of the Middle East. And rid the world of these sadistic cunts. Did you see them dancing in the streets?

I've got a hollow pit in my stomach images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[GreenAppleSplatters]

It's that fucking Bin Laden asshole. What a fucking piece of shit.

[Nursey]

HAHAHAHAHAHA-SHUT THE FUCK UP SPUNKY YOU ASSLICKING SHITSMEAR :P

[PinkorBrown69]

'ALL MILITARY FORCES ARE ON FULL ALERT'

Go on Tony! You tell'em mate!
Were 'Standing shoulder to shoulder' with you guys. We'll be with you all the way.

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey:
HAHAHAHAHAHA-SHUT THE FUCK UP SPUNKY YOU ASSLICKING SHITSMEAR :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you shut up! You fucking Arab.

Why are you laughing?

[Nursey]

THE BIGGEST NUTTER ON THE PLANET IS PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE-GEORGE DUBBYA...US always needs excuses to justify their *phenomenal* defence budget and its about time to drum up hatred against the middle east again...so shut the fuck up before you start following the predictable trains of thought -and dont laugh-they'd easily go that far if necessary-and their's a big depression looming-good timing!

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
No you shut up! You fucking Arab.

Why are you laughing?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm laughing because of your hysterical brainless response-which is also,in my eyes an attempt to lick fugly's ass-shitsmear!

[pimpchichi]

my two cents...

many, many innocent people died... which is a fucking shame...

but i also think the US military coined the term 'collateral damage' for when innocents get slaughtered by the US military machine...

why is it so different when US citizens die.. aren't they innocent the same as other nations innocents who get killed in a war...

and the arabs

(if it was really them.. remember the finger has just been pointed.. nothings been proved yet.. and i believe islamic dissidents were blamed at first for the oklahoma bombing)

are fighting a war..

and yes pinky.. nursey was right.. you are a suckyslut..

[PinkorBrown69]

Yeah, yeah... I stink.

Fuck you!

Regardles of who's responsible.

If an unknown party bombed Mecca and Jerusalem then all of the West started partying in the streets to celebrate it. We wouldn't be a sadistic, twisted, fucked up race?

I spit on all Muslims.

If that includes you nursey. So be it. images/smiles/icon_sad.gif

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
Yeah, yeah... I stink.

Fuck you!

Regardles of who's responsible.

If an unknown party bombed Mecca and Jerusalem then all of the West started partying in the streets to celebrate it. We wouldn't be a sadistic, twisted, fucked up race?

I spit on all Muslims.

If that includes you nursey. So be it. images/smiles/icon_sad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
just rewording this incase of misinterpretation ...

If you were daily seeing kids being shot dead for throwing stones at a US armed occupying force you'd be fucking dancing in the streets if that force was bombed by an unknown party-stupid cunt-and no-i'm not muslim.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[pimpchichi]

what even old Mr. Patel who runs the corner shop??...

would you walk into the middle of bradford or burnley and spit on a few muslims...

when you do, can you get someone to videotape your beating and send it to fugly..

[PinkorBrown69]

I was in a cornershop with Ali Patel and his two daughter,s Risha and Mali, who are Hindus, when I fisrt saw the footage on their T.V. And they were as sickened by it as I was.

And Ria Muhamed(the sly Piece of shit) on the otherside of the road can go fuck himself if he thinks I'm buying my smokes from him anymore.

Call me narrow minded but they got no respect for us. I got none for them.
It's made my fucking blood boil

And there will be plenty of kids being pulled out of the rubble in New York over the comming weeks.

But I guess that makes it okay though eh Nursey? images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[pimpchichi]

i repeat...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
and the arabs

(if it was really them.. remember the finger has just been pointed.. nothings been proved yet.. and i believe islamic dissidents were blamed at first for the oklahoma bombing)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the oklahoma bombing was initially blamed on old osama bin ladem.... until the trail started to lead to the cia.. so a scapegoat was found...good old timothy....

so what arabs are you going to blame, just the muslims??... or are you including the christian arabs in your hunt...

not all arabs are muslims you know...

yes, you are narrow minded

[Lomotil]

I saw that shit happen live, and as much as I'm shocked, I'm surprised it didn't occur at some earlier point in time. I'm glad it happened with Bush in office, as I don't think Clinton or Gore would be capable of handling such a situation.

If it is, indeed, terrorists (we can probably rule out just about anything else at this point), it's difficult to 'pin' them to a particular country... If it had been an entire nation at fault, it'd be easier to deal with them.

Interesting to point out, the date: 9/11 is also the "911" emergency number... probably not as important as the anniversary of the assassination of a guest in this country during Carter's presidency, I forget the name or country he was from... I need to do a little bit of research on it before I post the full story...

Also noteworthy, Nostradamus said something to the effect of "the 3rd world war would happen when the two tall lances fell in the great city or something to that effect... Here's an exact quote of another of his prophecies: "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654...

After seeing all the propaganda on TV showing Palestinian children running around in the streets, jumping for joy, I can't help but think the US is being rallied up for support for a larger military (at the least), and a possible war.

As pimp pointed out, the US will probably pin the attacks on a scapegoat in order to placate the mindless masses.

This does make for the start of something big, that much I'm convinced.

[pimpchichi]

if i may, i'd like to quote something posted in another forum by an american who obviously doesn't have their opinions swayed by the propaganda machine that warps other fragile little minds....

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Crazypoo:
Personally though, I think all this stuff was deserved. Our country has bombed, pillaged, and violated other nations a countless number of times. This spells trouble all around though. I can't condone killing the innocent in any way, but what the fuck did we expect?

This is going to be very interesting...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
i repeat...

the oklahoma bombing was initially blamed on old osama bin ladem.... until the trail started to lead to the cia.. so a scapegoat was found...good old timothy....

so what arabs are you going to blame, just the muslims??... or are you including the christian arabs in your hunt...

not all arabs are muslims you know...

yes, you are narrow minded<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read my posts properly thicko!
It was seeing the fucking Muslim Arabs dancing in the streets that made me feel this way. I haven't pointed the finger for at anyone for the attacks.
So why don't you give it a rest for a while? Because I'm to wound up to argue with someone a stupid as you.

[pimpchichi]

so i take it you'll be signing up to join the army to go and fight this arab scum then pinky... i await pictures of you in your uniform....

btw.. i've seen some of that footage before today..
funnily enough... it didn't have a time/date on it then either...

[PinkorBrown69]

And no I haven't bought into propaganda.

No I'm not suprised it's happened. Just shocked at the scale of desruction.

Yes I'm worried(excited?) about the future...

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:

And there will be plenty of kids being pulled out of the rubble in New York over the comming weeks.

But I guess that makes it okay though eh Nursey? images/smiles/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't put words into my mouth you brainwashed bigot.

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
No I'm not suprised it's happened. Just shocked at the scale of desruction.

Yes I'm worried(excited?) about the future...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there i agree with you pinky (apart from the excited bit.. but some adrenaline has flowed thru my veins today i must admit)... but you cannot blame the whole of islam for the actions (if it was them.. nobody's claimed responsibility yet) of a few... you go blaming all muslims for the actions of a few and you head down the road of racial hatred and bigotry... and isn't that what has got us into this mess in the first place??....

and if i may quote crazypoo again...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Crazypoo:
I agree, out of everything I have heard today, Bush's statement was what scared me the most. This is not going to be good at all....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey:
Don't put words into my mouth you brainwashed bigot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't. images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

I am not a Bigot.
But no religious, military or democratic beliefs can justify what happened today.

Or are you trying to tell me it was justified?

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Reverend Lomotil:
Also noteworthy, Nostradamus said something to the effect of "the 3rd world war would happen when the two tall lances fell in the great city or something to that effect... Here's an exact quote of another of his prophecies: "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In 1555, Nostradamus wrote:
"Come the millennium , month 12 In the home of greatest power, The village idiot will come forth To be acclaimed the leader.
He shall be known as the Great Pretender; He shall be known as the Executioner.
For, he shall take many innocent lives During his short reign of terror.
His little brother shall steal for His Big Brother, a whole kingdom, in the home of greatest power; While the people sleep.
The Big Brother shall speak, But his words shall have no meaning;
For he shall be but a puppet, With no authority of his own.
He shall be but the Puppet-Master's toy, His time upon the stage, cut short;
And, in his place, shall come One To put right the wrong that shall be done."


take from this what you will...

[Lomotil]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
"..."


take from this what you will...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It means that one of our dates is off, at the very least...

If this is the end of the world, I'd better get to the store and stock up on liquor...

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Reverend Lomotil:
If this is the end of the world, I'd better get to the store and stock up on liquor...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

maybe you'd better use those two giant plastic containers you were gonna use to stock up on gas... i know which one i'd be filling up with images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[pimpchichi]

oh yeah.. and can i also point out..
palestine isn't a country, it's a region.. the reason it's such a hotbed of controversy and turmoil is also because it contains the holy city for 3 major religions..
christianity, islam, and judaism...
just a thought.. bombing it might not be a very good idea..

i'm sure the citizens of the US bible belt would be really happy if you nuked jerusalem

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
I didn't. images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

I am not a Bigot.
But no religious, military or democratic beliefs can justify what happened today.

Or are you trying to tell me it was justified?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i'll quote this again:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Crazypoo(from another forum):
Personally though, I think all this stuff was deserved. Our country has bombed, pillaged, and violated other nations a countless number of times. This spells trouble all around though. I can't condone killing the innocent in any way, but what the fuck did we expect? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was just ridiculing your thick as shit comparison of us cheering if the arabs were bombed with the Palestinians-a shamefully maligned nation- cheering when America-the supplier of arms/nutjobs to israel-responsible for killing their innocents,gets a taste of the medicine they are so quick to dish!
All i know is that the victims of the most powerful nation in the world are naturally happy when they see their oppressors getting a taste of their own medicine (just a molecule of a taste)
You're the one shouting about nuking millions of innocent men women and children here you reactionary bigoted asshole. images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkorBrown69:
Read my posts properly thicko!
*It was seeing the fucking Muslim Arabs dancing in the streets* that made me feel this way. I haven't pointed the finger for at anyone for the attacks.
So why don't you give it a rest for a while? Because I'm to wound up to argue with someone a stupid as you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whilst carefully reading this post of yours,i became intrigued as to how you could tell that those arabs you saw dancing in the street were Muslim Arabs? images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[PinkorBrown69]

FUCKIN HELL...

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: PinkorBrown69 ]

[Dwaine Scum]

dude , leave the humor to Harlan

[Fugly]

Don't be an asshole, Pink. Not yet anyway.

[Lomotil]

Let's say you've got lots of money.

Let's say that there are two groups of people that hate each other.

Let's say you gave 4 billion dollars a year to one of these groups.

Do you think the other group would be pissed?


I don't see why the we (the US) just can't mind our own business and stay out of a religious war that's been going on for thousands of years... I don't think this would have happened today if we weren't involved with Israel. images/smiles/icon_sad.gif

[Stranger]

I just got back from school ('normal' kids today)where I have an 8yo Muslim girl in my class. Her older sister was killed by soldiers before she left to come to Aus. But she wasn't dancing today. In fact she spent the whole day crying cos some little assholes were calling her a murderer and a terrorist. I wonder where they got that idea from?
Whoever did this we don't know. But I do know it was not this little girl, or her parents, or her cousins etc...
It makes me sick that some adults have the mentality of children. It makes me sicker that those adults can infect their children with their narrow-minded twisted perspectives.

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Stranger ]

[Stranger]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
btw.. i've seen some of that footage before today..
funnily enough... it didn't have a time/date on it then either...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am assuming you are talking about the footage of ppl celebrating. Is it true you have seen these clips before? What was it in relation to?

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quoteI don't see why the we (the US) just can't mind our own business and stay out of a religious war that's been going on for thousands of years... I don't think this would have happened today if we weren't involved with Israel.
Not thousands of years-and not a religious war-well,only religious in the sense that the jews have made it so.Palestine is a region under occupation,since 1948 when we(the west),annexed off part of Palestine and gave it to the jews creating the state of Israel (Balfour Declaration).
And whatever happened to innocent til proven guilty?Some democracy.

http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/html/mideast http://www.media.mit.edu/~nitin/mideast/chomsky_lecture.html

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[Nursey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShitForBrains69:

And there will be plenty of kids being pulled out of the rubble in New York over the comming weeks.

But I guess that makes it okay though eh Nursey? images/smiles/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...here's a quote for you:

"As for Madeleine Albright,her comments over the years have captured very clearly the moral level of U.S. actions.In 1996,an interviewer on '60 Minutes' on national television asked her for her reaction to reports from the United Nations that half a million Iraqi children had died from the sanctions.Her answer was,"Well,this is a price that we feel that we are willing to pay."So we - we - are willing to pay the price of dead Iraqi children.We do not care if we carry out mass slaughter ; the deaths could,i think,properly be called a form of genocide." Noam Chomsky (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9901-frontline-iraq.htm)

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[Disorder]

this just makes me fucking sick, people over in the middle east have been fighting and defending thier land for years, and because the US/UK have so many resources, they wouldnt have a chance in hell of stopping us..

Ooh oh dear, the big ol slow US put its guard down for one time and some buildings get wasted. SO! how many fucking buildings do you think the US/UK have bombed of _thiers_ i guess at hundreds, of homes, of schools, of places of worship. the US got what they deserved...

Of course now they are going to retaliate, like a stupid fucked up schitzophrenic bully..

We cant deny that there will be more fighting (that the media _will not_ cover, and do you know why? because it is not _us_, we dont care about _them_ but when its us we rear our ugly heads and prepare to strike)

what does this mean?

and ever ending loop of shit.

1. we hurt them, they want revenge.
2. they hurt us, we want revenge. (goto 1)
etc

and did you know, that the earthquakes and fighting and bombing in other countries is _still_ going on. the media arnt gonna carry on reporting about it for ever, and neither are they for this....

the fighting will continue
the towers (may) be rebuilt
and the media will move on


and so am i, i dont really give a shit anymore...

you can say 'i told you so' when i fucking get drafted

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[Fried Lice]

This is some sick shit.

Did you guys see the footage of the person falling from the building? The camera followed him/her all the way down until they were out of view behind another building.

Someone said something about the law being a parasite that leeches of the worlds hate. I think that the media is the same in the sense, those guys shooting that footage of the person falling.. they probably didn't even feel bad that someone was falling.. they were happy about ratings and shit. (but I don't really know this for sure.. I'm probably just ranting).

I don't think that any of these actions are funny in anyway. But.. to try and put things in a slightly lighter mood.. (and u guys will probably yell at me for this but..), I noticed only one small thing cought on tape that I found slightly funny.
When one of the buildings were exploding or something.. and the camera guy was standing next to a buiding(the building was on the left).. there was a banner of caution tape in the way. All the people were running around it and stuff. So what did I find a little funny? One of the people that were running was a construction worker with a yellow or white hard hat.. and he tried to duck under the caution tape on the left side of the screen.. it was just funny because his hat got stuck on it in the hurry. I know you guys wanna yell at me for that.. but I'm just trying to keep in good spirits.. and trust that things will be okay.. and trying to remain calm about it all. No, I don't like any of what has happened.. and I do think that whoever is responcible should pay. I heard on the radio that the Twin Towers hold 50,000 people on a full day.. and it was a full day. That's a lot of people. I hope that they find more survivors.

Also, I have a question.. I have been following the news cast on this.. because it's only been on EVERY channel.. but I for some reason still a little confused on how many planes there were.. 4 or 5?

Anyway, talk about this again later.

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stranger:

Some adults have the mentality of children. It makes me sicker that those adults can infect their children with their narrow-minded twisted perspectives.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a perfect example of an Islamic Muslim.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
'Let the people rise behind us, And the youth be strong to fight the evil for us'

Usama Bin Laden
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Nursey. I am not a bigot. I hold no religion, and believe that I am the being that controls my destiny.

But I know that as long as there are people holding belief in the fucked up words of men like bin Laden the West and the free world will never have peace.

And do you honestly think that if we severed all ties with the Middle east, that they would suddenly stop hating us?

You would be a damned fool if you do...

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[Disorder]

i...think..there were 4, 2 in new york, one for the pentagon and one that got shot down over penny heading for washington...

thats as far as i know, but then i dont really give a shit

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stranger:
I am assuming you are talking about the footage of ppl celebrating. Is it true you have seen these clips before? What was it in relation to?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it was in relation to an israeli soldier getting beaten to death by one of those groups of people who are fighting soldiers with automatic weapons, armed only with stones and sticks

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
groups of people who are fighting soldiers with automatic weapons, armed only with stones and sticks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the occasional hand-grenades/rockets and suiside/car bombs (mostly civilian targets)... Oh yeah... And sticks and stones...

[pimpchichi]

you will be pleased to learn.. that our absent resident new-yorker (silentbutdeadly) escaped any harm in the catastrophe

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>George Bush Sr.. March 6th 1991:
Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

an e-mail forwarded to me today from a concerned party...

".....New One World Order:

The World Trade Centers represent the Old World, nation based, Greed&Profit driven, capitalist "trade center".

They, both of them, have been destroyed. Those that will rule the New, have destroyed their own old vehicle, both symbolically AND literally, as the U.S. economy, specifically it's currency, has just been death blown.

The flaming flyers, or Phoenix(s), have risen and coming from East to West, full of fossil fuels (another symbol of the old), and turned upon their master's old home, in preparation for the master's new home.

The Pentagon (ancient five sided symbol of the old) has been turned upon by the Phoenix as well. It is said, not even the most sophisticated technology, not even the height of "intelligence" and "surveillence", not even your NSA nor your CIA, not the USAF, NO ONE will stop the Beast that pulls their strings. When the Dark Prince says to do, no earthly power can say "no". The Pentagon symbolizes the false hope you have placed in your earth governments/military/intelligence. They are nothing compared to the hand that controls them. Learn this the master of all Beasts says to you. Do you hear?

Most of you do not, you hear the emotional turmoil meant for the common man to be dealing with as his stability is ripped from under him, searching for the enemy without to blame, when the enemy is within.

As some small example, your leader, Bush, was in Florida when the Phoenix(s) struck. This is the State that the election was stolen away and given to Bush in, by the Powers that Be. Bush shall be president, I told you long ago. Bush it was, no matter how incredible an event had to transpire to hand it to him (really handed to his father, again, and right hand man Cheney). Gore is no better, but the election was not stolen from him, but from the People who have a right to decide what corrupt idiot runs the show. The headlines read yesterday, lest you forget, that "Bush pushes EDUCATION policy agenda..." in Florida speaking at a school. What have we learned today, class? That bouncing IRS rebate checks being drawn from "locked box" Social Security funds is not big news? That the IRS is not Constitutional to begin with, and that the Federal Reserve Corporation Banking Scam is sucking the very currency from the system, making "economic downturn" occur as if by natural evolution? That we were, yesterday at least, and the EDGE of economic damnation, and now who knows but we could very well be speeding to a crash and burn at the bottom of a cliff created in 1933 in the wake of the last "Great Depression"? That was when the Federal Reserve Banking Scam became realized, in the midst of distracting events of practical concern to all Americans and the world. "We are so depressed" many said, "this Federal Reserve Corporate Bank is certainly not going to make things worse, it will make things better, let's try it!". The IRS was created, and unconstitutional Federal taxation begun, the very thing the Founding fathers sought to prevent, centralized power solidfying in the form of a over-powerful Federal Government, and really in hands not even controlled by the Feds, the "FED RES CORPORATION"... that in all ways, except the obvious, resembles the monarchy we sought to disconnect ourselves, politically at least, from in England. Today royalty is banks. Most of us have not learned these things from past classes because of our arrogant mental attitudes in our little comfy places in life and our "spiritual" quest to save the world... we have denied the obvious ways we can make a difference, by not being in denial, by not being victims of ignorance. Now our New Depression is upon us, and though the dust has yet to settle and many have not even at this late hour realized the predicament we are in, their will be, as I have told you before very recently even, a New Depression and a NEW SOLUTION. And many of you, even after reading this, will buy into it. You will be the new victims of an old game. No, the "education" that is going on today has nothing to do with Bush's political agenda, and everything to do with all the emotions and thoughts and total lack of world/cosmic view YOU and most people in the U.S. possess...
it has you so searching for answers, so emotionally moved by the devastating tragedy! still unfolding before your eyes, that you will certainly, most of you, look right past the real lessons here today. I, and not too many of my collegues, have been dealing with this tragedy for years now. You just woke up to it, and still in your shock look to Ben Laden or wherever you are told to look for "answers" and "recourse" and to place your pathetically under-informed blame game on, just as you prayed for Timothy McViegh's soul thinking you were forgiving him for basically alone blowing up the Ok. City Federal Building. You still have not a clue about that event, how much less are you prepared now? What socio-political-religious world view explains this one to you? Palestinian terrorism? It's easy to reach for, hard to hang on to something so slippery it won't hold water at all.

It's time you poeple starting thinking "outside the sphere".
Thinking outside the box will do no good if you think the box is the problem.

There is a good chance that further events are about to transpire that will further throw this nation into martial law and a state of emergency.

Behold, a pale horse, and with him rides death.

My wife told me that "well, all those skeptics are going to stop laughing now, aren't they?...". I said no. Most of them will only laugh harder and ridicule me more... it's all too human and I forgive you all before hand....."

[pimpchichi]

yes.. it's an 'epic'... but it made a more thought provoking read than the chest-thumping jingoist crap i saw in all the tabloids today....

[Nauseous]

My turn!!!!

First off, let me stress how fucking proud I am to be an American!!!

Now, I'm pretty ignorant about what has been going on for thousands of years in a country that I don't reside in. I don't take any credit/slack for what our elected officials do... I'm not even registered to vote! I can however understand the US wanting to help Isreal. Don't they just want to keep their land and religion? What the fuck is wrong with helping them out? What's wrong with letting them preserve their history?(Jerusalem and Bethlehem)... After all, it IS their land, and they don't have much of it. The strife in the Middle East is not because the Palestianians don't have a homeland. (Poor fuckers) The strife is because of the centuries-old hatred Arabic people have for the Jews. I don't understand why these stupid fucks actually expect Isreal to grant them civil rights when all they are out to do is to destroy them anyway. The Palistinians have not proven worthy of being granted civil rights by the Isrealis. They're fuckin' bastards. If they want land to call their own, they can go to Saudi Arabia. images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

Now they want to fuck with the United States.

It really strikes home when only a few hours away, all this shit went down.

I witnessed second/third-hand...people jumping out of the 80th floor of a building burning out of control... people clinging to a building falling dozens of stories to the ground... people with their flesh burnt off of their bodies... people trapped under debris... and that was just the WTC!! Flight attendants were gutted and the planes taken over by a bunch of fuckin' idiots who learned to fly the damn plane... WHERE???? Right here in the United States!!! How fucked up is that? We give the pieces of shit a place to live and opportunities that they don't have in their own shitbag country and what do they do? They fuckin' kill us!!! Way to go, dumbasses!

And just to show their stupidity, they crash into the wrong side of the Pentagon. If they really wanted to fuck up the big shots, they would have aimed for the other side of the damn building!!

I'm pretty pissed about the whole damn thing. I'm also really pissed about the responses from this forum. I expect this shit from half of you. Half of you will fuckin' argue just for the sake of arguing. What's funny is the fact that people posting aren't even from the UNITED STATES!! It's not your country on fire... if these were your children, you'd be singing a different tune. Innocent until proven guilty? Fuck you!!! You have to be even more of an idiot than I thought you were to say something so fuckin' half-assed. This wasn't an inside job. It doesn't take a fuckin' rocket scientist to figure out who was responsible. And Lomo and Disorder (by the way, you're a fuckin' cunt, Disorder)... to imply that we deserve this for sticking our nose where it doesn't belong is just fuckin' wrong. Do you think the average everyday ignorant American has anything to do with what goes on so fuckin' far away?!? Just because we live here, we deserve to die for what is or is not right? Bullshit! I hope you get drafted!! images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

I think I'm finished. images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nauseous ]

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
an e-mail forwarded to me today from a concerned party...
".....New One World Order:Blah, blah, blah... Epic... Blah, blah, blah... it's all too human and I forgive you all before hand....."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I thought it was a crock of shit...

Especially this;

"Most of you do not, you hear the emotional turmoil meant for the common man to be dealing with as his stability is ripped from under him, searching for the enemy without to blame, when the enemy is within"

What the fucks that meant to mean?

I'm sorry but whoever wrote that is talking codswallop! It's nothing better than ridicule images/smiles/icon_mad.gif.

Well through my bigoted eyes anyway.

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: PinkorBrown69 ]

[pimpchichi]

it means spooky... there has been a catastrophe.. people are upset, emotional, in turmoil..
they are looking for someone to blame.. so they blame the people who have been in the news lately... the arabs.. (enemy without)
when they should be looking for perpetrators in the american system... (enemy within)

i bet you read a few papers today, watched a few news reports.. so did i.. but i like to form my own opinions...

ever heard the phrase "when i want your opinion. i'll give it to you."

[Nursey]

-Before even finishing reading that fucking guff i'd like to point out that there are differant types of arab who live in perfect harmony- MUSLIMArabs...CHRISTIAN Arabs...and....JEWISH Arabs....
I would never have said it before,but i actually gave you credit for having some intelligence before i saw this,Nauseous!

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[pimpchichi]

and yes i agree nauseous, it was tragic, and horrific... a senseless waste of life.. and you are understandably angry..

you want the military to blast the shit out of the arabs...

thats exactly what they want you to be... angry.. wanting revenge..

i watched bush's speeches yesterday.. and i saw all the tools of propaganda at work, the children behind him as he made his first speech.. the wording of his second speech.. even down to the colour of tie... congress getting together to sing america the brave or whatever it was

all documented ploys...

don't think nauseous.. your government doesn't like that

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nauseous:
And just to show their stupidity, they crash into the wrong side of the Pentagon. If they really wanted to fuck up the big shots, they would have aimed for the other side of the damn building!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

funny that.. they score a direct hit on the WTC (civilians are expendable)
but hit a damn near deserted part of the pentagon (don't kill the top brass!!)

[Nauseous]

Hey Nursey... I'm never claimed to be knowledgable about the brown-race, now did I?

And Pimp, I don't want us to go blasting the fuckers off the face of the earth. that wouldn't be right either. Yes, I'm pissed. It pisses me off to see them stomping on my country's flag. I don't want the children to die. After all, they are only learning what they are taught. I don't believe in war. I hate the thought of it actually. I'm not afraid to die. I just think it's a waste to die for somthing that you had no part in.

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:

when they should be looking for perpetrators in the american system... (enemy within)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Like I say... Ridicule!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
i bet you read a few papers today, watched a few news reports...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I very rarely read newspapers. And today was no exception.
As you know I did see some T.V coverage.
But for christ sake stop going on about 'propaganda'. Those fucking planes crashing into the buildings wasn't propaganda!
So if Bush and Co. want gather round their children and famlies and sing a big Fuck You to the 'Enemy', then good on them.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
ever heard the phrase "when i want your opinion. i'll give it to you." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now who's narrow minded?

[PinkorBrown69]

And Just for the record in case anyone feels we British don't have a right to a say. Just remember we were fighting these fuckers before America was even found... images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[pimpchichi]

"when i want your opinion i'll give it to you" is a comment on the use of media to form popular opinion...

[Nursey]

And while your horror and shock is understandable , unfortunately that is exactly what america has been doing to other countries (countries with nothing in terms of wealth and power compared to america).. so that just as you feel anger and veangefulness whoever has done it to america has gone through the same experience.
America must expect some repurcussions for the mass death and horror it has been dishing out for some time.
...If you rule by the sword, you die by the sword...
If I was blown up by an IRA bomb, although I wouldn't personally like it....I would tend to blame the government because I dont approve of their policies in N.Ireland but at the end of the day I choose to live in this country despite that and would be a bit philosophical about it...in other words it wouldn't fill me with hatred and veangance for the perpetrators-more for the vested interest and rulers who made it like this by their selfish and wicked attitudes.
Nobody dies for a cause lightly for christs sake - it's a last desperate measure - it's a measure of their experience!
And it's not anything to do with religion either-that's just a smoke screen put up by the thugs in power.
Unfortunately in america, as in any war, its only the innocents who suffer such as the poor old new york firefighters working for a lousy pay no doubt and not the bastards in power who deserve it as it is their policies who have caused it.

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey:
Nobody dies for a cause lightly for christ's sake - it's a last desperate measure - <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless a 'religiose fanatic'.
Then they die willingly, with supposed glory and praise from Allah. Blinded by belief. images/smiles/icon_sad.gif

[-po0p]

i know that what im about to say will make me a horrible person and that i will definatly go to hell but

its a good thing this has happened. our us government has given us a false sense that we are safe. clearly we are not. its an eye opener that the almighty u.s. is invulnerable to attack.

not only that but at least we dont have to listen to all the gary condit bullshit thats on everyday. and im kinda hoping for another happening of this nature cause im getting bored of this incident.

its sad nothing seems to keep me entertained anymore

[Lomotil]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nauseous:
And Lomo and Disorder (by the way, you're a fuckin' cunt, Disorder)... to imply that we deserve this for sticking our nose where it doesn't belong is just fuckin' wrong. Do you think the average everyday ignorant American has anything to do with what goes on so fuckin' far away?!? Just because we live here, we deserve to die for what is or is not right? Bullshit! I hope you get drafted!! images/smiles/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/squint.gif I never said anyone deserved it. http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/squint.gif What I said was that I'm surprised that this sort of thing wasn't anticipated earlier. Don't label me as an inconsiderate asshole or a non-patriot. Make no bones about it, I'm well aware that something terrible happened Tuesday. Propaganda exists to rally the people and gain support for action. Support of the people is what's needed for a country to go to war. I like to form my own opinions about events, too... Looking back in history, there have been times before where the government has misled us, misinformed us, and brainwashed us. You can't deny that things like this take place. Did they make you read [i]1984[/] in high school? I can't help but think about this book with the events of late...

Now, on to a theory I've been entertaining for a while... It is not beyond the realm of possibility for this whole 'point the finger' ordeal to be an elaborate hoax. Yes, I said it. Has anyone considered that someone else, whom regard Palistinians, or whomever, for that matter, as enemies might be behind all of this?

Think about it for a moment. Let's pick the most recognizable figure as an example. Suppose Saddam Hussein wanted to stage an 'incident' that would eliminate his enemies in another country. If something like this were to occur, and 'evidence' was carefully placed to point the finger, it's likely that we could be misled to destroy a country that had nothing to do with the WTC. I'm no expert, but from what I've gathered, Hussein and bin Laden aren't exactly friends. They may both see us as a common enemy, but I doubt they meet for tea ever.

Also consider China. For a long time, I've thought China would start the next world war. I still consider it. What if China set this whole thing up? What if we're just being tested? Are we being set up for a more serious attack?

Think about the car found in the Massachusetts airport. In the elaborately planned operation that went off Tuesday morning, do you really think a detail such as leaving the Arabic pilot handbook in the car would have happened? It sounds like planted evidence to me.

I'm not saying that I stand by these theories, but I wouldn't rule them out just yet. Something to consider, at the very least.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quoteNow, I'm pretty ignorant about what has been going on for thousands of years in a country that I don't reside in. I don't take any credit/slack for what our elected officials do... I'm not even registered to vote!

Ditto on all counts.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quoteAnd just to show their stupidity, they crash into the wrong side of the Pentagon. If they really wanted to fuck up the big shots, they would have aimed for the other side of the damn building!!

I've heard today that they believe this plane was headed for the White House originally.

If anyone wants to download clips of the second plane crash, either of the WTC buildings collapsing, and stills of the events (including the Pentagon), try this site: http://www.thehourly.com/wtc/

The clips are between 10 and 15 megs each, and are clear enough to watch fullscreen.

Oh, and Nauseous... I doubt I'll be drafted, but if I were, I wouldn't run for the border. http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/squintfinger.gif

[Stranger]

I had been entertaining the 3rd party theory myself, and Soddam had crossed my mind, when I decided my view was not informed enough to formulat it any further. Unfortunately I have to admit my rose coloured glasses have protected me from the horrors of what has been going on outside my own little world. If anything good (?) has come from this it is that they have now been ripped from my face and from those of thousands the world over.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey:
Time for all the ordinary decent people of the world to unite...
[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Nursey ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And do what?
Sing songs of peace, pray for them, send them nasty emails, throw sticks and rocks at them, or form our own army and teach the bastards a lesson?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated cos so far all my research has taught me is that it is a fucked up world we live in and there is jack shyt I can do about it.

Now where did those glasses land?

[Disorder]

i'm sorry you're so mad nauseous, i am truly shocked at what has happened, but like nursey said, its been going on for ages, it just hasnt been _this big_ before..

and like lomo said, this could all be a setup...

'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Disorder ]

[Nursey]

time for all the decent ppl to etc....
jesus fucking christ!~did i REALLY say that!!!?!SNORTS SOME AMPHETAMINES.

[Nursey]

ALL BETTER NOW images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[Dwaine Scum]

little children grow up to be full on adult terrorists.. I say kill them all . Islam and Muslam law is a parasite of hate leeching on to the world...


P.S. I gave blood twice.... did you?

[Nauseous]

I've been so 'fucking hostile' lately.

I'm sorry. images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

You know, I was smoking a cigarette on my front porch last night, watching the cars go by and I finally realized or maybe just re-realized that although I have a general hatred and contempt for people, inevitably, we are all in the same boat. We are all going to die sometime... somehow. I thought about the hillside across the street being blown up and all the people outside including myself being thrown into circumstance. The fat guy I was making fun just a few seconds earlier may have been the one to save my pathetic life!

I remember hearing on the news that people who wouldn't ordinarily get along were helping each other. And you know, that would only happen in a crisis. In a fucked up way, terrorism brings a nation together!

Now why is it that my house has been the source of it's own brand of terrorism? A dead bunny was laying by my porch on the 10th and on the 11th, my friend's car had been tampered with... sending it crashing into the back of mine! It appears someone or something is out to get me, huh?

Why the fuck am I sharing this with you? I don't know. Maybe it's been a while since I was the brunt of a joke? images/smiles/icon_redface.gif

[Disorder]

s'not your fault, probably mine.. i get a little crazy now and again

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nursey Filthy Arab Scum:
SNORTS SOME AMPHETAMINES.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that better not be my speed you're sticking up your nose... 'cos if so that means you've been searching, 'cos i hid it well images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
'cos if so that means you've been searching images/smiles/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or of course, you might have innocently changed the battery in my camera

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
in my camera<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[pimpchichi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nauseous:
It appears someone or something is out to get me, huh?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

everybody's out to get you pukey, trust no-one.. that rabbit probably contained a miniature spy camera...

[Silent But Deadly]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PimpDaddy v2.01beta:
you will be pleased to learn.. that our absent resident new-yorker (silentbutdeadly) escaped any harm in the catastrophe<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers mate...
well well im back around been laid off and dealing with shit here in my swet home NYC.

if you want the real up close and personal go here (http://www.thunderbomb.com)
and look around for the pics of the WTC. enjoy.

[Nursey]

Hi SBD!!! images/smiles/icon_redface.gif
Just one thing (amongst many others):
"I have no idea why people aren't asking some very specific questions about the actions of Bush and company on the day of the attacks.

Follow along:
Four planes get hijacked and deviate from their flight plans, all the while on FAA radar. The planes are all hijacked between 7:45 and 8:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time.

Who is notified?
This is an event already that is unprecedented. But the President is not notified and going to a Florida elementary school to hear children read.

By around 8:15 AM, it should be very apparent that something is terribly wrong. The President is glad-handing teachers.

By 8:45, when American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the World Trade Center, Bush is settling in with children for his photo ops at Booker Elementary. Four planes have obviously been hijacked simultaneously, an event never before seen in history, and one has just dived into the worlds best know twin towers, and still no one notifies the nominal Commander in Chief.

No one has apparently scrambled any Air Force interceptors either.

At 9:03, United Flight 175 crashes into the remaining World Trade Center building. At

9:05, Andrew Card, the Presidential Chief of Staff whispers to George W. Bush. Bush "briefly turns somber" according to reporters.
Does he cancel the school visit and convene an emergency meeting? No.
He resumes listening to second graders read about a little girl's pet fucking goat, and continues this banality even as American Airlines Flight 77 conducts an unscheduled point turn over Ohio and heads in the direction of Washington DC.
Has he instructed Chief of Staff Card to scramble the Air Force? No.

An excruciating 25 minutes later, he finally deigns to give a public statement telling the United States what they already have figured out; that there's been an attack by hijacked planes on the World Trade Center.
There's a hijacked plane bee-lining to Washington, but has the Air Force been scrambled to defend anything yet? No.

At 9:30, when he makes his announcement, American Flight 77 is still ten minutes from its target, the Pentagon.

The Administration will later claim they had no way of knowing that the Pentagon might be a target, and that they thought Flight 77 was headed to the White House, but the fact is that the plane has already flown South and past the White House no-fly zone, and is in fact tearing through the sky at over 400 nauts.

At 9:35, this plane conducts another turn, 360 degrees over the Pentagon, all the while being tracked by radar, and the Pentagon is not evacuated, and there are still no fast-movers from the Air Force in the sky over Alexandria and DC.

Now, the real kicker: A pilot they want us to believe was trained at a Florida puddle-jumper school for Piper Cubs and Cessnas, conducts a well-controlled downward spiral, descending the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes, brings the plane in so low and flat that it clips the electrical wires across the street from the Pentagon, and flies it with pinpoint accuracy into the side of this building at 460 nauts.

When the theory about learning to fly this well at the puddle-jumper school began to lose ground, it was added that they received further training on a flight simulator.
This is like saying you prepared your teenager for her first drive on I-40 at rush hour by buying her a video driving game. It's horse shit!"
images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Lomotil]

Am I the only one halfway expecting another 'event' soon? It would not surprise me in the least to hear about "suitcase" nuclear bombs going off in key cities of the US (Namely Washington, DC) sometime in the near future... images/smiles/icon_sad.gif

Hell, they can convince people to drive planes into buildings, what's to stop them from going kamikaze with a nuke?

[Disorder]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Rev:
Hell, they can convince people to drive planes into buildings, what's to stop them from going kamikaze with a nuke?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

they may not even have a nuke, perhaps several small explosions in key areas. atomic...maybe, nuclear...very possible, seeing as the whole afghan/pakistan/india thing is a load of shit anyway we could have the whole of south east asia to deal with..apparently there have been 400 afghans that were living in this country(UK) and have fled to go home and fight against us.. its gonna get crazy soon... and we dont have that many kamikazi english nutters here as they have kamikazi afghani nutters here..

about 50-100 thousand troops, 85%+ of which are already there. with the other 15% leaving now, thats like no defence.. i dont know what the situation of defence is with the US at the mo, but we sure as hell keep some back..

[Lomotil]

I would think it's fairly easy to smuggle goods into the US, including nuclear weapons. If you think about it, a large Samsonite could probably carry a bomb large enough to level DC... Chances are, they smuggled all the goods over here *before* the WTC event, as I'm sure they'd suspect borders to be a little more alert afterwards...

It also fits in with a possible theory of mine...

First, they hit the center of commerce...

Second, attempt to disrupt the media and instill fear into the citizens...

Um... next? How about a more direct hit on both the heart of the government itself, and while we're at it, let's see if we can destroy some icons of western civilization as well (monuments in the DC area)...

Isn't it logical that any attacker would want to disable it's target before going in for the kill? I honestly don't think most of the people over here would know what the fuck to do if all of a sudden their national government disappeared... If it comes to that, I'm going to draw a chalk line around my property and shoot anyone that crosses the line. (Except maybe the pizza delivery guy...)

At any rate, if I were in charge, I don't think I'd hesitate to move the heart of the government out to subterranean locales in Area 51, and shoot down anyone that comes too close.

Believe me, I've pondered as to how life would be if we got a 'fresh start' all of a sudden (sans politicians)... no more taxes, no more laws... face it, we'd have killers running loose on the streets, drugs all over the place, weapons being bought and sold freely, prostitution would be widespread, and organized crime would rule the country. Doesn't look like much would change... images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Nursey]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE...no!...I'm not saying anything images/smiles/icon_redface.gif
*cough*INSIDE JOB!!INSIDE JOB!! (http://www.fugly.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001497)*cough*

[PinkorBrown69]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Disorder:
atomic...maybe, nuclear...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you'll find atomic bombs work by nuclear fission. Urainium-235 and plutonium-239 are the isotopes most commonly used.